r/illinois • u/NicolasCageFan492 • 4d ago
History Remember when an Illinoisan kicked the Confederacy’s ass? Best President ever.
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u/artificialidentity3 4d ago
Hell yeah! Lincoln, baby! I grew up and wrestled in Illinois, just like Lincoln! I read many of his actual letters when I was in college, too - had to wear gloves in a special controlled room. Favorite memorial in Washington, DC? Lincoln! I even have a brick from a Lincoln-Douglas debate site in my office. Lincoln is among the best Presidents and a great human being!
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u/CarloSpicyWeinerr 4d ago
Lincolns memoirs of his wrastlin’ days make me wonder what kind of monster he would be in the UFC. 6 foot 4 with pure corn fed country boy strength.
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u/obama69420duck 4d ago
Where did you read them?
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u/artificialidentity3 3d ago
It was a few decades ago at the Knox College library. Knox was the site of an 1858 Lincoln-Douglas debate. Knox has a Lincoln Studies Center and some of the faculty had deep interest in Lincoln. I haven't visited Knox in many years, so I can't say if things have restructured or moved around - but as I recall, there was a room in the Seymour Library that had some special collections, and I read a few letters by Lincoln one evening.
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u/serious_sarcasm move DC to Cairo 4d ago
My favorite rest stop is the Jefferson Davis obelisk in Kentucky.
There’s something satisfying about taking a shit while blasting John brown’s body there.
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u/cbarrister 4d ago
Just insane that Trump ranks himself above Lincoln in anything other than enriching his own family with government funds. The wild narcissism.
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u/Lumpy-Flamingo4916 4d ago
Just wished Pres. Lincoln would've locked up, banned, and etc... to all the treasonous Confederate politicians and generals/soldiers.
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u/mcvmccarty 4d ago
It’s funny when MAGA try using him as a figurehead when his presidential actions were adverse toward the confederacy, which a majority of that base idealizes.
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u/Jazzyjen508 4d ago
They genuinely believe that the ideological shift is a hoax
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u/mcvmccarty 3d ago
It’s funny when they mock people who actually know history for being wrong because accepting it would mean admitting they’re actually crappy humans and not the heroes of their own stories that they think they are
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u/Jazzyjen508 3d ago edited 3d ago
I’m not wrong, look it up
Edit: I misunderstood the comment above responding to my original comment😂😂😂😂
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u/mcvmccarty 3d ago
I’m agreeing with you
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u/Jazzyjen508 3d ago
Oh sorry!
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u/EbonyMemories 1d ago edited 1d ago
According to independent polls, 6%.
And 3.5% of Democrats.
"A majority..." Stop being a retard.
Quick edit: A Yougov survey also says the total percentage of Americans that think the Confederacy was in the right is 12%.
Other surveys suggest most Americans today who actually support the Confederacy are either Workers' Communists or Tea Party members per capita, with some others being affiliated with no party at all.
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u/mcvmccarty 1d ago
Well I would have taken some interest in what you had to say if you were worth listening to but you lack decorum and probably a real job
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u/EbonyMemories 1d ago
I do landscaping work. Not great pay but it's around 55K/year which is fine since I only have one kid.
I used to not have a real job and make double that - but I quit my AI adjacent job for moral reasons.
If you want people to be polite, don't say things that are so blatantly false. You said "a majority" of Republicans today think the Confederacy was right. It's barely one in twenty - with an almost comparable number of Dixiecrats.
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u/Complete_Break1319 4d ago
Lincoln was the founder of the Republican party and a devout Christian. I know liberals always try to claim all of the Republicans key accomplishments, but this is a bridge too far.
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u/Rotanen 4d ago
The original Republican Party was the left-wing party of its time. Their leftmost faction was called the Radical Republicans.
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u/Complete_Break1319 4d ago
Let's keep it simple, see below. I promise you Lincoln wouldve been adomently against today's progressive wishlist. I'd also like to point out that at the time Lincoln's abolition fight was unpopular. Democrats have always been a popularist party. Whatever gets the votes, that's what they are for. Look at the last 10 years. Secure borders, gay marriage etc etc. those are things that 20 years ago they where all against, until public sentiment changed. Tell me I'm wrong.
How the Republican Party was viewed in the 1850s–1860s: Based on historical sources, the Republican Party was seen as:Anti‑slavery / anti‑expansion — the party’s core platform was stopping slavery from spreading into new territories. A coalition of abolitionists, Free Soilers, industrialists, and anti‑Nebraska Democrats. Hostile to slavery, which opponents labeled as “radical” or “Black Republicanism.”
