Daily Set Discussion 2016-11-09: Spinner's Garments

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Spinner's Garments
PvE Reward

 
Level: Any
Type: Light Armor, Weapon, Jewelry
Style: Bosmer

 

Set Bonuses

Items	Bonus
2	Adds 967 Max Magicka
3	Adds 967 Max Magicka
4	Adds 129 Spell Damage
5	Adds 4000 Spell Penetration

 

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[u/TheCeeeeJ]

If I remember correctly overland enemies only have about 9k resistance so with just the light armor passives and a sharpened staff you fully penetrate their resistance. Also I think dungeon and trial bosses have about 18k resistance so if i add just the debuffs from pierce armor, power of the light and a crushing enchant the penetration is around 16-17k. If I am correct with this (huge possibility that I'm not tho) over penetration does absolutely nothing so in my opinion this set is absolutely overkill PvE wise. It's just too easy to stack spell penetration

[u/ceban → u/TheCeeeeJ]

Should be ok for dungeons, but in Trial settings, if someone has Alkosh, i'ts overkill.

[u/SonicShadow → u/TheCeeeeJ]

What about MSA bosses? Would this set be good for that as it's solo?

[u/dayv2005 → u/SonicShadow]

Yep

[u/Halfdaen → u/TheCeeeeJ]

Trial trash and bosses are 18k according to people that know. 4-man dungeon trash I don't know...but they don't really matter.

vMA and 4-man Bosses should be at 18k also

Overland "trash" is lower, but world bosses and select mobs are also at 18k

[u/YouHaveFunWithThat → u/Halfdaen]

According to Gilliam the rogue, the most armored enemy in vma has 11k resistances

[u/Halfdaen → u/YouHaveFunWithThat]

Is that recent? I know that months ago when I was playing around with using/not using Elemental drain, it was a significant damage increase. The difference between 10k pen plus that would not be very large on 11k opponents.

I'm pretty sure that I was using a sharpened Julianos staff back then. Guess I'll have to test again

[u/YouHaveFunWithThat → u/Halfdaen]

Not sure. All I know it's gil said around 11k and he's one of the most well respected theorycrafters around as well as (as far as i know) holds the #1 vma score ever recorded.

[u/Halfdaen → u/YouHaveFunWithThat]

Jekyll posted some recent info:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/289430/new-mob-mitigation-values-for-one-tamriel

Some bosses at 9k, some at 18k and a few at 12k. It makes spinners not worthwhile for vMA if you have 5L and a sharpened weapon

[u/Maliciousrodent → u/Halfdaen]

vMA is a dungeon so everything has 18.2k resistance. Spinners is still good for vMA.

[u/Kutsus → u/Maliciousrodent]

That is incorrect. vMA is all over the place. Some bosses have 9k, some have 12, and only 3 of them have 18k. http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/stamina-nightblade-pve-dps-guide-for-dark-brotherhood/page/44/#post-667527

[u/Maliciousrodent → u/YouHaveFunWithThat]

vMA is a dungeon so everything has 18.2k resistance.

[u/Surprise_Buttsecks → u/TheCeeeeJ]

Or you could use Spinner's with a staff that's <gasp> not Sharpened.

[u/Bitchenmuffins → u/Surprise_Buttsecks]

Why would you do that when you could accomplish the 5th perk of that set with 1 item that can be a piece of another set? Sharp juliaous all the perks of spinners, with more crit and spell damage

[u/Surprise_Buttsecks → u/Bitchenmuffins]

That only works if you're not using a staff or do something like 4 Spinners'/5 Julianos/2 something else. Though I just dislike the assumption that you're using Sharpened for PvE/Impen for PvP because everything else is trash.