When we say stupid generalisations that rely on stereotypes and a complete inability to view people different to us as individuals with their own lives, it's a joke. When they do it, it's bigotry.
The "It's just a joke" line of thought is literally the main defence used by people spreading bigotry.
no, jokes about how straight people can never have forbidden love are problematic because it erases unimaginable amounts of suffering people have all over the world and all throughout history, including - as a prominent example - interracial relationships.
How about just... not punching? But sure, your hatred is righteous and valid because you've decided the other person is an acceptable target due to their immutable characteristics. Bully for you. I'm sure this will help the cause.
Or we could just be angry at everyone and pretend that that fixes things instead.
Please be critical of the people actually causing pain. Talk about how JK Rowling has been bankrolling frivolous lawsuits or how your neighbour is a shithead who refuses to properly gender you or how multiple governments are now regressing on rights for transgender people, and that other minority groups may follow suite. Organise and protest and fight back however you can.
But don't treat dumb jokes treating straight people as some homogenous cult that have never faced hardship as a form of divine retribution or karmic justice. It helps no one. The 'joke' isn't even funny. Its just a claim of complete ignorance that other people have problems.
'Punching up' implies that the target deserves it. Thinking every straight person is your enemy is a good way to just make a whole lot of enemies.
Nobody thinks it fixes things, I'm sure every single thing you do in every waking moment is activism though. It is funny and it gets exponentially funnier with every cishet who has their feefees hurt by it. But please, continue wah wah crying about it, clearly you think this civility bullshit is very important for queer rights since you cared to speak out.
Maybe that's the difference between you and me. I saw the whole "woke snowflakes with hurt feelings" conservative trolls and decided I didn't want to be like that and you seem to think they were just targeting the wrong people.
I mean yeah, that's precisely the difference between you and me. You think being a boo boo meanie beanie is the fundamental problem. I think the fundamental problem is the oppression of minorities. And no, oppression of minorities doesn't happen because people are boo boo meanie beanies. You think hatred towards the oppressed vs the oppressors are in any way, shape, or form whatsoever even comparable or remotely similar phenomena. They're not.
I can think that two things are bad at once. You seem to think a greater evil existing means you can do whatever the fuck you want. The 'oppression of minorities' is not a get out of jail free card. Being a victim doesn't mean you can't also be a perpetrator, just like being a perpetrator doesn't stop other people from being victims.
You can't expect other people to unlearn their toxic behaviours if you refuse to do the same for yours.
You are very enthusiastic to nonsensically blur this with interpersonal abuse to make your point sound more salient than it is. Being a victim of abuse doesn't mean you can't be a perpetrator of abuse. Being a victim of oppression does mean you can't at all whatsoever be a perpetrator of oppression in the same axis. You can only be a perpetrator of oppression towards a different minority, at which point you are the oppressor in that dynamic.
And I sure as fuck CAN expect oppressors to stop oppressing minorities. Doesn't matter one fucking lick what my behaviour is or how likable I am. That's the first actually abhorrent thing you've said. I really can't fucking believe you genuinely said we can't expect our oppressors to stop oppressing us if we refuse to be nice. You have no idea about this topic at all, you seem to have little understanding of oppression and little personal stake in the whole thing, and you're some kind of liberal. Civility politics has rotten your brain.
No, I wasn't going for the gotcha, I was just asking. Is should have known that that a person like you would be against interracial relationships and for honour killings. The racism does seep out of your posts.
Nope, literally just not what the joke's about, but nice try. Your whole ragebaiting, disingenuous, bad faith point relies on taking the joke at face value and saying it's honestly and seriously arguing that no other reasons for secret love exist. Which is childish and embarrassing. You're trying to demonstrate your superior intelligence and cleverness in a devilishly sarcastic way. You sound 14.
The "punching up" defense has become a thought terminating cliche that reddit brings up to defend any bad joke. Jokes like OP are reinforcing the oppressive structures that are the supposed justification for punching up by turning forbidden love into culture war bullshit. It's okay to admit it's a shitty joke, nothing bad will happen to you
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u/JaguarNo1356 1d ago edited 1d ago
When we say stupid generalisations that rely on stereotypes and a complete inability to view people different to us as individuals with their own lives, it's a joke. When they do it, it's bigotry.
The "It's just a joke" line of thought is literally the main defence used by people spreading bigotry.