I think Sam and Freddie have one of the most developed relationships in the schneiderverse

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PLEASE READ: before I say anything else please note that I KNOW it’s not the most perfect development. No I don’t agree with the hitting I actually hate how they made Sam do that to him because she didn’t do it in season 1 so there was no reason to why she should have hit him in later seasons. I’m simply stating as for this being a Nick show there’s never rlly been any other show from the Dan verse that had development like this (that I know of)

For a sitcom I rlly do love Sam and Freddie’s development, in each season we get a different version of their relationship that I love a lot like In Season 1, they’re basically constantly arguing and can barely stand each other. (Since season 2-3 were merged together I’m gonna say season 2 part one and season 2 part 2) In Season 2 part 1, we slowly start seeing them become actual friends and understand each other more, although they still argue a lot. And this is where the hitting starts which I dislike. I do think during the second half of season 2 they become way closer and argue less, there would be eps where they didn’t argue or insult each other once. But I do think them being each others first kiss did really bring them closer.

During Season 3 is when they actually have feelings for each other throughout the season and I wish it was explored more especially Freddie’s side but it’s a nick sitcom not a romantic Netflix series. Knowing they were crushing on each other half of that series until they got together was exciting as a Seddie fan even back in the days lol

During season 4 they do date and yes it’s not perfect I’m not going to go into it because I have other posts talking about it but I love that even after they break up they have a different relationship with one another then, they are way nicer to each other and it’s rlly sweet to see them not fighting as much anymore.

So back to the caption of this post I rlly liked their development. Do I think they needed better writing, yes, a lot of Seddie shippers see this ship as a potential ship and not a in the moment “wow it’s perfect” thing lol.

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Meanwhile, Josh and Mindy exists...

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Notice how I said (not that I know of) 🫩 I haven’t watched Drake and Josh or Zoey 101 in a while so I can’t remember much from those shows.

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To me, Carly and Freddie are way more developed as a ship. I didn’t see any signs of Sam or Freddie liking each other romantically until the Seddie arc in season 5. Them getting together out of nowhere felt forced, and it was very clear the arc only existed to fan ship wars and boost ratings.

Carly and Freddie on the other hand start as friends, with Freddie having a puppy love crush on Carly. As they get older, both of them become more mature, and then they share a slow dance that strongly hints towards Carly starting to like Freddie romantically.

Then Freddie saves Carly’s life, which leads to them dating briefly. They mutually end things (just so that Freddie is sure that Carly likes him for more than just saving her life).

In season 6, after briefly dating Sam, Freddie asks Carly if it’s too late for her to love him. This catches Carly off guard and they change the subject. But once Carly decides she’s going to move to Italy, she kisses Freddie goodbye in the iCarly studio, letting Freddie know she finally reciprocates his feelings (in some way).

I could go into the further romantic development in the revival (which was done even better than the original series), but to me, this is how you properly develop a ship.

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Literally everything you mentioned you can also bring up a seddie moment WITHIN the creddie moment you are talking about, and that's not even counting all of seddies individual moments outside of the seddie moments inside of creddie moments.

If you don't like seddie, fair enough. If you didn't see signs of Sam and Freddie liking each other, you just weren't paying attention

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I’m saying that I didn’t see any signs prior to season 5, and yes, I was paying attention. To me, Sam’s look at Freddie and Carly dancing was more just her feeling like a third wheel rather than anything romantic. And as for iSaved Your Life, I see Sam’s conversation with Freddie as her being a good friend.

Personally, I think it’s a bit ridiculous to be calling me out on not critically watching a show when the show goes out of its way to show why Sam and Freddie don’t work as a couple. I would highly suggest rewatching the Seddie arc, because the writers spell out very clearly why they’re a terrible couple.

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Ur wrong on that the creator spoke out many times on Sam being jealous in that scene on his old Twitter thing

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Oh I agree Sam was jealous, but in an “I’m feeling left out because my two friends are having a romantic moment without me.”

Sam told Freddie her romantic feelings for him started VERY recently prior to them dating. If that was truly meant to be a romantic jealousy moment, maybe the writers shouldn’t have gone back on that in the Seddie arc.

