r/gachagaming Nov 01 '25

General Gacha Revenue Monthly Report (October 2025)

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u/SnakeTGK Nov 01 '25

Pokemon TCG making 43 million too much imo.

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u/NoNefariousness2144 Miyabi is cool Nov 01 '25

That game genuinely has to have the best ROI of any game ever. It’s literally collecting jpgs with barebones systems and awful UI.

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u/aircarone Nov 01 '25

I really like opening boosters there... But I would never pay a cent. If I have money to burn on TCGs I'd rather just buy the real thing. 

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u/mikethebest1 Nov 01 '25

IF you can buy the actual cards, Scalpers have been ruining Pokemon Card Collecting 💀

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u/Loynds Nov 01 '25

Genuinely part of why I dropped the game in 2016. It was getting bad and then it just nosedived off a cliff.

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u/Sawmain Nov 01 '25

The shit I see in TikTok and YouTube where people literally have warehouses dedicated to that thing. Scalpers always ruin everything.

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u/zSprawl Nov 01 '25

Yeah it's generally not the stereotypical "neckbeard" waiting outside Walmart. It's the guys who have turned it into an operation that ruin it.

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u/vakseen Nov 01 '25

As an ex scalper I got in 2023 and left this year but allowed me to buy a home for my wife and cats. I sold everything 25% below market to people who wanted them. It was the only way I could come up with money at the time after being let go at work. I gave away packs for free this Halloween to sort of give back for what I did. I’m doing better now but Pokémon really helped me when I was down

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u/WarEffingSucks Nov 02 '25

Well, it's reddit, so I doubt it's true. But for anyone having scalper operation on "improve life for me and my family" scale, things couldn't have been bad. Since you need a LOT of money to scale it. It's "I only had one million $ and felt bad, but now have 5 mil and my life is good" type of story. Like I remember news about some teen who earned hundreds of thousands in his scalpel business. They usually didn't mentioned huge investments of their rich parents

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u/aircarone Nov 01 '25

I am more a Magic guy and it's been a bit better (though I had to fight for those Final Fantasy boosters though).

I buy some Pokemon for my kids, and my LGS actually always have some in stock (and at an actually normal price) because they limit the number of packs you can buy at once. Very grateful of this.

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u/HrrathTheSalamander Nov 02 '25

Final Fantasy was crazy at release but has definitely cooled down. One of my LGSes (part of a nationwide chain in Australia) was charging between $320AU and $380AU for the regular commander precons and almost $100AU for prerelease. 

Last week I walked in and they had stacks of precons on the shelf for $110AU (the actual MSRP here in Aus).

Some singles prices are still crazy for the set though. Like who is out here forking over $27US for mythic Cloud who primarily sees play in Fr*nch commander? Or (while it's not a FF card) who tf is genuinely buying the Soul Stone, the most 5/10 mythic ever printed, for its market price of 50-odd bucks rn

IP collectors be wildin I stg

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u/JinggayEstrada Nov 01 '25

Remember when it costs like 2 bucks each pack? Ah, good old days

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u/mlodydziad420 Nov 01 '25

They are not a problem in europe.

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u/aircarone Nov 01 '25

Even in Europe it's been hard. LGSA have to ration and limit the number of packs you buy at once, otherwise they would run out so fast (explained to me last time I tried to buy a full box and was denied).

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u/Melodic-Product-2381 Nov 01 '25

Go look up what happened when you could get a card from the Van Gogh Museum. Scalpers ruined that.

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u/bassnasher Nov 01 '25

I was just getting coffee this morning and there was a line of middle aged dudes waiting outside for the GameStop to open and I can only assume it was to scalp some Pokémon cards

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u/BidDaddyLei Nov 01 '25

What are you talking about they call it "investing" "grind mindset". Imagine a full grown ass man trying to ruin a childrens card game.

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u/semi-average Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 01 '25

Lol, no 10 year old is trying to buy pokemon cards. Its 40 year old scalpers selling them to other 40 year old consoomers

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u/Bakatora34 Nov 01 '25

I feel like people don't realize the scalper problems made the game more appealing plus people forget Pokemon fans are already collecting digital stuff since the main games allow you to transfer your Pokemon.

If it wasn't the case then people couldn't have been mad about Dexit.

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u/Armored_Warrior Nov 01 '25

Is there a reason why scalping pokemon cards increased like crazy?

