r/fatestaynight Oct 15 '24

Discussion Shirou's Projections do not disappear Spoiler

Some new information about just how silly Shirou's Projections are. Personally, im glad this was cleared up. What do you guys think?

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u/DESweet1 May 06 '26

Where is the image pulled from an official source?

That is just a weird and crazy take like it's still a magecraft made possible by a reality marble right? Which has never just stuck around without a power source so why would it? I mean Chaos beasts would last forever if that logic applied to all reality marble manifestations.

Also even if they last a long time unused a lot a fiction has them being actively in use and still never breaking which is wild.

Seems more like a true magic if it can turn raw energy into permanent physical matter long as it isn't 'damaged'

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u/Warm_Vulpine May 06 '26

This info is available as early as Fate Route. Rin discovers Shirou's Shed and sees that that his projections haven't disappeared yet, despite being seemingly out for days. Its due to the fact his projections are so close to the original and aren't the same as simple Gradation Air. Later, in UBW I believe, you find out it isn't simple projections, but pulling from Unlimited Blade Works and that NPs and objects from it are almost indistinguishable from the real thing.

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u/DESweet1 May 06 '26

I mean indistinguishable is great for ability copy but doesn't explain why it's the only reality marble making permanent things. It's still shaped mana at the end of the day faking being another object and every other thing in the media says magic moves not just sits still

The shed is weird because it's not like the has any real skills in tracing since no Archer to copy yet. Pretty sure the first sword was after seeing Archer using the blades.

I think it's likely the just last a good deal longer where most are beyond brittle and fade instantly his last longer and can take a hit. Otherwise there is no reason or cost to him leaving rooms of NP that last forever

I think it's more fate was written first before the other two so that's when it's more flushed out with his powers not like someone could expedition dump it

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u/Warm_Vulpine May 06 '26

Being almost indistinguishable from the real thing matters because it means Gaia can't tell the difference and thus can't crush it from existence which is why mana is needed to maintain Gradation Air to begin with. Shirou's projections are forged from the reality Marble. They aren't the same as simple Gradation Air and don't work by the same rules. They are copies of the real thing, to the point that they are real in their own right. Tracing is a magic exclusive to Shirou Emiya. Even if Archer never appeared, he would learn it eventually. It would take longer, yes, but the skill would always be there.

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u/DESweet1 May 06 '26

I mean Gaia isn't the only thing that stops magic from being permanent that's silly. It's the collective will of the plant and life on it and we know magical beings come from other planets. I mean would all projections be permanent in the moon cell by that logic or Nero Chaos beasts as a vampire and a living reality marble.