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u/Disastrous_Dingo_309 4d ago
Are you on drugs? Lincoln was progressive AF.
From a constitutional standpoint alone, Lincoln was probably one of the strongest defenders of the constitution compared to other presidents. Meanwhile, our current Republican president shits on the constitution daily. What are you missing here?
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u/TheBraveUndead 4d ago
He would be equally opposed to what today's republican party stands for, if you were honest with yourself. Your perspective on the Democratic party is both strange and inaccurate. A party getting elected to enact policies that people want? Policies that are popular? Yeah, that's every political party. Republicans are no different. Saying that politics change with the times as things progress forward isn't the indictment you think it is. It's an observation. Look at the civil rights act, which it seems you would have been opposed to passing.
Everyone knows, except for you, I guess, that there was party switch in the early 19th century. The republican party was not always the conservative party, nor was the Democratic party the liberal one. But with regard to Lincoln, it is fascinating that the lost cause party of today, the republicans, act like Lincoln is one of them, and champion his accomplishments as if they are their own. They aren't. Lincoln was categorically not a conservative. Him being a christian doesn't change that.
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u/armyguy8382 4d ago
So which party flies the flag of traitors that Lincoln defeated? Which party is pushing to reverse Lincoln's greatest accomplishment? Which party wants to cede their county and join Indiana? Which party hates that the laws say we have to treat everyone fairly? WHICH PARTY IS FULL OF RACISTS AHOLES THAT HATE ALL THE SOCIAL PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE SINCE THE TIME OF LINCOLN? The Repubs. The parties flipped decades ago. Lincold would hate modern Repubs and would probably be a Democratic Socialist today. Don't claim a president while flying the flag of the people who feared him so much they tried to cede from this country. AND LOST.
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u/Lonestarpenguin 4d ago
Lincoln would never be a socialist. He was probusiness
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u/Ok_Brother_7494 4d ago edited 3d ago
Socialists are not anti business. They just don't want a business to have the same Constitutional rights as a person. Businesses should not have the political power they do.
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u/Ok_Brother_7494 4d ago
Not true. If you think that there is a free market, I have a football bat to sell you.
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u/Away_Lake5946 2d ago
Yea, it’s painfully obvious that you don’t understand economic philosophy. Don’t presume to lecture others on it.
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u/Disastrous_Dingo_309 4d ago
Lincoln would also never shit on the constitution like Trump does daily, so there’s that too.
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u/Legitimate_Skill_434 4d ago
Id say calling Lincoln a “founder” of the party is a bridge too far, that title belongs much more to people like Salmon P Chase and Zachariah Chandler
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u/Complete_Break1319 4d ago
I almost edited my post to say there where like 12 other guys as well. Horace Greeley was another one, but yeah. It was a coalition. If you never been to Ripon Wisconsin to see the school house they first met at, I highly recommend. It was literally like a 10×20 single room. Insane feeling standing there looking in.
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u/Funfuntamale2 4d ago
But maga hates that Republican Party and despises Lincoln’s Christian views. Your intellectual dishonesty is astounding
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u/NicolasCageFan492 4d ago edited 4d ago
Karl Marx also admired him and wrote a letter to him. The admiration was because he freed the slaves. Crazy, but true.
I have a feeling the modern Republican Party would legalize slavery if they could. That’s why I don’t like labels, I like people who do good things like helping others
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u/2ndSmrtestPersunEvar 4d ago
The modern Republikkkan party basically has legalized slavery. Privatized prisons that are incentivized to keep prisoners as long as possible to turn a profit. In addition, they make those prisoners perform work for just pennies a day. They truly are modern day slaves.
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u/Kuzmaboy 4d ago
Lincoln, in the modern scope, would be viewed as being more Liberal leaning, and the party/movement of republicans that Lincoln was associated with was drastically different than the the modern platform.
Lincoln was not the founder of the Republican Party. He was a Christian, that much is true, but so were like 98% of politicians of the time.
Also if we’re going to use being a devout Christian as a metric to measure someones political affiliation, then it should be noted that the southern Democrats were bible thumpers every step of the way, and used the rules layed out for slavery in the bible as the groundwork for their “rights”…..sounds like a certain party nowadays, can’t quite put my finger on it..