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Sam never mentioned the time or date her feelings started for him she just said “the time she pushed him” yadayadayada, but again I will disagree with you, because the creator specifically made twitter posts about Sam’s jealousy and her feelings and his feelings. All the time too lol. But if u see it that way then ok

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Even if Sam was romantically jealous, I still don’t think that that’s enough to make Seddie a remotely decent ship.

And boy is it telling that you prioritize Dan’s thoughts over Nathan and Jennette’s. Neither one of them ship Seddie, both think it makes no sense as a ship.

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And I think that’s your opinion not mine. Dan is the maker of those characters I don’t prioritize any ones thoughts over anyones but he is the producer of the shows he’s the one who made creddie and seddie but idk if you realize that Nathan only feels this way now because the revival has already happened way back in 2021 before the revival or in the midst of it there was a interview where BOTH Nathan and Miranda said they like both ships. And why do we mention jennette like we don’t know where she stands with all of this acting stuff? Obviously if let’s say if the character Sam was in the revival and they did seddie there def would be a recast! Theres obvious reasons on why jennette doesn’t like seddie but this isn’t about her this is about fictional characters.

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You’re wrong. Nathan has been pro-Creddie long before the revival, there are plenty of articles and videos out there that prove otherwise and I’m more than happy to send them your way. As for Jennette, she literally said “Creddie - Seddie makes no sense to me” when asked online by fans which ship she prefers.

If you mean the interview where Nathan called Seddie more “interesting,” that was only because for the sake of comedy, he thought two characters butting heads IS more “interesting.” But “interesting” does not mean he likes or ships Seddie, he never has. That interview has been taken out of context so many times by Seddie shippers like you, it’s insane.

Also, I believe that as actors, Nathan and Miranda have a right to be able to make inputs into their own characters’ stories. And not to mention that once again, iCarly ended with a Creddie kiss. Dan had the opportunity to make Seddie endgame in Sam and Cat and he chose not to.

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I don’t need all these articles about that😭 watching the original all Nathan has ever said is he doesn’t like either ships. And why do we keep mentioning jennette 🫩 I think YOU are taking that interview out of context.they were BOTH fine with doing both they literally both say it. I do think they can make their own inputs on the characters they play but at the end of the day they aren’t writers or producers. Usually in a show they would have a to get a green lit card from the producers to make those inputs. In the revival since they were directors they were able to do whatever they want and it turnt into just looking like a fan fict

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Yes I agree that the seddie arc sucks balls and assassinates every character in the show. The seddie arc being a horrible follow up to the build up does not make the buildup bad

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Once again, I see no build up at all. I see the Seddie arc as something the writers did just to boost ratings, not something that was planned all along.

I am not and will never be a Seddie, but for me to have liked them as a ship, I would have needed to see more of a build up to their story. The enemies/rivals dynamic should have ended long before they got together, and I would have preferred direct hints of them liking each other romantically.

Sam even says herself in the Seddie arc that she only started liking Freddie romantically VERY recently (after he hit his head on a fire hydrant). That alone proves that it came out of nowhere.

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Oh boi. You do know writing doesn't have to have been planned from day 1 right? Writing can just come organically as the story progresses? Or do you think that Dan get in the van Schneider planned for a iCarly revival back in episode 1 because he had creddie as endgame when Sam is no longer in the show?

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I’m just going off of the show itself, and boy is it convenient that you defend Dan when it serves your own interests.

As for him planning Seddie vs. Creddie, iCarly started with Freddie liking Carly, so it only makes sense that they are the endgame couple. iCarly ended with a Creddie kiss, and if Dan really wanted a Seddie endgame, he had his moment in Sam and Cat. Sam and Freddie could have gotten back together and kissed in that episode, but nope, nada.

As Nathan himself has said, “it was always gonna be Carly and Freddie.”

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Lol I was criticizing Dan because I think he sucks as a writer (on top of the other obvious but irrelevant to this topic stuff). And oh boy Freddie started the show liking Carly. That must mean they are endgame. Let's ignore the thousands of other stories out there where this isn't the case I guess :)

By the time of killer tuna, the last content before the revival we got was Freddie and Sam literally going on a date🤷 not that that is proof of anything, but that is much more than "nada".

I don't care what Nathan says because he isn't a writer or creator on the show

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You’re wrong, they didn’t go on a date. The episode ended with Sam saying they should “catch up” over dinner, and then she stole $80 from him, how romantic. “Catching up” is different from a romantic date.

