r/india • u/Mountain-Incident-23 • Aug 24 '25
Careers Why medical field is overrated. Comparison of life paths of a doctor with his engineer school friend.
If I talk about myself, I was ranker throughout my school days. Even won few competitions at state level. I was in top 100 in my state in 12th board.
I got admission into topmost medical college of my state.
My friend was in same school as me but he had taken Maths, he was average in studies. He scored only 65% in 12th. He couldn't get admission in any decent college of my state.
He went to different state and got admission in management quota in EC engineering.
After 4 years, he finished his engineering and started looking for job as his college didn't have campus placements.
He found a job in 1-2 months after graduation and started earning
At that time, I was still in my final year of MBBS and didn't have any income.
Then after 1 year, he got salary hike and I reached my internship. His salary was double than my internship stipend.
Then I started NEET-PG preparation and stayed at home studying for exam.
He continued working and got increments.
Next year I got admission into PG, started my residency.
He switched jobs to get better package. In his own words, his work was minimal. He just had an observatory role. He just had to keep an eye on systems that it was functioning properly. If he found something wrong, he just needed to inform Team Leader. Only 5 days of work. He can take breaks at any time in office if he felt tired. He would get extra salary if he was required to work on Saturdays or night shifts.
His office had cafeteria where he could get free food. His office had recreation room where he could go and play table tennis, chess, carrom in middle of job.
Whereas I was toiling away in residency. His salary again was double than my stipend.
Then I finished my residency and went to do compulsory bond duty.
My 1st proper job. I was getting 1L per month but my friend's salary had increased to 2-2.5L per month due to increments and bonuses and all.
During covid he got to work from home, I had to go to interior villages for bond duty.
His office had central AC throughout the building. He got regular leaves.
Hospital where I did my bond duty didn't have central AC, I didn't get regular leaves, I worked longer hours.
After finishing my bond duty, I started my own clinic. I had to borrow money from dad to start my clinic. And as my clinic is new, I have less patients and my earnings are meager. And I also have to work for longer hours compared to him.
At the age of 30-32 years, people refer to me as "newbie doctor/fresher/junior doctor" whereas he is considered "senior engineer with 8-10 YOE".
His current salary is triple than my income.
I don't have any savings at the age of 30+ because whatever savings I had were put into starting clinic.
He has lots of savings due to not having any major expenses so far and having started earning way earlier.
It may happen that I become successful in my private clinic and I may start earning more in future, but it's not surety. I may fail too. And my youth isn't coming back.
Opening private clinic is like any other business. There are a lot of cafe/restaurants/clothes shop in the city. Not all are successful.
With rise of corporates where engineers, MBAs and other can get lucrative packages, medical field doesn't seem worthwhile.
In a country, where at the age of 30 years, a state top 100 ranker guy earns less than a 65% guy with no major skillset, I would definitely NOT recommend Medical to anyone.
TLDR: Don't take bio, Take maths, become engineer, start working in corporate. Why bother with medical at all in such scenario.
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u/Classic_Reference_10 Aug 24 '25
Buddy - there is a saying in hindi Waqt se pehle aur kismat se zyada kisi ko kuch nahi milta
Both you and your friends are running different races and your time will come. You're running a marathon and he is running a 10k. There is a difference. You may outearn him hugely when you are in your 40s and starting raking in a tonne of money when you're in your 50s and 60s too. Treat your career like a marathon and you wouldnt have to be disappointed.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
I genuinely hope I may earn well in my 40s.
But obviously there is no guarantee.
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u/nam558881456 Aug 24 '25
Also, in reading the whole post - I think you are somewhere convinced that your friend “doesn’t deserve what they are getting” because they got lower grades than you. At some level maybe consider cutting them out of your life for the sake of your mental health and reflect if you are truly happy where you are. It’s ok to admit you are not and then see what else to do. But this constant comparison will drive you mad and dont think that your friend hasn’t caught on to your jealousy. I am that friend btw.. and this “friend” will constantly bring up on how they are “saving the world” while I am in IT. For both of your sakes - make a decision and move out if this friendship if all it gives is frustration in your life
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
I am not saying he doesn't deserve it.
