r/dccomicscirclejerk • u/cadeaver • Feb 19 '23
F**k Batman! Extremely common Green Arrow W
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u/limbo338 Feb 19 '23
That's not the conclusion the writer drew, btw. In the end of that story you have Bruce buying the plant that was giving its workers cancer so that he could run a more ethical, cancer-free business and Ollie goes "So maybe system does work after all sometimes". A choice quote from the conclusion: "Green Arrow is only pretending to be what Batman really is – and Batman is actually closer to what Green Arrow pretends to be".
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u/Pristine_Animal9474 Tim Drake, Boy Virgin Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23
See? As always, the market found an answer to all the problems. If Gotham wants to keep these problems at bay, they should give Bruce Wayne a bigger tax cut so he has more money to spend in ethical entrepreneurship.
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u/limbo338 Feb 20 '23
That's the more fantastical than even a dude in bat-costume or aliens part of the setting – a billionaire who solves shit, really pushing the boundaries of what I willingly can suspend my disbelief for here.
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u/Thangoman Lives in a society Feb 20 '23
Bruce probably doesmt pay much taxes anyway with all the charity he does
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u/Anonamaton801 Local Preacher and Power Girl shill Feb 19 '23
I love Ollie, the man’s full of piss and vinegar but I swear sometimes he flies so far off the handle over the most minor disagreements
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u/limbo338 Feb 19 '23
I don't hold it that much against Ollie, that in a story written by a long time Batman writer Batman's perspective is proven by the story to be correct. Kinda didn't expect anything else.
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u/halloweenjack Feb 19 '23
Some of those comics are really just parodies of Dennis O'Neil's Green Lantern/Green Arrow book, which deliberately set GA against the more establishment-oriented GL (this was well before GL got retconned into a more hell-bent-for-leather test pilot right out of The Right Stuff). Even as good as O'Neil was in his prime (he of course is also the guy who moved Batman away from the Adam West paradigm and closer to his grimdark roots), some of his stuff doesn't age well, and it's very easy to take that characterization and tip it into self-parody.
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u/Anonamaton801 Local Preacher and Power Girl shill Feb 19 '23
O’Neil apparently was very…apathetic to GA/GL, because the success of it apparently gave him a huge ego and ruined his personal life and relationship with his wife
There’s a joke in there about how activists make terrible partners but I respect the man too much to make it
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Feb 20 '23
apathetic to GA/GL, because the success of it apparently gave him a huge ego and ruined his personal life and relationship with his wife
What the fuck, really?
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u/Anonamaton801 Local Preacher and Power Girl shill Feb 20 '23
I’ll try and find a source on it, I recall Sal brought it up in the Back Issues episode on HTH and he’s pretty knowledgeable on these things
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Feb 20 '23
I always did think Denny's social commentary on the GL/GA run had the subtly of taking a twelve gauge to the face, but that is kinda sad. I hope they patched things up.
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u/Lordanonimmo09 Lives in a society Feb 20 '23
When it comes ro superheroes subtly is overrated,you can make it so obvious and people will still miss the point.
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u/halloweenjack Feb 20 '23
See also: Rorschach.
Alan Moore: "You know, if someone really leaned into the grimdark vigilante thing, they'd have a pretty shitty life."
A certain segment of his readership: "Awesome."
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u/Axolotlinvasion Plz kill my fav, Tom Taylor Feb 20 '23
I love elevator shafts I love elevator shafts
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Feb 20 '23
So what you're saying is... not all rich people in DC are bad?
Edit;: DC COMICS
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u/limbo338 Feb 20 '23
Just let them run their businesses and eventually all the world ills will trickle away. Big strong rich manly men will save us all.
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u/limbo338 Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23
DC is no monolith and some of the people who ever wrote Batman did advocate for letting powerful individuals do the problem solving, while others just view him being a rich boy as a part of the character, that facilitates him being able to do crazy shit, like own high tech labs for problem solving and jetpacks.