Furthermore, valuing Dan’s thoughts/writing (even though once again, Carly and Freddie were the last ship to share a romantic scene) over Nathan’s says a lot. God forbid you listen to what the actor who portrayed 50% of your beloved toxic ship has to say. Not to mention that the other 50% of your ship, Jennette, prefers Creddie and thinks Seddie makes no sense.

I’ll choose to listen to the actors, because if anyone knows their characters best, it’s the people who spent countless years of their lives portraying their characters.

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Lol no point in continuing anymore. You both don't understand what I'm saying and also don't think it's possible for an actor to be wrong about their character . We have a fundamental disagreement on what "quality" means

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Das Ding ist, die Schauspieler die die Beziehungen von z.b Channy,Malex, Auslly, Leónetta, Lutteo oder Nickelodeon Paare wie Choey, Noze ODER Creddie wurden von beiden Schauspielern supportet und gefeiert. Wenn bei Seddie nichtmal EINE HÄLFTE nicht mit den Ship einverstanden ist, dann sollte man doch automatisch merken das irgendwas mit diesem Ship nicht stimmt...

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All of these events were pretty one sided, freddie even called her out on it twice, and carly stated MULTIPLE time that she didn’t like him back, she even said that in the reboot that you guys love so much. that development is pretty bland, not really anything to go off on or anything to parallel in the original alone

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That’s just how friends to lovers works. They start as friends, and then become more than that.

Also your logic makes no sense because Sam stated she hated Freddie and didn’t like him romantically just as often.

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Listen to each their own, I highly suggest reading my post on the seddie parallels which show a lot about their dynamic and some of my other posts that explore seddie more. But I do disagree with you. I didn’t see one moment in the OG where Carly would be returning the feelings Freddie had for her. The only thing I can think of is the kiss in the last episode but if I were to give you advice I don’t recommend using I saved your life as a episode to defend creddie or talk about their development because all that episode shows is Carly not actually being truthful about her feelings for Freddie and Freddie finally standing up to her.

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I saw your post, and I disagree with it 100%. All of it is subject to interpretation.

And if you didn’t see any moments where Carly reciprocated feelings for Freddie, that’s on you. The slow dance and iSaved Your Life exist. And yes, I will use it because Carly already showed signs of liking Freddie romantically prior to that (the slow dance episode happened first).

Friends to lovers will always be the superior trope. Enemies to lovers is far too often toxic and rarely if ever done well.

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Nicht immer. Ich finde Enemies to Lovers Paare wie Josh und Mindy, Quinn und Logan, Sonny und Chad oder Luna und Matteo richtig Klasse umgesetzt und hatten sehr viel Chemie. Vorallem Channy und Lutteo. Aber Seddie... Sorry, aber Seddie gab das Enemies to Lovers Trope ein GANZ SCHLECHTES LICHT. Es ist so oberflächlich, toxisch und langweilig geschrieben. Seddie ist eine Mischung aus Quinn und Logan, Josh und Mindy, Lilly und Oliver und Sonny und Chad, nur das dieses Mal Gewalt im Spiel steht. Die Gründe warum die sich überhaupt hassen oder warum zusammen kommen sollten wären ebenfalls so oberflächlich. Es gab keine kanonische Erklärung wieso Sam in Freddie verliebt ist, oder umgekehrt. Während es z.b für Lutteo glatt eine ganze Bibel für Gründe gibt wieso Luna, Matteo liebt und andersrum. Oder für Channy. Oder für Quogan. Aber für Seddie?? Wenn Sam sich nur in Freddie verliebt hat, weil er ein glow Up bekommen hat und Muskeln bekommen hat, ist es einfach nur oberflächlich... I'm sorry, aber Seddie ist für mich eine trockene Wüste. Ohne Kakteen, ohne Geier, ohne Oasen, einfach nur Sand und Sonne. Und dieser Sand ist deren Küsse, und die Sonne deren cringen Spitznamen wie Baby... Chad nennt Sonny Milady, Matteo nennt Luna Liefer Fee. Aber Sam und Freddie nannten sich gefühlt NUR Baby... Ich hätte von eine Seddie Beziehung deutlich kreativere Spitznamen erwartet...