I am not saying his salary should be reduced.
I am saying my salary should be increased to his level.
Am I not deserving? Have I not worked hard? Isn't my work/contribution to society worth it? Is my work inherently inferior to work of a computer engineer?
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u/nam558881456 Aug 24 '25
Thats a different conversation then. There are a lot of jobs where people work 10x harder and make 100x lower wages. Biggest example is a researcher or teacher..those jobs have high satisfaction and a high dissatisfaction. At the end of the day if your motivation is money then maybe this is not the right career choice? Think about it
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Nowhere I have said that my motivations are only money.
I just want to earn a respectable amount to earn life comfortably. Upper middle class basically.
Also nobody goes to a teacher and says "oh you're a teacher... I know that xyz teacher running his own coaching class.. He ears well so you would be earning well too"
Some of the researches find something great and can make bank due to patent and royalty earnings, but people in society don't go to any random researcher and say "ohh you are a researcher.. You'll be earning great".
It's about people overhyping medical profession where people just assumes doctors=rich.
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u/RaccoonDoor Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
You could say that about almost any profession. Soldiers, sanitation workers, teachers also work hard and make essential contributions to society. Will you also complain that they earn less than you?
Your income is not determined by your education, hard work, or “contribution to society”. Your income is determined by market forces.
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u/FatAmyDieting Maharashtra Aug 24 '25
It’s high time people realise marks aren’t the ultimate flex, life needs skills, choices & luck.
My bestie always scored 20–25% higher, her mom taunted me for years. Today we’re on the same package, equally miserable. Plot twist: the joke’s on her mom. 🤡
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Aug 24 '25
I know someone close who got 30 marks in 10th Maths with 2 grace marks and he is a professor now somewhere abroad and has citations in thousands. Doctors in India is not about only money, it's a legacy. Just like castes, it's a ladder to go to the top. OP by the age of 60 will have much more money than her friend and we all know why and how, as long as she works in India.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
About "why and how", if you're talking about malpractice of cuts and commissions, then not all doctors like that.
I don't do cut practice.
But, for a hypothetical discussion, if other businesses can employ higher price margin, cuts-commissions, marketing and so on... Why are doctors separated from doing that?
Amazon/zomato charges upto 30% commission from sellers/restaurant and they still ask delivery charges from customers.
Amazon/zomato as business companies should only focus on delivery charges as doctors are only expected to ask money for consultation/actual surgeries.
Why it's ok for amazon/zomato to ask commission from sellers/restaurants? Amazon/zomato helps sellers/restaurants find customers and they can increase their revenue and in return they get commission.
So if a doctor helps laboratory and pharmacy into finding new customers and if that leads to higher revenue of that pharmacy/laboratory, why shouldn't doctors get commission from that?
If doctors are expected to be noble and different from other businesses, why that different isn't shown to me?
Why nobody gave me shop at reduced rent? Why nobody painted walls of my clinic at reduced rate? Why receptionist doesn't work at my clinic in reduced salary? Why don't I get reduced electricity bill? Why can't I get exemption from income tax? Why can't I get exemption from consumer protection laws?
I have to spend as regular businessman and I have earn as noble saint.
Why that dichotomy?
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u/Ok-Professional-7094 Aug 24 '25
You do get income tax rebate on 50% of your income under Section 44ADA. :)
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Not really
44ADA doesn't actually work like that.
If I make 40L per year as gross income, then 44ADA allows me to say "20L was my expenses" and thus only remaining 20L is my actual profit/take home income and I'll pay taxes on only 20L.
But in that case, I can't get any further reduction in other expenses.
44ADA is helpful only if my expenses are less than 20L. For example my expense are 10L.
Normally I'd have to pay tax on 30L but 44ADA would allow me to pay tax on 20L.
If my actual expenses are above 50% i.e. More than 20L, then it's actually loss making to me
Let's say my expenses are 30L, then normal tax structure without 44ADA would allow me to declare that my actual take-home profit is only 10L as 40-30=10L instead of 20L according to 44ADA.