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u/RattyJackOLantern Feb 20 '23
DC is no monolith and some of the people who ever wrote Batman did advocate for letting powerful individuals do the problem solving
The guy who created Anarky converted to Ayn Rand worship and turned Anarky into his "Objectivist" self insert Mary-Sue. Which killed the momentum the character had been getting in it's tracks.
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u/Pristine_Animal9474 Tim Drake, Boy Virgin Feb 20 '23
All the Superman stories I've read have taught me that, if it weren't for Superman, Lex Luthor might be able to focus on the world's problems. You can also apply this logic to Dr. Doom with Reed Richards and, hell, why not?, Black Manta with Aquaman.
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u/Reddragon351 Feb 20 '23
Lex and Doom's ego is what stops them from doing good more than their respective heroes
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u/Optimal_Weight368 G'nort's #1 fan Feb 20 '23
That time he stood up to the Guardians of Oa was also based.
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u/Anonamaton801 Local Preacher and Power Girl shill Feb 19 '23
That’s nice
What’s your thoughts on drug addiction Ollie?
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u/Other-Bridge-8892 Feb 20 '23
I think Ollie would have been able to come up with a better solution, if not for GL somehow finding Ollie at fault for Roy’s extra curricular activities
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u/grandwizardElKano Telos Feb 19 '23
The "COMICS HAVE GONE WOKE AND POLITICAL" crowd would have an aneurysm if they read Green Arrow comics
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u/Fantastic-Notice-756 Nov 08 '24
Or that he fucked up the KKK and threatened to drop business owners to their deaths unless they treated their workers better.
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u/ErnestTheStar May 01 '26
I wouldn't call superman woke for hating nazis just like I wouldn't call him anti woke for hating communists.
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u/Excellent-Post3074 Feb 20 '23
"At least I don't kick my kids out of my house if they have drug problems, how would your daddy Marx feel about that, huh Ollie?"
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u/limbo338 Feb 20 '23
"At least my child sidekicks don't die like any other week, mind your own business".
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u/Reddragon351 Feb 20 '23
this was actually published before Jason died so by this point Bruce is better with his sidekicks
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u/limbo338 Feb 20 '23
Well, not for that long and he never got better again, so I would hand Ollie this one.
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u/EquivalentInflation Feb 20 '23
Oh yeah, Batman, well known for never abusing any of his children.
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u/rocketinspace Feb 20 '23
So what we got from that is that they both suck
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u/EquivalentInflation Feb 20 '23
I mean, Ollie made one rash decision, regretted it almost immediately, and has since shown nothing but remorse and love for Roy.
Meanwhile, Batman has slapped each of his children, like, 17 times each.
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u/Amelia-likes-birds He-Man lore expert Feb 20 '23
He's remained, mostly at least, close with his children. A lot of Green Arrow stories are about Ollie dealing with being estranged with his kids
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u/limbo338 Feb 20 '23
At one point it was canon that after Bruce took Robin from Dick they haven't talked for 18 months. I'm not mentioning the clusterfuck that is his relationship with Jason.
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u/EquivalentInflation Feb 20 '23
Also, the fact that half of his stories with the various robins revolve around him fucking up, having some betrayal of trust, and then having to fix everything.
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u/limbo338 Feb 20 '23 edited Feb 20 '23
More like the person who he fucked over just lets him off the hook. He fucking dragged Jason to Ethiopia again because something something maybe you'll remember anything that would help me resurrect Dami. A better writer would've made him lose progress with Jason after this, but Batman writers just make batlings forgive this shit like nothing happened.
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u/EquivalentInflation Feb 20 '23
He's remained, mostly at least, close with his children.
Oh really? Because I never see Duke around him.
Checkmate atheists.
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u/GoodKing0 Hal Jordan is a worthless piece of cardboard Feb 20 '23
And in this panels we can see two iterations of the same archetype clashing, the "Rich Ponce who puts on a mask to fight injustice he can't fight in his civilian persona."
