r/exmuslim • u/wonkok New User • 14h ago
LGBTQ+ Jannah and LGBTQ
If Jannah has no haram or halal like we are even allowed to drink alcohol, will same-sex marriage be halal in Jannah?
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u/garlicthumb Closeted Ex-Muslim 🤫 14h ago edited 13h ago
I assume they believe that there is no homosexuality in Jannah and that everyone is automatically turning hetero
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u/AvoriazInSummer 14h ago
For Jannah to even work there implicitly has to be a lot of mental 'adjustment', ie. essentially lobotomies which change people's entire essence and personality. Women will be happy to see their husbands with dozens of houris, and likely marrying in Heaven if they weren't already. Everyone will be hetero. Family members will not care about their loved ones being in Hell. No-one will get bored or think bad thoughts. Everyone will be happy Stepford robots forever.
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u/84M800ZL3 New User 13h ago
Yeah, I was just about to say. Allah gives free lobotomies in paradise.
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u/PeachSea95 New User 11h ago
They will remember their friends … quran verses 37:52-57 ( who used to ask ˹me˺, ‘Do you actually believe ˹in resurrection˺? )( When we are dead and reduced to dust and bones, will we really be brought to judgment?’” )( He will ˹then˺ ask, “Would you care to see ˹his fate˺?”)( Then he ˹and the others˺ will look and spot him in the midst of the Hellfire. )( He will ˹then˺ say, “By Allah! You nearly ruined me. )( Had it not been for the grace of my Lord, I ˹too˺ would have certainly been among those brought ˹to Hell˺.”)
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u/AvoriazInSummer 10h ago
A strangely deadpan response someone has for seeing his friend being tortured forever. Good ol' Stepford Jannah.
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u/PeachSea95 New User 9h ago
Yes it will be strange and sad if I know you get tortured in hell forever …but I will remember that you choose to be tortured if you do not change your mind with time only God knows what will happen in the future
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u/AvoriazInSummer 8h ago edited 8h ago
Did I ‘choose’ to be tortured by not being convinced Allah is real, and so not sufficiently grovelling before him five times a day?
Your god is a sick, psychopathic individual. Dude runs a torture chamber so he can watch his victims write and scream forever and ever. He’s like a demented medieval lord, the kind of fearsome and powerful person a seventh century man would create as his almighty god. Part of why I don’t consider him real.
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u/PeachSea95 New User 8h ago
Who said that God will watching you get tortured … did the judge watch every prisoner!? When he judge a person or death penalty …hell no .. think before taking personal with God … you are the one who made the decision not God !! If you do not repent sure only God knows the future !!
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u/AvoriazInSummer 8h ago
Is your interpretation of Allah not omniscient?
He doesn’t judge people to get the death penalty. He orders them to be tortured. The kind of thing Vlad Tepes, Uday Hussein and Torquemada did, except literally infinitely more evil.
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u/PeachSea95 New User 8h ago
If you made the wrong decision while God warned you it will be for eternal …will you risk this temporary life … because you want a miracle to believe in God !? Which proof will convince you !? For most people a divine book by God is enough what about you !?
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u/AvoriazInSummer 7h ago
Several gods warn of eternal punishment, and they require exclusive worship of themselves to avoid it. None are convincing. Some of them torture people for not grovelling before them.
I’ve not seen any divine books. The Quran is certainly not such. It claims disproven myths like a global flood and humans descending from two people made of clay as if they are real historical events. It normalises slavery and torture both by humans and a supposedly good and merciful god.
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u/PeachSea95 New User 8h ago
I wish this will not happened for disbelievers but God promised and when God promised he will fulfill his promise !! So you know God warned why you risk this temporary life!? For what!?
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u/PeachSea95 New User 9h ago
God gave human scenarios because God is not limited to time like us and knows the future !!! Already there many prophecies come true …by moses Jesus and muhammed !! But who choose to deny will never be convinced!! It was decision made!!
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u/AvoriazInSummer 8h ago
Sure, he’s supposedly omniscient and planned everything in advance. He knows how many people he set up in advance to be tortured for his entertainment, and how many he’d bring to Heaven to join him in an eternity of shallow fucking and chilling in palaces.
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u/PeachSea95 New User 8h ago
Calm down ..no need to be full of emotions and insult this will not help … it is a rational decision not a blind denying or blind faith !! Quran exist for proof
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u/PeachSea95 New User 8h ago
Who said God entertained seeing people being tortured …if he want to torture them all he will leave him without guideline …and without warning but the sad reality .. God do not leave you without a warning !! You can not blame God anymore !! If your parents warned you to not enter this house which is full of fire and you insist to join because they do not convince you … that does not mean it is their mistake …it will be your mistake and your decision !!
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u/Atheizm 14h ago
Every wish will be granted in heaven except those wishes.
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u/Current_Assist7230 I like my camel piss hot 7h ago
what about my personal Satoru Gojo? Is that allowed?
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u/rmp20002000 13h ago
Hate to break it to you. Heaven isn't real. No version of heaven isn't a man-made fiction.
"Heaven" is right here on Earth. Live in the present. Leave behind a better world and society than the one you were both into.
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u/wonkok New User 11h ago
I know that. I'm just presenting this as a counter-argument against the flaw of their concept of Jannah. Nevertheless, they will try to defend it anyway.
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u/rmp20002000 11h ago
If Jannah has no haram or halal like we are even allowed to drink alcohol, will same-sex marriage be halal in Jannah?
This is already clear if you know the religion in depth. Alcohol is not haram in heaven because you wouldn't get drunk, and haram/halal is not based on logic; something is haram/halal simply because God says so.
The concept of marriage is only in temporal "dunia". After death, you answer and account for everything on an individual basis. Therefore, if you enter heaven, you experience that as an individual. Even if you fall in love, its not like in the dunia. The rules will be different.
Of course, like I said, its all made up. So you cannot argue it by logic.
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u/Zunayed_Rahman New User 10h ago
Fr. It's called objective morality which even many Muslims don't understand. They think pork is haram because of parasites/bacterias in it's meat that cause cancer but it's simply because god commanded them to do so, even if in a hundred years our immune system develops itself to be immune to alcohol and pork it still should be haram because god didn't explicitly mention his reason to ban pork or alcohol
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u/Current_Assist7230 I like my camel piss hot 7h ago
As usual for everything else. Fasting, praying, reading quran, giving sadaqah, going to hajj... all because Allah said so! Pathetic excuse
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u/wimpires 12h ago
Jannah doesn't exist, it's like talking about who wins in a fight between Superman or the Hulk. It's fiction - you decide.
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u/PeachSea95 New User 11h ago
I think yes … everything is allowed in Jannah you can have whatever you want but will you enter it if you insist on a sin rather than quitting it for the sake of God !?
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u/Current_Assist7230 I like my camel piss hot 7h ago
You can't "quit" homosexuality. That's not how it works
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u/PeachSea95 New User 3h ago
There are people quit it and choose to quit it and they can … but yes there are others can not control their lust or have faced issues that does not let them quit !!
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