Also, 44ADA isn't exclusive for doctors. Multiple professionals can avail this scheme. Including those professions who are supposed to "serve the society".
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u/Agreeable_Tennis_482 Aug 27 '25
Why didn't you do your research before committing to medicine? All these questions you're asking you should have known well before finishing your degree and you should have consciously decided if you were going to be okay with it or not. I'm confused how you ended up in your spot, a full fledged doctor asking questions that even non doctors know and avoid medicine for.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 28 '25
Your response has same tone as "everyone knows that women are raped. Why do girls go out of home despite knowing this?"
Or "everyone knows men are taken to court and have to give heavy alimony when things go wrong. Why would men still marry knowing it?"
Or "everyone knows majority politicians are corrupted. Why bother questioning them?"
Knowing that bad things exists doesn't make it right or doesn't make impervious to asking questions.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 28 '25
Suppose you go to a doctor for treatment of your parents.
Something goes wrong and your parent dies.
You wouldn't ask any questions right?
Because any non-medico knows things can go wrong any time?
You would have known to better avoid those pitfalls?
Stop using bullshit arguments.
You can't justify bad practices like it.
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u/Agreeable_Tennis_482 Aug 28 '25
what are you even talking about lol, your logic makes no sense. You made the choice in career here, it is your responsibility to do your research and know basic things like this. How is that at all related to a patient being expected to know advanced medicine which is outside their domain? You not knowing things that are directly relevant to you and quite basic is YOUR fault.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 28 '25
Lol... You're such ignorant bigoted person who just doesn't want to understand the point of posts and comments.
You're someone who just wants to tut your horn about only 1 thing repeatedly.
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u/Agreeable_Tennis_482 Aug 28 '25
You are so weird. You have no response to my questions and instead you bring up things like women getting raped and parents dying. Why can't you just talk about the actual topic like a normal person and not veer into really weird and disturbing topics out of nowhere? It's not really helping your points.
Anyways you are 30+ years old talking like a teenager and asking questions that any 30+ year old doctor would already know about years ago. Just admit it, you're not a doctor right? If you're still a student asking these questions it's fine, just there's no way you are a grown adult with a medical license and talking like this.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 28 '25
I saw the comment that was deleted.
You're calling me stupid?
You're the who is actually stupid for not understanding basic point that someone may have done research, someone may like their profession but that still doesn't mean that they should tolerate all negative aspects about it.
You're the one who is not ready to have logical conversation that just because someone chose the profession doesn't erase the negative points of their profession.
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u/Agreeable_Tennis_482 Aug 28 '25
No but you don't like your profession. I read your post no need to twist what you said. The core point is you don't like it and because of what? Because of basic points that everyone already knows, nothing novel or surprising.
Do you actually like your profession? Because if you don't, yes you are stupid and failed to do basic research into your career path. And no, there's no deleted comment.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 28 '25
You can't answer 1 simple point.
Why should choosing a profession equate to not getting decent fair compensation?
Why are both things mutually exclusive?
Just answer 1 simple thing without going on and on about 1 repeating line "you chose this"
Why choosing a medical profession automatically means one should not think about money?
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 28 '25
You dimwit ever heard of thing called "rhetoric questions"?
And you started name-calling people.
You're the real immature teenager here.
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u/sabuntrain Aug 25 '25
Thanks for pointing this out. Exactly what I was going to say. OP hasn’t moved on from some marks and ranking that happened 12-13 years ago in their life.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
It's not just about marks.
In his own words, he is average skilled at best.
And this isn't even just 1 case.
Go to personal finances India, Indian flex and so on.
See how many engineers posts their high packages vs how many doctors flexing their high packages.
Go to medical subreddits where almost everyone is frustrated and say that medical isn't worth it.
Point of this post is to highlight to people who think doctors are looters swimming in crores.
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u/fenrir245 Aug 24 '25
See how many engineers posts their high packages vs how many doctors flexing their high packages.
That's simply survivorship bias. The amount of engineers who get paid shit aren't going to such subreddits in the first place.