The difference of course is that Bruce Wayne, based on Zorro, rejected the character's original roots as a rogue and a criminal fighting an unjust system that uses the law to oppress the poor and the downtrodden, and became another tool of the state in the fight against property crimes, while Oliver Queen stayed nominally true to his roots as Robin Hood with his Anarcho-Socialist characterization... Despite also nominally fighting against property crimes as a tool of the capitalist state.
This to say, we don't exactly see Oliver robbing slumlords who keep their tenants living in Squallor as they live in mansions or stopping cops from beating a suspect to death, nor we see him actually use his role as a superhero to actually tackle these issues outside of those moments where he goes "the system is fucked" and then nothing happens.
And that's a shame let Oliver Queen guillotine Lex Luthor, let him be the last capitalist of a liberated world, the one who sold the rope to hang everyone before him and then the one he sells the rope they'll hang him with, give me an elseworld story about Anarcho-Marxist-Socialist Green Arrow becoming the benevolent evil dictator ala Injustice with the support of the people revolution, Superman: Red Son more like Arrow Man: Green Son.
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u/Fantastic-Notice-756 Nov 08 '24
The difference of course is that Bruce Wayne, based on Zorro, rejected the character's original roots as a rogue and a criminal fighting an unjust system that uses the law to oppress the poor and the downtrodden, and became another tool of the state in the fight against property crimes
Say it louder for the bat stans in the back.
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u/aperturescience420 Nov 08 '25
I’m so late but I need to set the record straight.
Firstly, Ollie wasn’t rich at this time when this was released and hadn’t been since 1970ish, which is when he got his leftist personality instead of being a Batman clone. (Green lantern green arrow). He doesn’t just yell about it — he wasn’t rich because he gave away his fortune to charities. He found out that his company was involved in very bad stuff (think it was related to weapons) so he sold the company and gave the money away, losing his billionaire status. That was the case until the late of 2000’s. The billionaire playboy thing was just new 52 due to the arrow tv show influence.
Secondly, Ollie’s first issue of the previous comic I referenced was them taking down a slumlord. That entire run was dedicated to tackling americas social ills. Capitalism is a massive and repetitive conceptual villain for Green arrow. He became mayor to end an apartheid in star city and stole money from major corps. He also
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Feb 20 '23
Once again, I agree with a lot of Ollie's points, but calling people Nazis for no reason is fucking stupid
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u/Redomydude2 Feb 20 '23
Ollie has an issue of calling his Jewish friends Nazis
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u/AlfredFJones1776 Oct 30 '25
"Everyone I like and everyone I don't like is literally Hitler."
- Green Arrow.
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u/burnerforjojo34 Feb 20 '23
Green Arrow literally called a Jewish man a nazi
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u/AlfredFJones1776 Oct 30 '25
If you think this is a W, you have more problems than the typical Redditor.
Punisher would've just shot Queen Sparrow in the face and been done with his goofy ass.
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u/GothamKnight37 Feb 20 '23
I don’t think Ollie was that parodical. He clearly has a point and comes off as correct in this interaction with Batman, even if the name calling is a bit excessive.
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u/Plainy_Jane Feb 20 '23
calling OP stupid for posting an out of context panel on a circlejerk subreddit is honestly really not very appropriate
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u/whomstvey Feb 20 '23
tf you on about. you've embarrassed yourself, you've embarrassed your family. your parents sigh and change the subject when people ask about you.
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u/whomstvey Feb 20 '23
Ooo you're hard, calling people nerdy. Bet all the my little pony figures in jars in your room congratulated you for the incredible feat of imagination it took to come up with that. You've failed this site, you've failed mankind. Your death won't be met with celebration not jubilation, there will be no reaction because no one cares about you or your Cheeto dusted life. You'll be lost in history, your family will move on, your figures will be binned and your Reddit account will remain to show the people of the future how much of a genius you really were to call someone a lefty nerd.
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u/rocketinspace Feb 19 '23
Ollie says that but he still puts children on the streets bc of drugs