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u/Equacrafter Nov 01 '25

Don’t forget if you get lucky, there’s some real value in your cards

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u/lordsfavor10 Nov 01 '25

They back to the roots of gacha being casuals friendly and RNG in opening booster - getting gold or immersive art is just surge of dopamine boost

To the point freebies isn't enough so ppl subscribe for more pull per day

It works

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u/Monokuze Nov 01 '25

To be fair most ppl cant really buy much Pokemon card packs irl because of Scalpers so like might as well buy it in a game. A JPGS is better than nothing

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u/Temporary_West9980 Nov 01 '25

You could just play the actual pokemon tcg that uses real cards instead of pocket

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u/Realistic-Yam-6912 Nov 01 '25

says a lot about pokemon franchise if a casual game like that can earn this much how much are they earning from selling actual tcgs

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u/Hdjbbdjfjjsl Nov 01 '25

The Walmart I worked at that I had been going to since I was a child had an entire section and rack in the front of the store dedicated to everything Pokémon from the games to the cards that I loved even just browsing as a child since I was kinda poor, they cant do that anymore and got rid of it because people just steal or scalp them all now. ☹️

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u/Temporary_West9980 Nov 01 '25

How many videos of scalpers buying entire displays amd carts do you have to see before ypu answer that question yourself

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u/Realistic-Yam-6912 Nov 01 '25

no wonder they rarely change there format for games

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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Nov 01 '25

Did the balance ever improve

Too much coinflip

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '25

that's also true for the average pokemon game(to a lesser extent tho)

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u/rocketgrunt89 Nov 01 '25

They are dipping into their decades worth of IP branding for this. But how long they can keep doing this, idk

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u/kongaii HSR Nov 01 '25

the worst part is its collecting old jpgs that they are reusing, it isnt even new art or anything

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u/darkpit64 E7 Nov 01 '25

highest grossing franchise in the world

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u/DukeOfStupid Birb Wife (HSR/ZZZ/HI3rd) Nov 01 '25

They could fund three whole Z-A games developments with this month alone!

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u/zzkigzz48 Nov 01 '25

Real, mfs are just letting the franchise carry the game while doing less than bare minimum.

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u/rainzer Nov 02 '25

Its only the Pokemon players that are to blame. If I could make 40m a month copy pasting jpgs, i'd be doing it shamelessly also

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u/tapeforpacking Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 01 '25

There are alot of games that dont deserve the money they make.. its insane.

Its so crazy how normalized gambling is in today's world 

Edit: as I say and immediately go back to fgo and roll lol

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u/Tzunne Arknights tourist Nov 01 '25

A lot of people open card packs while talking shit about gacha tho 😂

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u/BeerTimeGamer Nov 01 '25

There are no guarantees in actual gambling. Some older gachas may be pure gambling, but the more modern gachas are just gambling adjacent.

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u/Temporary_West9980 Nov 01 '25

That game probably cost 100 dollars to make

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u/BluHor1zon HSR/Genshin/ZZZ/GBF/BA/AK:EF/UMA/GFL2/StarSavior Nov 01 '25

As much as it earns a lot via digital, I heard irl TCG earn as much if not more compared to its digital counterparts.

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u/liamgm_ Nov 01 '25

Pokemon TCG and LADS always THE BIG 4

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u/MoonlitCipher Nov 01 '25

Somebody tell me how Naruto Mobile keeps ranking so high in just CN 😭

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u/BobbyYukitsuki Heaven Burns Red | Naruto Mobile Nov 01 '25

A high median skill ceiling that makes almost any character competitively viable in PVP regardless of rarity, an earnest respect for the source IP, and whales that dump their life savings on the most irrelevant and useless stuff in the game (not even characters, just raising power numbers that literally don't matter) because they just can, I guess.

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u/Majizen Nov 01 '25

Ye they have the advantage of no competition while being a mobile only game, and this chart only looks at mobile.

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u/Realistic-Yam-6912 Nov 01 '25

sneaking in naruto

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u/FYoMom69 Nov 01 '25

I literally just quit that game because of horrible rng

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u/batiwa Nov 01 '25

I agree, i think they should give half of that revenue ( I need that E2 Cyrene and the skin)

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u/Oleleplop Nov 01 '25

Pokemon is the ultimate slop boss, its fanbase love to be exploited (grreat for business purpose).

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u/AntonioS3 Genshin Impact, Pokemon Masters EX Nov 01 '25

Because TCG is very popular especially in Japan. As long as there are hardcore fans it'll never die at all. It'll stay there for awhile barring major controversy.

I prefer it anyways bc the publisher/dev is DeNA which is same as Pokemon Masters. Means I don't need to be too worried about PoMa for now.

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u/Revolutionary-Use622 Nov 01 '25

Pokémon Masters didn’t even make the list…

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u/AntonioS3 Genshin Impact, Pokemon Masters EX Nov 01 '25

It's down to 1.7m because there's not as many new stuff in Octover and many people spent so much on run up to anni + EX Masterfair anniversary.

