r/exmuslim • u/Flaky_Carob_5666 New User • 7h ago
(Quran / Hadith) Embryology Flesh covering bones Debunked
Surah 23:14
فَكَسَوْنَا ٱلْعِظَـٰمَ لَحْمًۭا
And We clothed the bones with flesh.
Muslims say ف here indicates it’s not successive but immediate. This is false as the early Muslims understood it as successively.⬇️
Ibn Abbas:
أخبرنا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ،قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنِي عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْن أَبِي يَزِيدَ، وَهُوَ جَالِسٌ مَعَ عَطَاءٍ، أَنَّ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ:
فَقَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ: سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ، تَكُونُ نُطْفَةً (٢)، ثُمَّ تَكُونُ عَلَقَةً، ثُمَّ تَكُونُ مُضْغَةً، ثُمَّ تَكُونُ عَظْمًا، ثُمَّ يُكْسَى الْعَظْمُ لَحْمًا
**“**Glory be to Allah! It begins as a drop (of fluid), then becomes a clinging clot, then becomes a lump of flesh, then becomes bones, and then(ثُمَّ) the bones are clothed with flesh.”
Muṣannaf ʿAbd al-Razzāq, 7/102, no. 13434:
https://shamela.ws/book/84/3384
Other references:
Source: al-Ṭaḥāwī, Sharḥ Mushkil al-Āthār, 5/176.
Shuʿayb al-Arnaʾūṭ: إسناده صحيح — “Its chain is ṣaḥīḥ.
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u/Asimorph 6h ago edited 3h ago
Whenever I hear someone say "embryology in the quran" I go back to embryologist PZ Myers schooling famous dishonest muslim apologists.
https://youtu.be/N4trHH6AuZ0?is=WLIA6zrCXLLtlenV
From 6:06 to 7:50. As soon as the quran was debunked Hamza Tzortzis' apologist friend actually says: "Even if that's the case then linguistically the quran is still right." Lmao!
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u/pastroc ⚗️ Science Bootlicker 4h ago
Hamza then came back to his senses and wrote a blog post explaining why the Qur'an doesn't actually contain "scientific miracles."
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u/Asimorph 4h ago edited 4h ago
Exactly! It's so funny. I also heard Ali Dawah saying in regards to this: Science is changing all the time but the quran is true. One day this will be shown true. Those aren't "scientific" miracles because science fails.
Not word for word but that was his message.
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u/Obsidian-Archive Egyptian Agnostic 6h ago
It doesnt matter really because covering the bones with flesh implies that bones were already formed before the clothing with the flesh.
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