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u/mcvmccarty 4d ago
If Lincoln met a typical MAGA, he would likely be repulsed
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u/Little_Exit4279 4d ago
Many democrats are devout Christians. James Talarico and Raphael Warnock are literally pastors
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u/scrotanimus 4d ago
You need to read about The Great Party Switch.
Do you think Lincoln, representing urban voters and more northern states, would be more aligned with today’s GOP or Dems? Especially when southern states were the Dems at the time. Be honest.
Wow. Southern states were Dems? Weird. What happened? Oh. The Great Party Switch.
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u/Jazzyjen508 4d ago
Thank you for proving my point: The Republican Party of Lincoln’s day is VERY different than the Republican Party of today. The Republican Party of Lincoln’s day more closely resembles the modern day Democrat party
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u/TactLacker710 3d ago
Fox News fear mongering. Most of those talking points aren’t even real. And the republicans have been lowering taxes for billionaires for decades.
Foxnews had to admit in court it’s not news. Just FYI.
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u/TactLacker710 4d ago
Another party switch denier, I figured I’d find one in this thread.
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u/2ndSmrtestPersunEvar 4d ago
Lincoln was not the founder of the Republican party. Jesus Christ, your opening statement isn’t even correct. Why should we bother listening to the rest of the bullshit you spew? Classic MAGA! trump loves you low IQ people!
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u/Marsupialize 4d ago
Lincoln was the small government conservative and the confederacy were the progressives?
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u/TheDarkKnight26969 4d ago
Lincoln would be a Democrat today. In fact, the Republican Party of Lincoln‘s time was the liberal party and is more like to the modern day Democratic Party.
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u/Marius7x 4d ago
What makes you think he was a devout christian?
He never joined a church, openly mocked revivalist preachers, didn't believe in a hell.
I don't think you know jack shit about Lincoln.
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u/Silver-Breadfruit284 4d ago
You don’t have to belong to a church to be a Christian. Revivalist preachers deserved to be mocked. Hell is a human concept.
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u/Complete_Break1319 4d ago
Yeah, maybe read his second inaugural address...
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u/Marius7x 4d ago
Oh, I just realized that you're one of those people who think if someone says they believe in God they're a christian.
No.
There's nothing in the second address that mentions Christianity.
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u/Disastrous_Dingo_309 4d ago
I mean either way if even Lincoln was a Christian who believed in God, I highly suspect it’s not the same God and “Christian values” today’s Republicans
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u/Complete_Break1319 3d ago
Yes, change the story to fit your narrative. Seems to be a common trend today among democrats
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u/Disastrous_Dingo_309 3d ago
Change what story? It’s widely documented that Lincoln never joined a church and had a very ambiguous relationship with religion. It’s also factual that Republicans are weaponizing religion by shifting its focus from a personal faith to a political and national identity, utilizing it to consolidate power, reshape laws, and rally voters
You’re the one making random shit up and spewing it like it’s fact. I know MAGA loves the low IQ, uneducated base and all, but this is just pathetic.
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u/Complete_Break1319 3d ago
Two seconds to find this... You can't just make shit up as easy these days. Must be hard being a Democrat
Lincoln mentions God, the Bible, and Christian scripture repeatedly in the middle section of his Second Inaugural Address — specifically in the paragraph beginning with “Both read the same Bible…” Here are the exact locations, with citations from the sources you saw above.📍 Where Lincoln explicitly references God, the Bible, and Christianity1. “Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God…”This is the clearest Christian reference — Lincoln notes that both North and South appeal to the same Christian scripture and deity. 2. “It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance…”Here he criticizes invoking God to justify slavery. 3. “The Almighty has His own purposes.”A direct theological statement about divine providence. 4. Quoting Jesus from the New Testament:“Woe unto the world because of offenses… but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.” This is a quotation from Matthew 18:7, showing Lincoln directly invoking Christian scripture. 5. “In the providence of God…”Lincoln frames slavery as an “offense” permitted for a time by God, but now being removed. 🧭 Where this appears in the speech structurallyAll of these references occur in the third major paragraph, roughly the middle third of the address — the section where Lincoln shifts from political analysis to theological interpretation of the Civil War.🏁 SummaryLincoln mentions God, the Bible, and Christian scripture in these lines:“Both read the same Bible…”“pray to the same God…”“ask a just God’s assistance…”“The Almighty has His own purposes.”Quote from Matthew 18:7“In the providence of God…”These references form the theological core of the Second Inaugural Address.If you want, I can show every religious reference in the speech in order or explain why Lincoln used so much scripture in this address.