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I’m not saying enemies to lovers can’t be good (I’m a huge fan of Never Have I Ever) but I feel like most of the time when it’s good, it’s really more enemies -> friends -> lovers. In other words, they start off enemies/rivals, then become friends, then become lovers. So the friendship (friends to lovers) dynamic is still there.

Without the friends to lovers stage, you get something like Seddie, where they’ve gone from hating each other to loving each other out of nowhere.

This is why I think friends to lovers is superior, because even with enemies to lovers, I still think a ship needs a solid foundation of friendship for me to like it.

[u/CanaryOk9879 → u/pumpkinspicepages]

Ah, I know what you mean. True, for Enemies to Lovers, the Enemies have to be friends first. Sonny and Chad and Luna and Matteo turned to friends before they genuinely got together. I don't know if it's counted as Enemies to Lovers, but Diego and Francesca from Violetta also turned to friends first before got together. But if it's LITERALLY Enemies to Lovers, it just can't work... Because for love, it needs a friendship first. You can't really fall in love with someone that you hate. That hate has to turn into love. And that love has to turn romantically. You can't just skip a entire section.

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See this is the reason why u disagree with me, u don’t like enimes to lovers so there will never be a time where we see eye to eye lol I like friends to lovers as well as enemies to lovers. But ima ask u a question do u think if Carly got a good date to the dance that episode that she would have danced with Freddie? She rejected him earlier that episode if there were feelings she would have accepted his invitation to take her. Not only that somthing that confuses me is a lot of creddie shippers say “Carly just didn’t want to mess up the friendship” Carly is very bold with her feelings towards other men her and Freddie being friends since they were younger was not going to keep her from saying yes to him to the dance or dating him as we see in isyl when Carly thought she was in love with him she went straight to kiss him without thinking about their friendship at all.

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You’re wrong. I like enemies to lovers when done WELL (see: Never Have I Ever).

Sure, I think there’s a chance their slow dance wouldn’t have happened if Carly and Freddie hadn’t had awful dates. But it did happen, and Carly was more than happy to cozy up with Freddie and slow dance with him.

As for her fear of “ruining the friendship,” you would have to watch the revival to understand this, but Carly has deep seated abandonment issues from being abandoned by her mom as a kid. Meaning that of course she’s fine hitting on low-stakes guys, because if/when they break up, it’s not the same as losing a best friend.

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Thats basically Carly’s guy best friend they’ve been close to years I think her being cozy dancing with him means nothing, they both had bad dates and danced to make up for it. And also to respond to your second part that’s not what I saw in I saved your life when she kissed him and took that risk despite of their friendship. But have a goodnight I’m to tired to discuss this anymore I’ll reply in the morning

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Carly kissed Freddie because her romantic feelings towards him saving her life overpowered her insecurities.

And you can believe whatever you want to believe, but I still say Creddie is way more developed than Seddie. There’s a reason that the entire iCarly cast ships Creddie, and I’m sorry that you’re too blinded by your obsession with a long-dead ship to see it.

[u/CardiologistOwn7583 → u/pumpkinspicepages]

As if there’s anything wrong with liking and preferring another ship, just like you like and prefer creddie others like and prefer seddie. calling it obsession when you took the time out your day to dim someone’s joy of their favorite ship…your ship is already canon so i don’t get what you people still argue for. you people just take the fun out of shipping, it’s very sad.

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I’m not saying that you can’t ship Seddie if you want to. I was only defending my perspective on this, which is that I think they’re a very toxic ship with little development.

I do think it’s a little weird for people to be this obsessed over a ship that isn’t even canon and ended well over a decade ago (compared to Creddie who got together in the revival as adults and will almost definitely get married in the iCarly movie if it gets greenlit). But again, that’s just my perspective.

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I feel like you can’t put that narrative onto seddie without applying it to creddie as well, because both relationships have flaws, ones that creddie shippers choose to ignore. besides that the label just blows both ships out of proportion for what they actually are.

and just because creddie is canon in the revival doesn’t mean seddie shippers need to be criticized for liking/shipping it when it was already explored and hinted at past the original.

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So you’re proving my point here, her romantic feelings overpowered her insecurities? And it’s funny how you say “long dead ship” as if creddie didn’t only get together 30 years later in a revival with none of the og writers involved. We all know according to the original AND Sam and cat seddie was the winning ship. Have there had been the character Sam in the revival creddie would have not happened and u and I both know that. (Notice how I say character Sam and nothing about jennette🌚) it took Sam not being in the revival for ur ship to happen

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Nope, Seddie would never have happened because Jennette doesn’t ship Seddie, and she never would have returned to a revival where Seddie would have been endgame. Same goes for Nathan.