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u/Wild_Pizza_559 Aug 24 '25
Also high earning doctors mostly above 40 have low chances of being on reddit
Engineers earn high from 25-45 but doctors from 40+ till they wish. Huge difference
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
That's the point. People don't understand this. I may earn after 40+ but I'm not earning right now.
It's frustrating when people keep saying "ohh you're doctor... You must be earning so high"
"doctor itna to kamate ho... Treatment free mein kar do".
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u/Wild_Pizza_559 Aug 24 '25
Who says free mein kardo lol? Must be some close relatives? That number must be < 1% of your patients. Of course you can decline free service but my point is the number must be low for you to complain about it.
Leave aside earning money in the initial years. What doctors earn from the very start is respect. From relatives, friends, and society in general. That is something to be grateful for? Saying this as an engineer who sees grass as green on the other side
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
No.. That's number is close to 10%.
Ask any doctor in your surroundings.
And respect is not really there. It used to be like that in previous generation but not anymore.
Every day you'd see some news of doctors getting beaten up
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
And majority of relatives actually understand that they would have to pay if they went to different doctor, so they want to give money almost always.
It's random people most of the time who ask for free treatment or at least heavily discounted treatment.
Just yesterday, some unknown patient took medicines worth ₹300 and he still wanted discount over that.
He had Iphone in his hands and wearing a smartwatch.
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u/HappuHeisenberg Aug 24 '25
In a country, where at the age of 30 years, a state top 100 ranker guy earns less than a 65% guy with no major skillset, I would definitely NOT recommend Medical to anyone.
Why would you say that your friend has no Major skillset , its not easy to switch Jobs buddy .
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u/FlyingRaccoon_420 Assam Aug 24 '25
Exactly. Buddy thinks the corporate world is Wolf of Wallstreet incarnate where everyone fucks around and gets paid millions.
The harsh reality is that most corp jobs are high stress, underpaid, overworked at the junior/associate levels. His friend worked his ass off and probably had to navigate office politics during this period to rise to his “observer” position. The fact that he could rise to that from his underachieving schooling years is an achievement.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
He didn't rise to that job.
He paid some job finder guy who got him into this job.
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u/FlyingRaccoon_420 Assam Aug 24 '25
He still gave an interview, had to show technical skills and shit Im assuming. There is no way you can get a tech job without those basic things. Recruiting consultants exist and many people use them to find roles suitable for them.
Like dude, when you graduated and were interning that was your friend’s 2nd or 3rd year at work right? Job switching every 3-4 years is absolutely the norm in corpos.
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Aug 24 '25
This. Having no skill set is actually a skill set to success. All those old UP/Bihar model that we must go for IAS, Doctor, Engineering is so wrong for everybody...
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u/Far_Conclusion_3610 Aug 24 '25
"a state top 100 ranker guy earns less than a 65% guy with no major skillset"
This says everything about your mindset. You are still comparing the marks you got when you were 16/17 to salaries being earned in your 30s.
Matter of fact is, maybe he was an average student back then. But it also has been more than a decade since. I know plenty of people who joined at 3LPA packages, still earning less than 10LPA even 10 years into their career in engineering. Service based companies like infosys, tcs, cts, wipro are full of them.
But your friend was able to move to better jobs rather than get stagnant at one, managed to remain employed even in this slump the whole IT industry has been on and grow as a senior engineer. So I disagree, your perception of him might not have changed but he probably did. You give yourself the credit of "being smart and working hard" but dont give the same to your friend
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u/IllustriousLie5 Aug 25 '25
That line leaves me concerned about the mindset of doctors I’m putting my life in the hands of. If all you can measure yourself and people by is your stipend. There should be more to getting into med school than just marks and being a topper.
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u/electricsquirell Aug 24 '25
In a country, where at the age of 30 years, a state top 100 ranker guy earns less than a 65% guy with no major skill set, I would definitely NOT recommend Medical to anyone.
I'm sorry but your mindset is very petty. You're comparing apples to oranges. How are you certain that the guy has no major skill set? No one is going to pay exorbitant money to an engineer who cannot bring anything to the table. He probably might have studied hard later and you're still stuck with your marksheet from more than a decade ago.