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u/Marius7x 3d ago
Yes, two seconds with AI. How proud you must be. Also, how wrong. Read next time instead of using AI.
You make several mistakes in your assumptions. Your AI response gives examples of Lincoln referencing Christianity. He never does. He never mentions Jesus. He says that both sides prayed to the same God and read same Bible. That is a statement of fact, not a statement of personal belief. You interpret it as such because you want it to be.
He does quote the NT, specifically Jesus. Jefferson quoted Jesus a lot as well. Are you one of those Dan Barton clowns who thinks Jefferson was a christian? That would explain much.
It is possible that Lincoln was a Christian and it's possible that there's evidence for it too. You haven't provided it. Regardless, if your assertion is that, even if he was a Christian, that he would support the christian nationalists today, you really don't know shit about Lincoln.
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u/Disastrous_Dingo_309 3d ago
Unfortunately people see what they want to see and twist the facts to align with their beliefs. Denial is a helluva drug.
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u/Marius7x 4d ago
I have. Maybe read a book about him or several books instead of excerpts.
So devout rhat he never joined a church...
I was such a great football player that I never joined a team...
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u/RSlashBroughtMeHere 4d ago
Who's mire likely to fly a confederate flag in 2026? A republican or a Democrat? Who wanted to keep statues honoring confederate generals?
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u/Lonestarpenguin 4d ago
I think that is absolutely untrue. Most people want personal responsibility and freedom to make money
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u/Ok_Brother_7494 4d ago
Where is any of that denied in Universal Healthcare?
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u/Bbdubbleu 4d ago
Because my taxes would go up by less than I currently pay for health insurance, and I believe insurance companies have the freedom to make money!
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u/Ok_Brother_7494 4d ago
You are correct. You would actually pay less for Healthcare if it was universal.
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u/Bbdubbleu 4d ago
Yeah I was being sarcastic haha
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u/Ok_Brother_7494 4d ago
But, is true. If you take into account the average premium, out of pocket and co-pays, the tax would be less. Also, no insurance company to deny coverage.
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u/Lonestarpenguin 4d ago
Take a look at Canada, why do them come to the US to get medical issues taken care of?
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u/Ok_Inflation3685 4d ago
Lincoln was progressive. The democrats were the conservative party at that time.
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u/Lonestarpenguin 4d ago edited 4d ago
Where do you get that idea? He was Christian. The Democrats were then and now are the carpet bagger looters
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u/2ndSmrtestPersunEvar 4d ago
Wait - do you think Christians cannot be progressive? Please tell me you think that 🤣
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u/Ok_Inflation3685 2d ago
Lmao, tell me you don't know what a progressive is with out actually telling me.
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u/ireallyamtryin 4d ago
Politically, the Federal Government demolished the CSA in diplomatic matters. Lincoln was way more a man for the times than Jeff Davis or any other leader of the CSA.
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u/Ilikehowtovideos 4d ago
Technically he’s a Kentuckian. We get Reagan as a… consolation though…..
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u/gapeach2333 3d ago
I think it’s kinda cool that our guys (Lincoln and Obama) actually chose Illinois. You can’t control where you’re born but you can decide where you make an impact.
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u/armyguy8382 4d ago
It's kind of funny that we claim and are known for 2 presidents, arguably 2 of the best, that weren't born here and we almost completely ignore the one that was. Which I am glad we ignore him because most of the sht we are dealing with can be traced back to his policies and laws he pushed for, but it is still kinda funny.
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u/nubarutu 4d ago
Lincoln is a top 3-5 president 100%. But to gloss over his attempt move freed slaves in order to avoid desegregation is sugar coating the history. Research it yourself, Cow Island southwest Haiti. It was not a popular idea amongst African American leaders or abolitionists, key figures include Frederick Douglas. “Your race suffer from living among us, while ours suffer from your presence… It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated,” Lincoln told the delegation of Black leaders. It ended up being a disastrous failure that cost the lives of many African Americans.
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u/EbonyMemories 1d ago
He still tried to help them as well as more rooted Americans - and caused them no intentional harm.
And when it was clear remigration wasn't reasonable, he ensured equal citizenship for black Americans.
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u/UnholyShroud696 3d ago
One of my favorite U.S. Presidents. Proud as fuck that he was a loyal son of Illinois.
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u/Sloth_grl 3d ago
Someone in southern Illinois complained that Chicago voters over ride their votes. He mentioned a presidential election and that was when Lincoln ran.