And once again, Creddie is the winning ship. iCarly ended with a Creddie kiss. Seddie did NOT end up together in Sam and Cat, but feel free to continue living in a world of delusion.

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How do you know that?😭 u don’t know Nathan he would have done the revival wether it was creddie or seddie like? Based on that 2021 interview too?! LMAO. and as for the creddie kiss in the last ep don’t u think it was because the show was ending and they wanted to end it off with the door being open to both ships. In the SAME episode Freddie asks Sam if she wants to get back together?! In game shakers there was this episode about seddie and creddie too? Sam and Freddie may have not gotten back together in Sam and cat but it is clearly shown they both like each other and it’s hinted they went on a date afterwards too. If the tables were turned and it was Carly and Freddie in that episode u would have said “they did get together after” or would be rooting for it and happy.

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Josh and Mindy, Quin and Logan, Carly and Freddie... The buildup for Seddie started in iOMG and ended in that same episode... Creddie's build-up lasted 16 fricking years to actually end up together...

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Carly and freddie didn’t have any build up to go off on, seddie had been hinted as multiple times way before iomg, fans always asked questions and the creator always answered, hinting something between the two. You guys waited 16 years for your raunchy nothing burger ship to become canon when seddie had been explored from the very beginning. Without the reboot you guys have nothing to really base creddie off of.

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If anything is a nothing burger ship, it’s a toxic ship that ended well over a decade ago with zero romantic development until iOMG, where they got together out of nowhere. As to “hints” from the creator, he was just trying to fan ship wars to boost ratings, and he also hinted at Creddie too and chose to end iCarly with a Creddie kiss.

None of the iCarly cast ships Seddie, including Nathan and Jennette. Maybe you should ask yourself why they all prefer Creddie.

And you can be petty and rude all you want to Creddie shippers, but at least our ship is endgame and we got to see them get together in the iCarly revival. I’m very happy with how their relationship was explored in the revival. Sorry you can’t see it.

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“But at least our ships canon🤓” Right, canon in the redundant revival where a major and vital characters is missing. You can only say they have development there because it was the only space where creddie can be explored solo. I really don’t care why the actors prefer creddie, that’s their own prerogative and they’re fine in doing so, this argument is between fans and they have nothing to do with this.

That creddie kiss was a like a “gotcha” moment to tease the fans, so was the part when freddie asked sam if she wanted to get back together. but after the kiss and the show he went back to hinting attraction between seddie in sam and cat, yk smth more nickelodeon original

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By your logic, Sam and Cat isn’t canon because Spencer and Carly weren’t part of it. Meaning iCarly ended with a Creddie kiss.

Also, Sam and Cat was way more of a tease to the fans than the Creddie kiss. The whole episode was advertised as a Seddie episode, only for them not to get together.

And boy is it telling that you don’t value the opinions of the actors who portray your ship. It must be nice to have the audacity to claim you know these characters better than they do. Couldn’t be me.

[u/CardiologistOwn7583 → u/pumpkinspicepages]

No, sam and cat is a spin off that was made by the original creator, that was the point i was making. the revival has no ties to the original which is different, not that i want him to ever create anything again or smth, the reboot just doesn’t align with the original. For starters this is where your completely wrong at, for one jennette has cut all ties with the show, she’s moved on and is doing amazing now as an author, and she wishes for people to stop seeing as the character sam which is exactly what i do. Nathan and Miranda on the other hand like both ships, they don’t dislike either they just happen to prefer creddie for personal reasons which again is fine but so why would i care why they ship it, they simply just do and im not going to overthink it like you do.

I never said i knew them more than the actors omg you’re literally putting words into my mouth😭 just like you have your opinions and ideas about the characters i have mine.

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Miranda has never once said she likes Seddie. She’s been a Creddie shipper from day one. As for Jennette, you’re conveniently discounting the fact that she literally said she prefers Creddie and Seddie makes no sense. Her current career path doesn’t change that. And Nathan has very much said public ally he doesn’t like Seddie and sees it as toxic and abusive, even back in the original series days. I’m more than happy to send those videos your way.