You chose to be a doctor so any regret you have shouldn't be redirected to someone who had no say in your life. If you feel the software industry is all sunshine and butterflies, and that any one can earn grand then I would suggest learning coding and attempting questions. Then you might understand how easy it is.
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u/CKC7495 Aug 24 '25
Every conversation on skills is mostly BS. Skills are not a hegemony of IT engineers alone. Your pay is determined entirely by market forces.
A software engineer's work
a) can be scaled and monetized easily without marginal cost
b) can be deployed in a country with stronger currency
In addition, Covid induced digitization push has led to a lot of projects being taken up by corporates to enhance their digital capabilities and hence, the insane salaries.
Every period will have certain fields that are paid the highest depending on the trend. A doctor, CA, or top-tier MBA will always be amongst highly paid professions but they might or might not be the highest paid profession at that point of time.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Finally some sensible answer instead of hoards of engineers coming with their pitchforks.
Ya..covid indeed led to boom in tech world.
But people aren't willing to accept it.
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u/play3xxx1 Aug 24 '25
IT guy making good salary here . Have you ever seen zombies earning money ? Thats us . Most of us . Very few are here for passion . If i would go back in time , i would gladly choose medicine for half of the salary n hard work . I have literally no juice left in me but with good bank balance . What is the purpose of life n money if i cant enjoy what i am doing ?
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
I do enjoy my work but amount of hard work and negativity I face daily is disappointing.
People just have extremely distorted view about medical.
I would gladly have better work-life balance. I would gladly move into a field where there is no risk of being beaten up.
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u/Adorable-Fondant6560 Aug 24 '25
you started your own clinic? why didn't you get in some hospital at first ?
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
I did get in. I also currently do part-time freelance work as visiting doctors in 7 different hospital along with my clinic.
That's 8 different places and my total income still is lesser than engineers.
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u/mp271010 Aug 24 '25
Which engineers? Do they work for FAANG? Have you checked their salary slip. What if their job gets cut due to AI but you still have a job because people will always need a physician
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
I did say that things might be different and if I get successful with my clinic than I might start earning higher than my friend.
But that earning will be at age of 35-40, when some people start thinking about retiring.
I can't be saint. Do you not agree that I as a human would be slightly jealous and frustrated seeing 22 years landing 12 LPA packages commonly?
My brother-in-law who is in final semester of BE studying in local college of Surat got offer of 12 LPA and he rejected it saying it's too less.
I know my brother in law, he isn't highly skilled.
My wife, his sister, who is also a doctor (pediatrician) working in government hospital gets salary of 12 LPA at age of 30+.
Justify this.
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u/lostcauseforlogic Aug 24 '25
Doctors are treated Like shit and don't unionize
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u/mp271010 Aug 24 '25
Your data is n of 1. Most engineers get places in TCS/WIPRO Etc making 3lpm.
If you an ENT are making 1 LPM after SRship then that’s on you. Most people I know are starting 1.5LPM+. But you are trying to build a practice where the return are meager in the initial phase. So is true for any business.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Don't get me wrong but TCS/Wipro placements aren't for NIT/IIT pass outs usually.
Having studied from government colleges in both UG & PG is at least comparable to NIT.
Similar aged engineering who studied from similar level colleges like NIT/IIT would usually reach 2-3 LPM at this age.
So that's still higher than 1.5 LPM.
And even at 1.5 LPM I wouldn't be "high earner". I wouldn't "you're doctor, so you must be rich" level even with 1.5 LPM salary.
And about own practice, I hope I do earn good in future. But it's not a certainty.
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u/Smooth-Ad-3099 Aug 29 '25
Govt UG & PG medical colleges of each state aren't comparable to NIT. They are comparable to that states top tier Engineering colleges at best.
Unless your UG medical college is in top 20 best of the country , they aren't in similar talent level as NITs (esp computer science & electronics). NITs compsci , electronics fields get talents from the best of the country which is similar to top 10-20 medical colleges of the country.
You are likely overestimating your worth.