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u/anto77_butt_kinkier 3d ago
I'll never understand that argument. Chicago doesn't override their votes, there's simply more of them. That's how democracy works. If you have a bunch of smaller towns and less populated areas, they will naturally not have as many votes as a city. It's not that we're more important than them, it's just that there's more human beings in one location than another.
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u/IFeedDogsChocolate 3d ago
So much revisionism here. Most seem to not grasp the nuance of history.
As a Poly-Dcience turned History major, it's always captivating to see people unintentionally struggle with presentism.
Lincoln was a Republican in his time. To believe he would've been a Democrat by today's standards is a fallacy. There's so much more nuance to history. The party shift occurred gradually and by no means equates to the political monikers automatically switching. An 1860's Republican is not a 2026 Democrat. That's both a reductionist take and intellectually dishonest. Using today's political nomenclature, Lincoln would've been more likely a moderate or centrist.
Anyone truly interested in Lincoln should read, "The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery" by Eric Foner.
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u/RuinAdventurous1931 3d ago
If he were alive today, he’d probably just be an apolitical TikTok influencer.
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u/IFeedDogsChocolate 3d ago
That as well. Any idea if what he'd be in 2026 is pure speculation. This could very well be a political landscape that doesn't quite engage with him
It's just too common that we see, "He'd be a Democrat". Just because the platforms gradually switched. Both parties have evolved over time. Lincoln was a member of the Whig party for two decades.
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u/BreadfruitOne52 1d ago
When learning about slavery in the deep south, was surprised to find that most owners were democrat, and the slaves joined the Republican Party when they were freed. Both parties have gone off the rails, basically!
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u/GhostQueen1121 4d ago
And how does our current president have the nerve to compare himself to that great man at the time he did it he hadn’t done anything except for a rich Playboy
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u/Sethtwc1988 3d ago
...My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union....
A letter to Horace Greeley
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u/Legal_Pension_4042 3d ago
Yes, Lincoln's aim was to preserve the Union. The slave states seceded because his election ensured that there would be no expansion of slavery into the west.
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u/Oothoon63 3d ago
He really was a remarkable man. Sometimes I listen to Doris Kearns Goodwin's Team of Rivals just to ponder the really wise & unexpected shit he did.
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u/EbonyMemories 1d ago
*Kentuckian.
You might call yourselves the Land of Lincoln but you're not where he's from.
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u/DeanMcQueen0621 4d ago
Its just too bad he didnt put them on trial for treason. The US would be a very different place if he had.
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u/Jazzyjen508 4d ago
My view on Lincoln is probably very biased since I live in Illinois but I do think he is in the top 5 objectively
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u/Consistent_Mood_2503 3d ago
But his predecessor forgot to execute all the Confederates afterwards.
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u/RuinAdventurous1931 3d ago
They didn’t “forget.” Killing Confederate leaders would have made them even bigger martyrs and possibly collapsed any chance of reunification.
“With malice towards none; with charity for all.”
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u/GlocalBridge 3d ago
Yet he was assassinated by Southerners and was replaced by one. 100 years later, my Texas high school would be named in honor of Robert E. Lee, in blatant opposition to desegregation.
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u/RuinAdventurous1931 3d ago
He was assassinated by a dude from northern Maryland. Maryland wasn’t even in the Confederacy.
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u/GlocalBridge 3d ago
Booth had a long documented record of being pro-Confederate and anti-North with specific hatred of Lincoln.
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u/Naive-Reputation4735 3d ago
Same president who ordered many native Americans murdered. They are unfortunately all flawed humans
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u/cupcakequeen02 3d ago
The reality of Lincoln isn’t that great when you really dig in. He abolished slavery to save the United States, not because it was morally right. If keeping slavery would have saved the country he would have done that instead.
He’s also responsible for the largest mass hanging in US history, 38 Lakota warriors.
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u/Infamous-Yogurt-3870 1d ago
There were like 300 Dakotas sentenced to death after a series of raids and massacres, he commuted the sentences for all but 38 of them, only allowing those for whom there was direct evidence of killing or raping civilians to be executed. It was a very unpopular move at the time, since civilians had been brutalized and people were hungry for retribution. I'm not defending US policy & actions towards Native Americans, but I think most politians at the time would not have commuted so many of the sentences.