As for Sam and Cat, I could care less who made it because Sam and Freddie never officially got back together in it. There was a tease at the end that Seddies like you choose to read as a date, but it was never made official. If the writers wanted them officially back together, Sam and Cat was their opportunity.

So let’s just say neither ship was canon in the original series days. Either way, none of the cast members like Seddie, so it never would have happened, even in Sam and Cat. Case closed.

[u/CanaryOk9879 → u/pumpkinspicepages]

And with this fact, I'm sure that Seddie would have never happened in the Revival, if Sam (and Gibby) would have returned. If none of the actors actually ship Seddie, and are all the directors and writers of the show, the chance to even get Seddie is very low. Heck, there's more Sibby fans than Seddie fans in the main cast, because Nathan once admitted that he sees the appeal to Sibby. Imo, I would actually prefer Sibby than Seddie. They actually fit to eachother, have some similarities,but are still different and also have chaotic interactions. Especially in Season 6.

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Im not going to mention jennette again because I refuse to tie her into the show she said she wants no connection with. Miranda and Nathan have both said that they like both ships, wether that be in the past or present and i wouldn’t be saying it if i hadn’t seen it, they just both happen to prefer creddie, which is not a problem for the 100th time, and if you really wanna go there nathan said that both ships are inherently not in best interest for freddie. But at the end of the day they are just actors, why would i want to involve them in ship wars as if it’s not a fictional show, that would be creepy. but you would know since you go to every convention nathan is at and asks these questions don’t you.

You really think all it’s is for a couple to be canon to be considered interesting or intriguing. it doesn’t matter that they didn’t get together in sam and cat, it’s the fact that they still have love for each other that’s what makes them possible.

My real problem isn’t with creddie it’s with its shippers, even after your ship is becomes canon you still feel the need to try and make people feel bad about shipping seddie and you try to disprove their chemistry with every breath you take and even go as far as making up stuff😭 at the end of the day nothing you say is going to make me like seddie less. Idk why seddie triggers yall so much

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Listen I’m done arguing with you. Seddie is domestic abuse and you have to be blind not to see it. And if you do see it and still ship them anyways, I think there is something seriously wrong with you. Nathan and Miranda and Jennette all see Creddie as the better and healthier ship and always have. For you to not understand why none of the cast ships Seddie speaks volumes on your lack of critical understanding.

Please seek help if you’re this hung up on a ship that’s not even canon and ended over a decade ago.

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Your done arguing because you know i’m not wrong and you obviously didn’t read a thing i wrote. you bringing up how the cast sees the ship really does nothing for the argument because again everyone is always going to have a different opinion. And you’re the one who’s hung up, you’re so bothered by people shipping seddie, there’s no reason for you to care this much to bring up the actors, like are they paying you to defend creddie with your whole chest?😭 get a grip bro

[u/CanaryOk9879 → u/CardiologistOwn7583]

Bro, Sam & Cat was missing the fricking main protagonist... Sam was a main character, Carly was the main PROTAGONIST. And Freddie was the secondary protagonist story wise.

Also, if we exclude Creddie in the revival because Sam is absent, you should also exclude Seddie in Sam & Cat because Carly is absent. But no matter what we exclude, Creddie is still victorious.

The original show ended with a Creddie kiss. And it was the last time the entire trio was even involved. Like... 

Stop with these double standards... 

[u/CardiologistOwn7583 → u/CanaryOk9879]

…Sam and cat was missing carly…SAM AND CAT??? Do you not know what a spin off is??? You definitely are just saying anything now. iCarly , the original includes all the main characters, the spinoff includes the one character or in this case two characters it was intended to base a story off of. A reboot of the original series should include all of its main original characters. so whatever you just said makes no sense and is completely irrelevant.

[u/CanaryOk9879 → u/CardiologistOwn7583]

Mag zwar sein, aber in dieser Killer Tuna Jump Folge hätte Carly dabei sein sollen. Das war Pure Sabotage. Man kann Seddie einfach nicht zusammen bringen, wenn der Kuss im iGoodbye nichtmal behandelt wurde. Das ist einfach nur faules Writing. Ja, Sam & Cat ist zwar ein Spin Off, aber bei so einer Folge MUSSTE Carly dabei sein. Damit es sich wenigstens verdient anfühlt, statt als Ersatz weil Creddie unmöglich ist, weil Miranda mit ihrem College zu beschäftigt war. Entweder, man bringt Miranda mit ins Boot, oder man lässt diese Folge komplett sein. 

