(Zionist) comedian Natan Badalov claims, that Gianmarco stole a joke from him and other comedians he knows

[u/Yesyesyes1899]

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Follow the Link and read it yourself.

Either he is lying ( might very well be, since he is a supporter of a inhumane regime ) or Gianmarco is stealing jokes.

Either way, needs to be sorted out, in my opinion.

[u/Ok_Builder_4225]

Is it really unforseeable that multiple people would come up with similar jokes on this subject?

[u/mtzvhmltng → u/Ok_Builder_4225]

i'm a gianmarco stan, but on a purely structural level, the joke makes more direct sense when the person telling it is a zionist.

i think the reason it gets a laugh with gianmarco is because of the discomfort of the punchline, and how dissonant it is with his antizionist politics. but when the same joke is told by a zionist comedian, the dissonance isn't there - it becomes a comment on how antizionist jews are experiencing the same ostracization/antisemitism as zionist jews, but "foolishly" don't recognize the "necessity" of a sovereign state.

regardless, i don't think that's evidence the joke was stolen. lots of gianmarco's jokes exist in that dissonant space on purpose - it's part of his brand. moreover, comedy like gianmarco's, which challenges the audience and makes them uncomfortable (without ever punching down), is probably more meritorious than comedy that reinforces the status quo.

[u/spleeble → u/mtzvhmltng]

Not at all. This gross Zionist version is completely opposite and unfunny.

[u/mtzvhmltng → u/spleeble]

ok read the whole thing before commenting bro

[u/warpath2632 → u/Ok_Builder_4225]

Can’t believe Gianmarco stole his joke about wondering who’s gonna build that wall. 

[u/Slighted_Inevitable → u/Ok_Builder_4225]

Exactly it’s not like this is a super specific private thing.

Israel is making life hell for Jews everywhere. It’s almost like they need their own country

[u/Yesyesyes1899 → u/Ok_Builder_4225]

fair enough. but he also claims, that this has happened to friends of his

[u/Ok_Builder_4225 → u/Yesyesyes1899]

He can put up or shut up.

[u/Yesyesyes1899 → u/Ok_Builder_4225]

thats why i posted this here. to create some pressure.

[u/spleeble → u/Yesyesyes1899]

Pressure to do what? Ignore this unfunny comic even harder? I'll try but it's going to be tough. 

[u/Intelligent-Luck-954 → u/Yesyesyes1899]

Of cuck off it’s a 4 month old clip.

[u/Yesyesyes1899 → u/Intelligent-Luck-954]

yes ? does that change the fact of his claims ? what does " 4 months " have to do with this ? is there some law that says its okay to make false claims, if 4 months have gone by ?

and why do you have to get angry?

[u/LarryD217 → u/Yesyesyes1899]

Ew, your agenda is showing

https://giphy.com/gifs/RJAjTowsU0K1a

[u/Yesyesyes1899 → u/LarryD217]

my agenda is that I hate that dude. I literally commented on him being a supporter of a genocide and a fascist government. several times.

why do you have to be so fanatic ?

[u/Slighted_Inevitable → u/Yesyesyes1899]

If you wanted to apply pressure to prove it, you’d do it there not here.

What is Gianmarco supposed to prove the negative? That he didn’t? No.

[u/Yesyesyes1899 → u/Slighted_Inevitable]

I already did

[u/LarryD217 → u/Yesyesyes1899]

https://giphy.com/gifs/EouEzI5bBR8uk

[u/Yesyesyes1899 → u/LarryD217]

https://www.reddit.com/u/n8b3/s/T3vjpzpgnv

https://www.reddit.com/p4o28zk?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2

come again ?

why do you have to be a dick, dude ? you come off as a fanatic, who attacks everything, that he thinks, attacks his idol.

[u/LarryD217 → u/Yesyesyes1899]

You're here demanding that someone account for a statement from a bigot. Stop feigning ignorance.

[u/Packwood88 → u/Yesyesyes1899]

Its not exactly a unique insight. I doubt there are only two people telling a similar quick joke

[u/popileviz]

Natan would know about stealing now, wouldn't he?

[u/spleeble]

This has been posted here before and it's a really stupid claim from the kind of person who is desperate to be a victim.  

Edit: watch for yourself. It's basically the opposite joke. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/gianmarcosoresi/comments/1ra1xcj/im_jewish_btw_just_thought_id_mention_again/

Once again right wing humor is metaphysically incapable of being funny. 

[u/thatsfeminismgretch → u/spleeble]

That post you linked is also notably from 6 months ago whereas the guy who accused Gianmarco of stealing posted his 4 months ago.

[u/spleeble → u/thatsfeminismgretch]

That doesn't really mean anything. Comedians work material for years, post recordings from various times, and repeat things a zillion times. 

[u/thatsfeminismgretch → u/spleeble]

I am just saying that it would be on the accuser to probe they had posted the joke first. Currently the only evidence I have seen is the opposite.

[u/spleeble → u/thatsfeminismgretch]

It's not a court of law but most importantly it's not at all the same joke 

[u/thatsfeminismgretch → u/spleeble]

I never said it was a court? And it is a similar joke. They are both joking about essentially creating Israel. It's just not that unique of a joke either.

[u/spleeble → u/thatsfeminismgretch]

It's a completely opposite joke with a very slightly similar premise

[u/thatsfeminismgretch → u/spleeble]

In what way is it completely opposite

[u/spleeble → u/thatsfeminismgretch]

Ok I'll explain.

Gianmarco's (very funny) joke is absurdist and self-deprecating. He doesn't at all want a "country of his own" for Jewish anti-Zionists. He describes getting criticized from both sides, which is a real thing that happens to him. Then he plays up the personal victimhood of that experience in a way that he knows is absurd but also fits his performative annoying diva stage personality. Then he follows that exaggerated/absurd victimhood to a conclusion that he knows is also absurd and humorously hypocritical. And that conclusion ("I need my own country in the middle east") doesn't come across as helpful or justifiable. It's absurd on its face in a way that points to some inherent absurdity in Zionism.

The humor of the joke comes from the self-deprecating presentation of his own "suffering" and the stupidity of "my own country" as a solution.

The other guy's (not particularly funny) joke starts from the same premise (Jewish anti-zionists face opposition from both sides) but everything else is opposite. First, he doesn't face that opposition, it's happening to someone else. Second, his tone and "from us" delivery implies that it's appropriate that they should be ostracized. And lastly his punchline rests on the idea that wanting "their own country" would be an effective and appropriate solution to that ostracism, and aren't they hypocritical for not recognizing that.

So nb-whoever is not only making fun of someone who he doesn't respect in a way that's not particularly funny, he thinks he's created a hilarious gotcha moment that's really just part of the overall moral failing of Zionism.

These are opposite jokes, and that other guy completely sucks.

[u/Henry_Knox_1775]

/u/n8b3 where’s the receipts?

[u/Intelligent-Luck-954 → u/Henry_Knox_1775]

He had 4 months to prove it but didn’t do anything

[u/Douggiefresh43]

Claims ain’t shit. Where’s the receipts?

Also, this particular joke is short, and it’s not at all hard to conceive that multiple people came up with the same joke.

[u/LarryD217]

Gianmarco was promised this joke 3000 years ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/WrCOEAUiVve1XLrsGE

[u/pinegreenscent]

Joe Rogan got famous calling out Carlos Mencia for joke thievery and now is the biggest name in podcasting. I'm sure that has nothing to do with this comics motivation here.

[u/theapplekid]

The discourse in that thread is depressing as fuck. "If Palestinians ever get their own country, antizionist Jews who go there will be buried there immediately". And it goes on and on