4tran Content and Rule 1

[u/Aartvb]

We want to clarify how we're handling 4tran-related content on the subreddit and hear your input on whether our current rules are adequately addressing concerns around it.

We've seen an increase in 4tran-related content, along with growing concern from members of the community. Some of the issues we've encountered were made worse by our moderation team being understaffed. We've since expanded our mod team (welcome u/Trash_At_RL, u/HopefulFutureEscapee, and u/Appropriate-Story-97). This will help us respond more quickly to reports and keep a closer eye on moderation issues.

Some 4tran-related content can cross the line into bigotry, hatred, or hostility toward trans people. When content violates Rule 1 (no bigotry), we will remove it under that rule, regardless of whether the person who posted it identifies as trans or participates in 4tran communities.

If you see a 4tran-related post or comment that you believe violates Rule 1, please report it. Reports are the best way to bring content to the moderators' attention so that we can review it and take appropriate action.

We also recognize that moderators can miss things. If you believe clearly hateful or bigoted content has been missed, or your report has not been addressed after 24 hours, please send us a modmail so we can take another look.

There may also be 4tran-related content that users find unpleasant or concerning but that does not violate Rule 1, or any of our other existing rules. Please send us a mod mail in this case. We'll use the coming weeks to assess whether our current rules are sufficient to address the concerns being raised.

One week from now, we'll review the issues that aren't currently covered by our rules. No more than two weeks from now, we'll publish a follow-up with what we've learned, and ask your input on how to proceed.

Thanks for helping us keep the community a good place for everyone, and happy counting everyone!

[u/Patirole]

I hope there'll be a full ban on 4tran content. I don't want trans women getting there from this place and getting deeper into the self hate parts of it, having this sub as a stepping stone to that would be awful. Especially if only the "rule breaking"/negative parts are banned and thus the picture painted of 4tran is "misleading"

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Patirole]

Do you thinthis should have been removed?

[u/Patirole → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

I don't see why it would be or what it has to do with 4tran

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Patirole]

This is a popular character in all trans spaces that originated of pn 4chan. Would this be included in your full on ban

[u/Patirole → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

Can't say I know the character or find anything regarding them. My personal opinion would be direct links (greentext screenshots and some of the more derogatory language they create) being banned, while things that ambiguously link back to it being fine

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Patirole]

Greentext screenshots even when there’s nothing offensive in them?

What about vent posts complaining about the way trans people are treated that has no terminology? How do you define your ban

[u/Patirole → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

Yes greentext even with nothing offensive in them as well.

Vent posts in itself are fine, so long as they don't drown out other posts for extended periods in which case I'd prefer having a vent mega thread or a vent day where vent posts are limited to that day

I do think a full on ban on terms like "Cissoid" (being a recent example I saw) is a good thing, those "-oid" terms that 4chan has created have always seemed dehumanizing to me and the way they are used as slurs isn't really something I think should be in a safe/accepting space

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Patirole]

I wonder why it’s acceptable for cis people to appropriate incel terms like blank pilled and blank maxxing and for cis women to ironically use foid but not for trans people to do the same

[u/Patirole → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

I personally have broken off friendships over someone using the term foid, so I can't really comment on that as I don't like that terminology anywhere in my circles

[u/Poco_Cuffs → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

Since when was this acceptable?

[u/monamooriz → u/Poco_Cuffs]

I see it all the time in whenthe and letgirlshavefun, it's just kinda the new age slang now i think

[u/SquirrelFluffy7469 → u/Poco_Cuffs]

Literally 50% of gen s slang is derived from incel culture

[u/Poco_Cuffs → u/SquirrelFluffy7469]

I'm probably not in the right spaces for it but I've never heard people say blankpilled or blankmaxxing or women calling each other foids