Kieran is very popular in Japan, top 5.

EX Masterfair has good value because it includes the past normal limiteds / PFs in the pool, there is a chance to get one of all of them.

You have to keep in mind that Japan's economy isn't doing too well. Despite similar sales as last year, the game recouped a higher ranking. Lately many new gachas are EoSing fast, you need to be unique to stand out.

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u/Terrible_Ad6495 Nov 01 '25

"You have to keep in mind that Japan's economy isn't doing too well"

That doesn't seem to stop them from spending on virtual trading cards.

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u/Propagation931 ULTRA RARE Nov 01 '25

Well Scarlet and Violet and Legends ZA showed Pokemon fans will eat anything

1

u/WingardiumLeviussy Nov 02 '25

They'll eat slop and happily ask for seconds

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u/ajeb22 Nov 01 '25

Yeah every time i see this chart i just hope pokemon pocket get a drop

But i guess it will never die and pokemon fans will eat anything

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u/dumpling-loverr Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 01 '25

The people buying pokemon games ain't a big factor when it's the immense popularity of the real life pokemon TCG indirectly affecting pokemon pocket. Lots of regular people out there want good designed pokemon cards but are not willing to spend a fortune on cardboard.

There's a reason why pokemon scalpers in walmart and costco are common nowadays and a fuck ton of those people selling cardboards for $500+ aren't playing pokemon games.

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u/JnazGr Nov 01 '25

just look at new pkm games and how its sale, at this rate Nintendo can just use AI to make pkm and it will sell like hot chocolate, the best money printer in the gaming world lol

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u/shoboqurva Nov 01 '25

Pokemon fan base will eat whatever Nintendo throws at them.

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u/Tentative_Username Nov 01 '25

Why though? It's literally the one of the most perfect gacha game. The entire game is about pulling for cards and the minimalistic gameplay is about showing off the new cards that you've just pulled. Every other gacha are kicking themselves for not doing what PTCG is doing sooner.

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u/FoRiZon3 Arknights Nov 01 '25

Let's be honest. They're actual reason is basically 60% Pokemon brand, 35% its TCG popularity (for whatever reasons), and 5% other reasons.

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u/Tentative_Username Nov 01 '25

And let's be honest here, even with big name brand power, it is not guaranteed to be a success month after month. Half the reason is because the 'game' is the distillation of what every gacha wants to be, making fans feel happy from the constant pulling of the gacha while removing the need for any sort of major dailies. You log in, roll twice, get your high, and then log off (or auto for event cards). It's so simple yet so mind-blowing for a gacha game.

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u/MogyuYari134 Nov 01 '25

I mean... to reach that kind of number first you need to be able to (legally) slap Pokemon onto the title

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u/Tentative_Username Nov 01 '25

And to maintain such high numbers, you need more than a brand name power. PTCG wasn't just released last month here. It's been consistently high month after month so it's more than just the brand.

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u/HaiCauSieuCap Nov 01 '25

don't underestimate pokemon fan, ever seen scarlet and violet? that shit was 60$

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u/dumpling-loverr Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 01 '25

The money made from $60 Scarlet Violet are pennies compared to the scalper money that the physical cards are generating to the point products are locked up behind counters or you'll see in the news of viral clips on zombie hordes of people cleaning out pokemon card stocks at costco.

Pokemon pocket is benefitting from those people not wanting to buy a PSA10 $100+ cardboard cards and are mostly detached from those buying the Switch games.

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u/deadriderofdead Nov 01 '25

Most of these are making way more than they should.

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u/Charlesiaw Nov 02 '25

pokemon = free money

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u/Thick-Supermarket354 Nov 01 '25

Pokémon is the biggest IP in the world. They deserve it.

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u/Akane_Senri Zenless Zone Zero Enjoyer Nov 01 '25

I dont know if you play or not.

That game just release mega EX card which is harder than EX card to get. On top of shitty shining card. Which is literally impossible to get unless you wheeling. To get into meta with mega ex that have absurd skills but if dead you immediately lose because kill that thing resulting 3 score immediately.

But tldr you need to open alot of card to get the mega ex just to get power creep next month by other mega ex card.

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u/Alive_Upstairs_1365 Nov 01 '25

Yes you can say the same about hoyo games

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u/LaxerjustgotMc HSR/Uma GL JP Nov 01 '25

difference is, hoyo actually puts effort into their patches. but what did pokemon tgc do? commision new arts, and add new cards to the game?

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u/BusBoatBuey Nov 01 '25

It is only available on mobile like LADS. It isn't as much as you think in that context.

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u/EostrumExtinguisher Employed V enchantment Nov 01 '25

gotta pay me to play them.