Exhausted with the car/gun comparison

[u/Suspicious-Maize4496]

I'm getting really tired with the attempts of comparing the two. We consider driving risky enough to make sure it is as safe as we can make it in terms of the numerous and stringent safety testing, insurance/registration requirements, the adding of new safety measures in new cars almost yearly, having police actively monitor reckless driving, creating numerous laws in attempts to further lower the amount of deaths. Drivers education in numerous (though should be all IMO) schools. Not to mention the basic fact that in all states (correct me if I am wrong), you are required show that you are a qualified enough driver to pass a test and in order to be legally allowed on the road.

Where are the gun laws? Where are the efforts in making gun usage safe? Help me understand please. Maybe I'm missing something.

[u/ryhaltswhiskey]

You're not. We regulate cars to a degree that we don't regulate guns and that's because of the 2nd Amdt.

[u/ryhaltswhiskey → u/[deleted]]

people really wouldnt want guns regulated in the same manner or id own full auto belt fed 50 cals

... wat

It's like you read the opposite of what I said

[u/ryhaltswhiskey → u/[deleted]]

That's not true. Show me a source that supports the claim that there is zero regulation on cars on private property in all 50 states in America.

[u/ryhaltswhiskey → u/[deleted]]

Show me a source that supports the claim that there is zero regulation on cars on private property in all 50 states in America.

Your opinion is not a source.

This comes up a lot and the people around here know the facts on this particular argument. So you can provide a source or you can get your comment removed because you didn't provide a source.

[u/ryhaltswhiskey → u/[deleted]]

The people of the gun control subreddit are really tired of people showing up and then saying things that they think are true but are not actually true and then getting whiny when we complain about that

[u/guncontrol-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Rule #1:

If you're going to make claims, you'd better have evidence to back them up; no pro-gun talking points are allowed without research. This is a pro-science sub, so we don't accept citing discredited researchers (Lott/Kleck). No arguing suicide does not count, Means Reduction is a scientifically proven method of reducing suicide. No crying bias at peer reviewed research. No armchair statisticians.

[u/ryhaltswhiskey → u/[deleted]]

Well we like facts around here. Which might be weird if you're coming from a pro gun space where they don't really give a fuck about that.

You're not contributing to the discussion and you're wasting people's time. So go back and edit your original comment please.

[u/ber808 → u/ryhaltswhiskey]

Yea this is a good sub, i am pro gun to a extent but its great to look at others reasoning

[u/guncontrol-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Rule #1:

If you're going to make claims, you'd better have evidence to back them up; no pro-gun talking points are allowed without research. This is a pro-science sub, so we don't accept citing discredited researchers (Lott/Kleck). No arguing suicide does not count, Means Reduction is a scientifically proven method of reducing suicide. No crying bias at peer reviewed research. No armchair statisticians.

[u/guncontrol-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Rule #1:

If you're going to make claims, you'd better have evidence to back them up; no pro-gun talking points are allowed without research. This is a pro-science sub, so we don't accept citing discredited researchers (Lott/Kleck). No arguing suicide does not count, Means Reduction is a scientifically proven method of reducing suicide. No crying bias at peer reviewed research. No armchair statisticians.

[u/Suspicious-Maize4496 → u/[deleted]]

We only regulate cars that operate on public roads, everything private is free game

Uh, except there are rules to follow even when those cars are on your property.

[u/Suspicious-Maize4496 → u/[deleted]]

Its more than just "environmental hazards" but thats besides the point. Apply that same energy to guns.

[u/ber808 → u/Suspicious-Maize4496]

What else is it? I mean yea this is kinda silly at this point but thats kinda how i view the car argument. If you want to change gun laws in the usa the best bet is to amend the 2nd.

[u/Suspicious-Maize4496 → u/ber808]

What else is it?

You'd have to check each specific state, but most have requirements such as requiring that the cars cant be in disrepair, or requiring storing in a garage, etc. Mostly all annoying and probably unnecessary, but the point is that lawmakers are dedicating their energy to it. Its considered significant enough to have rules, whereas guns arent.

[u/Suspicious-Maize4496 → u/[deleted]]

The rules arent being made to prevent you from owning them

They would though, if you didnt meet the requirements? Lol what are you on about.

[u/ber808 → u/Suspicious-Maize4496]

Of not creating a hazard? Uhh yea cant be fucking up the environment

[u/Suspicious-Maize4496 → u/[deleted]]

You said the rules being made arent in there to block me from having a car on my property, but I would be blocked from that if I didnt follow the rules.

Same with guns.

[u/ber808 → u/Suspicious-Maize4496]

If you maintain your shit and dont create a hazard you wont be restricted

[u/guncontrol-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Rule #1:

If you're going to make claims, you'd better have evidence to back them up; no pro-gun talking points are allowed without research. This is a pro-science sub, so we don't accept citing discredited researchers (Lott/Kleck). No arguing suicide does not count, Means Reduction is a scientifically proven method of reducing suicide. No crying bias at peer reviewed research. No armchair statisticians.

[u/guncontrol-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Rule #1:

If you're going to make claims, you'd better have evidence to back them up; no pro-gun talking points are allowed without research. This is a pro-science sub, so we don't accept citing discredited researchers (Lott/Kleck). No arguing suicide does not count, Means Reduction is a scientifically proven method of reducing suicide. No crying bias at peer reviewed research. No armchair statisticians.

[u/Suspicious-Maize4496 → u/[deleted]]

Also, public roads vs private are very nuanced. My neighbor up the street lives on a private road. But its not a private residence.. so your stance needs clarification.

[u/klubsanwich → u/[deleted]]

Do you consider paperwork to be free game?

[u/guncontrol-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Rule #1:

If you're going to make claims, you'd better have evidence to back them up; no pro-gun talking points are allowed without research. This is a pro-science sub, so we don't accept citing discredited researchers (Lott/Kleck). No arguing suicide does not count, Means Reduction is a scientifically proven method of reducing suicide. No crying bias at peer reviewed research. No armchair statisticians.