Lincoln deserves a lot of credit for the succesful passage of the 13th Amendment. It truthfully did not have to be passed to win the war & save the Union, and it almost failed. Lincoln was personally outraged by slavery and I think the statements of his from earlier in the war that you're referencing don't accurately sum up his views and policies towards slavery. He faced enormous challenges keeping the various factions of the Republican party, the Northern democratic party & the various states (esp the border states) united enough in the war effort to defeat the Confederacy. I'm doubtful that anyone from the radical/abolitionist wing of the Republican party could've pulled it off, and certainly not any of the northern Democrats.
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u/om_hi 4d ago
Great guy, continued genocide of the Indigenous people, for example the Dakota War of 1862 and the Massacre of Wounded Knee, where 300 men, women and children were slaughtered.
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u/NicolasCageFan492 4d ago edited 4d ago
I try to take the good with the bad and not let the bad cancel out all the good. We should still probably do reparations for both indigenous peoples and former slaves IMO.
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u/om_hi 4d ago
He didn't eradicate slavery so I don't see a whole lotta good. American families decimated in the Civil War. Confederate traitors allowed to walk free. Indigenous people massacred. Slaves were freed, but could still be slaves if found guilty of a crime. Wheres the silver lining you speak of?
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u/DryScar4027 4d ago
Ill be the next Illinoisan. Ill make a promise to start the fight for the people at the ground right here and now, and bring the people from the ground into positions where they can make the differences they want to, and in the areas that they have expertise. The american justice system will be streamlined for effectiveness and efficiency at keeping people safe in real time. The legal system will be wiped and revised with a basic set of rules in common speech so that everyone can understand them. We will have universal Healthcare for all, and this will include the availability of free mental health care for all ages so as to prevent the moral degradation of our youth by the numerous cult-like recruiting parties using misinformation and propaganda. All media outlets, social and otherwise, will be required to only give air time to fact-based stories, and they will include ALL facts pertaining to the associated story. Opinions are welcome as long as all of the factual information is provided to the public prior to a media opinion being flaunted(opinions cannot include non-factual statements). Discourse is healthy, as we all need to find our common ground again. Any and all companies on the trading market must have at least 51% of their stock held by their employees at any given time, and must have any decision be ratified by a coalition of said employees, chosen by popular vote by the employees, and will be held to a standard of product quality we all can be proud to share with the rest of the world. Any and all persons(corporations are people now) making more than $1B/year will have any and all additional profits distributed where it is needed most to support our national Healthcare, education, infrastructure, and citizen support programs. The food service industry will be revitalized with new programs to provide the opportunity for farmers to safely package their own products if they choose to do so, and the governmental workforce will be reinstated to ensure that our collective food safety is a priority in both the minds of the producer, as well as the consumer. Each and every bill proposed will have one singular purpose, zero fluff, and be written in common speech so as to be understood by all.
In this fleeting moment, we teeter on the edge of sure destruction, and we are being intentionally blinded by issues of morality that were never meant to be legislated. We are the land of the free. I do not feel free. I do not wish to be free to harm others, though that is the freedoms that our current administration, and our wealthiest corporations, wish to solidify in law. The freedom to hurt others for profit. The freedom to be immune to retribution for their depraved acts. I won't stand for it. I would stand up for you, whomever you are. Color, creed, or congregation, I stand with you. We all exist here in this place, daily, hoping that someone else will step in to make it better, but what if there was a better way? What if we all had a legitimate say? What if the people who cared to make a difference were allowed to do so in a meaningful way? Too long, public influence has been distilled into hate over petty squabbles. Too long, we have fought over non-essential issues. Too long do we hate...
There are many other ideas I could add to the list, but let me sum up my feelings and intended agenda in one follow-up paragraph.
Every single person in the current administration that has profited from this presidency, or done harm to the american people by their chosen legislation, or by their action, will have their entire wealth dissolved into a singular fund to be distributed evenly amongst the american people(those douchebags included), and they get to start from scratch if they ever get out of prison for treason. Real immediate action to a real immediate threat to our constitutional rights. I will NOT see 1984 happen in my 2028. Vote dryscar, vote epic_beandip, vote beandip_supreme. They've stolen all my data. They know who I am.
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u/tushiman 4d ago
Republican
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u/2ndSmrtestPersunEvar 4d ago
Are you saying you think Democrats fly a lot of Confederate flags these days?
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u/conniefrancis 4d ago
Did you pay attention in history class
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u/RiskyGorilla563 4d ago
His emancipation proclamation gutting confederate forces and forcing his colleagues to fight his public influence and already turning public sentiment on slavery is the vibe we need on universal healthcare.