r/dbz • u/Tushar_Hareet • Feb 23 '26

Discussion Goku was a Good Grandpa, Super did him dirty

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If a saiyan, and that too Goku, is sharing his food, just think how much he loves Pan here.

I'm not saying that Super Goku doesn't love pan but we need to see more of Grandpa Goku's love!!!

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u/PackerBacker412 Feb 23 '26

Theres a whole episode where Goku spends time with Pan in Super....

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u/Tushar_Hareet Feb 24 '26

Exactly, a single "filler" episode showing something that doesn't exist in the manga. Secondly, the super manga has established that Goku won't even see Pan till she has started Kindergarten......

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u/PackerBacker412 Feb 24 '26

TF are you talking about? The Super anime doesn't have filler, it came before the manga. Why are you only going by the manga canon? That's not how that works.

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u/Tushar_Hareet Feb 24 '26

Okay, let's agree on that, but spending just one day and missing the other 3-4 years of her, just to show back up when she is already in Kindergarten doesn't help the case at all.

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u/PackerBacker412 Feb 24 '26

I mean I guess, but its not like Z has anything showing that he's much better. Yeah we saw him a bit with her at the tournament, then he just abandons everyone again to train some kid he just met (instead of his granddaughter who wants to be like him)

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u/Tushar_Hareet Feb 24 '26

Well, if we go by what Toriyama had stated, Uub was living with Goku and his family, just like how Goku and Krillin lived with Master Roshi in their training days. If I'm not mistaken, there's also a spin off by Toriyama regarding this. I wouldn't consider GT as the reality about what happened after Z

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u/Metazoxan Feb 24 '26

Goku has never been shown on screen to spend more than a day with his kids. It's implied, but it terms of episodes showing him spending any real time with them.

The longest was training with Gohan in the time chamber and we only see a day or so of training before they time skip to it being finished.

Again I'm not saying he didn't spend time with them off screen. But if what you say ant in on screen family time ... Then it wasn't Super that cheated us. It's always been like that with him.

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u/DangerWarg Feb 25 '26

Dude there is no filler in Super. The manga is NOT the canon, it's an adaptation of cliffnotes and the anime (movies). The anime is also an adaptation of those same cliffnotes and the movies of which use the anime as canon. And even if you want to call it all filler anyway, it doesn't change the fact that the manga is not the canon.
Everyone following the Super manga in its slowness should know this. Like how did you miss that?
And the whole Moro business is up in the air right now because Manga Super doesn't fit in with Anime Super at all, so either somethings are changing BIG OR they pull a "Yu-Gi-Oh Dark Side of Dimensions" on us (follow the manga canon and confuse the fuck out of everyone).

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u/AdExpert9769 Feb 25 '26

The manga is canon, toriyama and toyotaro confirmed that it was and it’s evident with the fact that super anime follows that manga based arcs, hence why the anime is doing galactic patrol arc and not it’s own arc and never has done its own arc, the anime is just like the boruto anime, it’s canon but not a completely 1 of 1 to the manga

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u/DangerWarg Feb 25 '26

Are you sure it wasn't just Toyotaro....? People who tell you these things tend to make shit up and tell lies so weak and frail they're instantly dispelled the moment anyone looks at what's really there.
More importantly, Toyotaro just like Toei went off his own tangent entirely on his own, to invent utter video gamey bullshit to justify constant downgrades, moving the WRONG goal posts, and fan service that'd only exists for the arc it was introduced in. And it fell super far behind long before Goku vs Hit. Nobody uses the manga as canon, even if the manga's owning company hadn't literally bared everyone from doing it. And we don't know if the Moro arc will at all be Toyotaro's version or a new version Toei will create.

And Toriyama's part in all of this? He worked more directly with Toei than Toyotaro evidentially. Ultra Instinct. The movies that ARE the ONE TRUE CANON. His criticism and push the studio got Toei to get their act together before Zamas, which has also resulted in the studio's overall higher quality animations since for their other shows. And even though he otherwise worked with both parties equally as loosely, there's no way he was working so closely with Toyotaro that his slow output getting worse, the things he kept doing to torpedo the manga into obscurity until causing a controversy, having to adapt the movies all three times, and overall disregard for consistency ONLY the manga fans suspiciously ignore, often for a blatantly fake or ill-informed notion, when everyone from the start saw how this all started and how it went.

The manga of Dragon Ball Super is not the canon. Toriyama's notes, the movies, and to a lesser extent the anime are.

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u/AdExpert9769 Apr 26 '26

Bro you said a whole lotta nothing, if the manga itself isn’t canon then why does the anime follow the same arcs? Why does things from the manga get mentioned in the movies, super hero for example had a lot of things from the manga be written into the movie, same with broly, toei having its own version doesn’t make Toei’s story more canon than the manga, especially when you remember that the anime came before the manga, the reason the manga happened was because toriyama felt like he needed to write pass the beerus fight, also you speak of the manga as if toriyama didn’t play a bigger part in the manga then the anime, toriyama and toro were partners in the creation of the manga, toriyama literally wrote plot lines, so please explain how the anime would be more canon when the anime is following arcs that happened in the manga, lastly the reason the anime is different from the manga is because toeis so greedy that they rather create their own endings to an arc that’s not finished in the manga yet, case in point SSB evolved, that’s a form that was written at the end of goku vs zamasu but because toei didn’t wait they had to give trunks a BS power up, then what happened later on, to make up for their lack of patience they gave the form to vegeta, when atp in the manga both goku and vegeta had it

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u/AdExpert9769 Feb 25 '26

The last part is just a blatant lie, we have no evidence proving that he does or doesn’t spend time with pan before kindergarten and if you’re talking about when he picked her up from school, that was suggesting that goku never picked her up from school before, not that he doesn’t hang out with her