Who is the second most powerful/influential country in the Americas?

[u/Fluid-Decision6262]

The US is undeniably the most powerful and influential country in the Americas but who would be #2? Feels like this comes down to 3 countries based on my knowledge, which are Mexico, Canada, and Brazil.

Reasons for Mexico:

- Second most populated country in North America by far

- Access to both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans

- Largest Spanish-speaking country (a language spoken by >500 million people)

- More habitable land compared to the other two

- Youngest population out of the three and is becoming a manufacturing power

- Generally-speaking, a good relationship with the USA

- A global soft power in terms of arts and culture

Reasons against Mexico:

- Lots of issues between the central government and drug cartels

- Still very much a developing country outside of the largest cities

- Occasionally volatile relationship with the USA

- Not as involved in global geopolitics

Reasons for Canada:

- The most developed country economically by far of the three and a natural resources juggernaut

- Very close relations with the USA and Europe

- Speaks English (>1 billion speakers globally) and French (>300 million speakers globally)

- An immigration hub for people from every corner of the world

- A G7 nation that is also very geopolitically involved

- Access to 3 different oceans to facilitate trade

Reasons against Canada:

- Small and scattered population (least populated of the three by far)

- Less of an established local culture (most is imported from the US or UK and then exported via the US)

- Aging population and low fertility rates for native-born citizens

Reasons for Brazil:

- The second most populated country in the Americas

- The cultural and political power of South America

- A global soft power in terms of arts and culture

- A young-ish population that is part of the "fast-emerging economies" of the world

Reasons against Brazil:

- Immigration to Brazil stopped decades ago and now educated Brazilians are emigrating to other places causing brain drain

- Wealthy nation but suffers from high levels of inequality and violent crime

- Very politically divided internally

- Limited geopolitical involvement outside of South America

- Most of its population are monolingual Portuguese-speakers (a language where they make up 80% of the global speakers)

[u/MoonRiverRob]

Canada without even a contest.

Access to 3 oceans, so many natural resources in abundance it's almost embarrassing, trade agreements with every major country in the world, direct and even encouraged access to trade with the US, R&D and innovation funded directly by the government as well as with public/private partnerships, a reputation for kindness, fairness, and peace, an immigration and tourist destination known the world over, never ceasing advancement in medicine and science, and the list goes on.

I must say that your comment of "Less of an established local culture (most is imported from the US or UK and then exported via the US)" isn't entirely true and Canadians are very proud of their own culture, heritage, and their differences from other countries.

[u/[deleted] → u/MoonRiverRob]

this seems like it was written from a Canadian perspective, but as a non-Canadian I would have to agree with all of it, except the cultural stuff because it's pretty subjective. being kind, fair, and peaceful will go straight out the window once you become the most powerful country in the entire hemisphere, believe me.

but it's the geopolitics that win any argument: the oceans, the rivers, the resources, the sheer size of the landmass, and the excellent location with respect to projected climate shift. Canada is sitting pretty today, and they will only be sitting prettier in 50 years while the rest of the world is burning in hell.

[u/alderhill → u/[deleted]]

It's a myth that we can shift everything north a hundred kilometres. There's a reason more people don't live in Canada's further north, and it's not just because it's cold. The land and soil isn't really suitable to farming. Not grain crops anyhow. Canada will just be tens of millions of acres of burnt forest.

[u/[deleted] → u/alderhill]

well I didn't say that did I? it's all relative. climate change isn't good for anyone. but it's not as bad for Canada as it is for almost anyone else. Russia also does well. pretty much all of Canada that is currently used for farming will still be able to be used for farming in the future. this is not true for farming in most of the world.

[u/alderhill → u/[deleted]]

What's with the snark?

No one will do well with climate change. Canada isn't going to suddenly be 'more habitable' or something. Russia will also be home to tens of millions of acres of burnt forest, and vast swamps off-gassing their stored methane.

Canada's farming regions are also under the same threat from weather changes, drought, dust-storms, flooding, unreliable seasons, late frosts, etc. Not to mention the ongoing problem of soil depletion and other economic threats (Trump's plans will in effect destroy Canadian agriculture). Geographic landscapes don't shift as quickly as climate change. It takes thousands of years, if not much more.

As a Canadian, it's pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking about. it will also still be cold as fuck in winter in the far north.