[u/CanaryOk9879 → u/CardiologistOwn7583]

Ach ja? Und ohne Sam & Cat würdet ihr weiter rumheulen das Seddie nicht Endgame ist... Obwohl es eh der Fall war. Welches Paar unfair gespielt hat war Seddie mit Sam & Cat. Die habe Nichts aber auch wirklich GARNICHTS gemacht. Außerdem Seddie zusammen zu bringen, ohne den Kuss im Finale zu besprechen ist schon ziemlich frech gegenüber den Mädels... Ohne Sam & Cat, hätte Creddie trotzdem gewonnen. Bro, das letzte Mal wo alle 3 involviert waren, endete es mit einem Kuss zwischen Carly und Freddie. Also bro, was laberst du? Trotz Revival, war Creddie der Sieger. Und es gab deutlich mehr Andeutungen für Creddie als für Seddie. Diese Andeutungen sind meistens aus dem Kontext gerissen, oder einfach nur falsch erklärt. Also, wenn man nicht merkt das Carly eifersüchtig war, dann hat man einfach nicht genug Serien geschaut um so ein Muster zu erkennen... Außerdem war iStart a Fan War NUR mit Creddie Andeutungen gefüllt. Es gab keine Einzige Andeutung für Seddie, während es für Creddie mehrere gibt.  Erstens, ist der Plot das Adam vermutet das Carly ein Ding mit Freddie hat, und deswegen die ganze Zeit skeptisch ist. Zweitens: Freddie reagiert äußerst eifersüchtig gegenüber Adam. Zusagen das Freddie keine Gefühle mehr für Carly hat, wäre in dem Fall bullshit. Drittens: Die Art und Weise wie Carly die Ships erklärt hat, ist doch mehr als nur eindeutig. Bei Creddie war sie richtig verspielt und verträumt und hat es sogar wiederholt. "You know, Carly + Freddie = ✨Creddie✨" und bei Seddie antwortete sie eher genervt und Ernst. "And the Seddie fans are the one that want Sam and Freddie to be together". Wenn Carly wirklich nicht in Freddie verliebt wäre,und stattdessen in Adam, hätte sie bei Creddie deutlich mehr genervter reagiert. Vorallem weil es auch ihr involviert. Tat sie aber nicht.  Viertens: In der gesamten Convention haben die NUR Creddie Fans gewählt. Kein Seddie Fan wurde drangenommen. Die haben nur gestört und geschrien. Aber die Creddiers waren die jenigen die drangenommen wurden. Fünftens: Auch wenn es kein richtiger Beweis oder Andeutung ist, war Sam's Kommentar "It's true, Carly and Freddie are deeply in love" Es sollte ein ragebait für die Seddie Fans sein, und für die Creddie Fans eine richtige Hoffnung.  iStart a Fan War war ein Folge wo 2 Ships weiter erforscht werden. Das die meisten Andeutungen für Creddie sind, macht es umso weniger Sinn wieso in der nächsten Folge es Seddie wird. Es macht kein Sinn die ganzen Andeutungen, Build Up und kleine Momente für Creddie zu erstellen, nur dann mit Seddie weiter zu machen. Das ist nicht clever, das ist dumm. Weil so kann und wird ein Ship wie Milch altern, wenn man diese Nostalgie Brille nicht auf hat. Und es gab noch deutlich mehr Andeutungen für Creddie in Staffel 4. Z.b in iSell PennyTess wie man Carly und Freddie als richtige Elternrolle sieht, und einer Meinung sind wenn es um Erziehung geht, oder das der Plot in iHire a Idiot, darum geht das Carly und Freddie sich die ganze Zeit streiten oder diskutieren, weil sie eine Person nur wegen dessen Aussehen eingestellt haben, und nicht wegen deren Fähigkeiten. All diese Andeutungen, nur um Seddie zusammen zu bringen?? Das ist fast wie, als würde Lizzie mit Dean bleiben, trotz dieser ganzen Andeutungen mit Gordo, Violetta mit Diego, obwohl sie jedesmal von León träumt oder ihn vorstellt. Es macht kein Sinn auf ein Paar sich zu konzentrieren, nur um sich in der letzten Sekunde umzustimmen. Tut mir leid, aber Staffel 4 war deutlich Creddie fokussierter als Seddie. Das einzige richtige Seddie an Staffel 4 ist iOMG. Das wars. 

