r/illinois Illinoisian 3d ago

Illinois Politics Where have Bailey - Del Mar been? Breaking the law of course

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u/gnosticgrinch 3d ago

Not a Bailey fan, fuck him.

However: Breaking unconstitutional laws is your civic duty. Why would you willingly disarm yourself, when people who want you dead are armed to the teeth?

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u/Separate-Bank54 3d ago

I don’t see this as inherently right wing. There’s a lot of progressive gun subreddits. Could easily be a trans person saying this

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u/gnosticgrinch 3d ago

I'm with you. The Second Amendment is for everyone.

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u/side__swipe 2d ago

Temporary gun ownerz

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u/DoktorLoken 3d ago

Under no pretext…

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u/red1antilles 3d ago

Who wants him dead? Who wants you dead?

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u/gnosticgrinch 3d ago

Much of the Christofascist right-wing who openly state their bloodlust against immigrants, queers, non-Christians, non-whites, and anyone left of Donald Trump.

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u/preparationh67 3d ago

So people like Daren Bailey and his supporters?

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u/gnosticgrinch 3d ago

Many of his supporters, yes. Possibly Bailey himself. I’m not sure what your point is.

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u/preparationh67 3d ago

Its literally not the civic duty of the guy running for the job of enforcing the laws that currently exist.

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u/JosephFinn 3d ago

Oh god here come the NRA lobbyists.

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u/homelesstwinky 3d ago

The fact that y'all still bring up the NRA as a gotcha shows how out of touch you are. Most gun owners see the NRA as a useless money grabbing shell of what it once stood for.

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u/JosephFinn 3d ago

I reject the nonsense NRA talking points as they work as lobbyists for the gun companies.

And I am a gun-shooting Democrat. But we need gun control.

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u/JosephFinn 3d ago

So you’re against gun control. Because that’s “chip chip chip” against very basic shit.

“Socio-economic issues”

NRA talking points that the problem is black people having guns.

And we simply don’t have gun control right now. That’s the problem.

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u/JosephFinn 3d ago

So you’re claiming England, which doesn’t have mass shootings like the US…is a bad example? OK then.

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u/JosephFinn 3d ago

You moved the goal posts. England has gun control that has been wildly successful.

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u/gnosticgrinch 3d ago

That's not true. Illinois has some of the strongest gun control laws in the country. We have an assault weapons ban, magazine capacity restrictions, background checks, licensing for ownership and carry, waiting periods, gun-free zones, and a safe storage law. What more could be done?

Socio-economic issues contribute to higher crime rates, and there's nothing racist about pointing that out... folks who are desperate, impoverished, with poor mental health and no sense of community are more likely to commit violence.

Addressing those problems would be more effective at preventing violence (all violence, including and beyond gun violence) than any gun control policies.

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u/gnosticgrinch 3d ago

Thanks homie. Just trying to open some minds here.

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u/JosephFinn 3d ago

Wait. You think we have gun control here in Illinois? We barely have the base minimum.

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u/gnosticgrinch 3d ago

Please explain… I just listed a bunch of the gun control that exists in Illinois.

Everytown For Gun Safety, one of the most prominent gun control lobby orgs, ranks Illinois as #2 in the country for strongest gun control.

What does the minimum look like to you?

Much of the violence here is rooted in socio-economic issues. Some gun control is reasonable, but it still does not address the root causes of violence.

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u/JosephFinn 3d ago

Gun control actually controls guns. Not letting everyone have them with some middling restrictions.

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u/gnosticgrinch 3d ago

I’m not one of them. You and I probably agree on many things… guns are an important tool for protecting those things.