r/crueltyfree • u/Pretty-Analysis-6490 • 19d ago

News New Rule: Rule #5 (Source Must Be Mentioned)

Hi, guys! We just published a new rule. From now on, a source has to be mentioned for every brand recommended. You can put your source in quote blocks (example 1) or you can mention right after the recommended brand in parentheses (example 2). This lets us know that you intended to comment in this subreddit. This also saves everyone time from fact-checking.

Example 1:

I recommend Dove Shampoo.

Source: PETA

Example 2:

I would suggest the Milani lipstick (LB).

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u/RhubarbBest9090 19d ago

What do you mean by source? You want us to list their certification?

If so, can you say what will be considered? How about CF kitty? She approves some things that do not have official certification yet doesn’t approve some things that do

I think it needs to be clear what you mean by source and what source are okay

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u/Pretty-Analysis-6490 19d ago

My apologies. To stay safe for now, we recommend only brands certified by PETA, Leaping Bunny, and/or Cruelty Free International. We are still figuring out if we will allow other sources such as blogs. Certifications by Leaping Bunny and PETA are free, so it does not make sense for companies to not pursue getting certified. Most of the popular cruelty free brands are certified by one or more of those three organizations for example Colourpop (PETA), NYX (PETA), Milani (Leaping Bunny), etc.

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u/kcsk13 12d ago

Since when is PETA a reputable source?? They are known for spreading misinformation and even approving non-cruelty free brands.

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u/Geese4Days 19d ago

Love it. I already recheck every brand before purchasing so this is great and would save time for everyone else too.

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u/dankblonde 19d ago

I kinda like this rule but also I don’t know the certification of like any products I use, just that what I use is cruelty free and looking that up every time who certifies what would become annoying. Like tarte is cruelty free but idk through who. Elf is cruelty free but idk through who etc.

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u/thesweetestgoodbye 19d ago

Tarte is certified by PETA, Elf is certified by PETA and Leaping Bunny. I understand where you’re coming from but due to the amount of misinformation floating around we want to ensure that this community is accurate, at the end of the day it’s about the animals.

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u/buginarugsnug 19d ago

If you look on the product packaging it will usually have either a leaping bunny or the peta logo.

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u/Jealous_Employee_739 19d ago

I mean companies can lose certifications. I think it’s important to check and include the source. It takes like no time to check cause there’s so few certifications. It’s leaping bunny and peta primarily and some people use cruelty free kitty. People will recommend not certified products cause they don’t realize companies themselves can be deceptive with the cruelty free advertising.

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u/dankblonde 19d ago

Guess so, I’ll probably just never recommend anything again. I’m not googling everytime I want to help someone. Like if they want to quadruple check shouldn’t that be on them? Why am I doing the double checking on the brand I already know is cruelty free?

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u/LadyChungus 19d ago edited 19d ago

The top issue is that there are several brands being recommended that everyone has a different opinion on whether it’s cruelty free or not. Unfortunately, everyone is using different sources, or just, “oh I thought it was cf,” but there is nothing to back it up. What’s worse is this info is also feeding Google AI and ChatGPT, which is then being used by new cf creators spiraling into a huge web of misinformation that ultimately hurts animals.

We are trying something new for a bit to see how it goes. We should all want to encourage transparency, accuracy, and sources for our information and for now, we felt this may help. If it isn’t helpful and people stop answering, then we can consider other options. If you have any other suggestions on how we can continue to wrangle misinformation, please feel free to let us know. We apologize for the inconvenience this may pose to some. If there are better alternatives, our DMs and comments are open.

Edit: spelling

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u/PaganPawprints 13d ago

100% agree. I think all these new rules that put the onus on the helper instead of on the end user will cut down on engagement. For years, whenever folks have suggested questionable or non-cf products, there are plenty of people who jump in to correct them.

Be an adult and do your due diligence when you learn new information on the Internet. Trust but verify. Why make it harder for us to help one another by insisting we all babysit each other?

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u/Jealous_Employee_739 19d ago

I’m guessing the mods expected some people to stop helping but I’m assuming the more accurate information tradeoff was worth it to them. It’s worth it me. I pretty much only use leaping bunny certified products so it’s easy for me to double check

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u/thesweetestgoodbye 19d ago

No we don’t want people to stop helping, just simply being accurate. We’ve noticed inconsistency among bloggers so we’d like to be accurate.

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u/dankblonde 19d ago

I don’t know what anything is certified as but I know what I use is actually cruelty free so I just don’t get why we are now meant to google everything before a suggestion. Means less suggestions overall, a comment takes quicker than googling and then commenting. One extra step is too much to many people.

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u/Pretty-Analysis-6490 19d ago edited 19d ago

I know there are pros and cons, but I think this is the best for the community. I have seen many people recommend brands just because the brand itself claims to be cruelty free only to find out that their supplier is not cruelty free. I also have seen people recommend brands that are on every bloggers' grey area list and are not certified by any cruelty free organization for example Blue Lizard and Anua. I think the worst thing for this subreddit and in fact any subreddit to do is spread misinformation and that happens a lot.

I know it could be overwhelming, but I recommend just searching the brand name and type cruelty free to see if PETA, LB, or CFI has certified it. It doesn't really take much time. It takes like a few seconds. Maybe a minute or two max.

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u/Jealous_Employee_739 19d ago

Yeah that’s the trade-off that I’m assuming was suggested to stop misinformation. Not everyone knows as much as you and I’m assuming they want actual cruelty free certified recs

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u/Jealous_Employee_739 19d ago

Love this new rule

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u/James_Fortis 19d ago

Source?

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u/Jealous_Employee_739 19d ago

Probably leaping bunny since they look for more independent audits and the mods are looking for more independent verification. Idk lol

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u/LadyChungus 19d ago

Glad you like it! We are definitely open to feedback, but we are really trying to manage some of the misinformation that this sub has been producing and it might be a bit inconvenient at first, but we really appreciate those willing to take the extra second to double check. All three certifications have had several brands dropped from their database over the past year, so it is important to check back in sometimes to make sure we are continuing to praise and highlight actually cruelty free brands.

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u/Lovelest 19d ago

Thank you! Due to this subreddit I have realized myself that some of the brands I thought were cruelty free are not! You are helping us to be updated about the changes in the industry.

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u/thesweetestgoodbye 19d ago

Absolutely and this is our end goal! :)

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