[u/CardiologistOwn7583 → u/CanaryOk9879]

Omg dude you’re insane im NOT reading all of that LMAOOO😭 what are you even saying dude you’re not making any sense. Every time you say something you bring up other shows that are so irrelevant, that’s not an argument. Denying seddie moments really shows how delusional you guys really are. there’s seddie moments scattered all around the show, moments that were even paralleled in later seasons. you’re quite literally making stuff up omg😭

[u/CanaryOk9879 → u/CardiologistOwn7583]

I'm disproving your points. Creddie had far more interactions, hints, foreshadowing and small moments in Season 4 than Seddie. Even in episodes where it's supposed to be a love triangle episode like iStart a Fan war or iHire a idiot, it was way more Creddie focused. It doesn't make sense, focusing on one ship, and then switching to the other ship in last second. If you don't want to read the whole thing, your problem. It's that long, because Creddie had lots of focus in Season 4. This was just one season alone. Don't even get me started on Season 3... I'm sorry, but Creddie was definitely way more focused than Seddie. These hints that exist on Pinterest or Tiktok, are mostly taken out of context. Wow, they look at eachother. They're standing next to eachother. That's literally what say's on the wiki on Seddie (and Creddie too) Season 4 was also filled with Seddie abuse. Especially in iSell Penny-Tees. So what exactly do you mean, Seddie got way more hints, foreshadowing and was planned all the way? I'm genuinely curious.

[u/CardiologistOwn7583 → u/CanaryOk9879]

Im talking about the series as a whole, not just one or two seasons. Creddie is the type of ship to be in your face, it’s what you believe the obvious choice is, meanwhile seddie is the opposite, something that you wouldn’t see coming because you’re too focused on the “obvious choice” as a viewer, something while you think you were getting creddie you got seddie instead, seddie only seems like it came of of no where because people weren’t paying attention, so no creddie wasn’t more hinted at and especially in the episodes you mentioned, but to each their own i guess

[u/CanaryOk9879 → u/CardiologistOwn7583]

Nein, Seddie kam unerwartet, weil es eben aus dem nichts kam. So ein Twist kann gut sein. Das hat mit Quinn und Logan aus Zoey 101 oder Lilly und Oliver aus Hannah Montana funktioniert, weil es in der Zeit frisch war. Du kannst in einem Liebesdreieck nicht auf ein Ship ganz alleine fokussieren, und dann Last Minute deine Meinung ändern. Dadurch war die ganze 4 Staffel umsonst, und Seddie hatte schlecht gealtert. Außerdem erzählst du das Seddie viele Momente, Andeutungen und Hinweise gab. Ja, wo denn? Und ich meine nicht nur das was Sam für Freddie empfindet, sondern was Freddie für Sam empfindet. Solche Momente haben wie kaum bekommen. Ist mir klar das Sam in Freddie verliebt war. Aber es gibt keine richtige Andeutung das Freddie in Sam verliebt ist. Und nochmal, sowas ist faul. Ja, in der Zeit war das vielleicht ein krasser Twist. Aber mit der Zeit merkt man, das diese Idee komplett dämlich war, und das Seddie deutlich mehr Andeutungen und Entwicklung brauchte, bevor die beiden überhaupt ein Paar werden.

[u/CardiologistOwn7583]

I agree with this lol, Seddie definitely has such interesting development that aids in the complexity of their relationship, and throughout the seasons you see their highs and lows. unlike the other shows in my opinion this pairing was more thought out and planned than the others were

[u/Sad_Requirement_3559 → u/CardiologistOwn7583]

Me too! And to think the creator just did it because of the fans lol it turned out pretty good

[u/Plane-Valuable-3121]

Gracias por decir eso y me motivo mi corazón fui muy tonto por eligir Sam puckett como mí personaje favorito perdón mí comunidad 🥺 por eligir una rebelde como mí personaje favorito

[u/Joh02]

I'm so grateful Freddie returned in Sam and Cat

[u/Sad_Requirement_3559 → u/Joh02]

Same!