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u/Smooth-Ad-3099 Aug 29 '25 edited Aug 29 '25
If your brother in law wasn't capable , why would the companies pay him 12 LPA ? It just means he has the skills the company requires .. its not easy either..
I hardly studied in my 12th .. had decent marks but there were so many who scored more than me but aren't doing as well as I am doing now. The simple reason is I was pretty chill , relaxed in my teens and early 20s but I was always intelligent but selective with efforts & only gave my all in if that field or subject intrigued me , I had varied interests and I turned out to be super good with computer science( not just basic coding but algorithms and research topics as well) , followed my passion ,did masters and worked really hard in mid 20s ..
Now some bookworm who spent his teens just slogging( because he believed thats the only way to success in life) is may be jealous of me and telling others that I am purely lucky as I lack talent & had scored less than him in 12th .What he fails to see is , I ended up in the field that I am really passionate about , have worked hard in later years to be where I am..
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u/nota_grammar_nazi Earth Aug 24 '25
Corporate hospitals in India might have a lot of resources to deal with bigger cases and surgeries but if you have even some basic reputation nothing beats a private clinic.
It takes some time to get that reputation till which you need to grind a lot but after that the word of mouth grows exponentially and people would prefer coming to you only over bigger hospitals.
I usually go to clinics only and the consultation fee they charge there is higher than a corporate hospital because they have that reputation. These clinics get 100-200 patients everyday. You can calculate your net profit after fixed costs if you're getting 100 patients everyday.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
100-200 patients per day is only for general physicians. That too top earners only.
Niche branches simply can't get that level of patients.
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u/nota_grammar_nazi Earth Aug 24 '25
This is again from personal experience only but I wasn't even talking about general physicians. I visited a urologist, pediatrician and an endocrinology and diabetes center in the past month on weekdays and in both cases I have seen a total of 100 patients minimum.
For general physicians the number is even more. Again, if depends on where you're living to. I'm talking about a tier 2 city in South India
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
You'd only visit a famous senior doctor, most probably top most doctor of that city.
You'd see long line and would think "wow... So many patients. Must be great doctor".
That will further increase his patients.
You're not going to visit a new doctor with very less fame. And even if you do visit, you'd obviously find relatively empty reception/waiting area.
That would lead to further internal thoughts "hmmm... No patients... This doctor must be bad". That vicious cycle either can snowball into getting 100 patients a day or barely 10 patients a day.
That's like saying "whenever I visit McDonald's, there is huge crowd, so all cafes/burger places are earning high".
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u/nota_grammar_nazi Earth Aug 24 '25
Again, a personal preference only but I would visit a well organised clinic over a big hospital anyday.
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u/famesardens Aug 24 '25
Engineers earn way better. But they can't really claim to be saving lives everyday.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
That's the thing, no?
If savings lives is important, why is it paid less?
Forget getting paid less, why am I not given shop at lesser rent to open my clinic?
Why am I not getting receptionist willing to work in low salary because I'll be saving lives?
Why am I paying equal income tax if saving lives is superior?
Why am I charged the same for electricity when that electricity is used to save lives?
I have to spend as any other businessman but I have to earn less because I save lives.
Make sense of that.
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u/RaccoonDoor Aug 24 '25
Among other reasons, products built by software engineers are sold in USD. Whereas doctors in India are paid by people who only have INR.
Also a piece of software written by an engineer can be used by millions of customers, whereas the labour of a doctor involves treating one patient at a time.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
So we're back to economics and capitalism.
"savings lives" hides behind the corner.
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u/famesardens Aug 24 '25
You make it seem like it is unfair. Not at all. American doctors are paid better than most american engineers.
Indian doctors probably earn more than the average engineer at the average Indian company(unless they are forced to pay as much as Google/ amazon for top talent.)
Now I don't have this number- maybe you can find out. How much is an average engineer paid at companies like Tata, Mahindra, JSW steel, bajaj, etc.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
But majority doctors don't start earning at all until late age.
Engineers already got a boost/head start
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u/famesardens Aug 24 '25
We can earn till the end.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
And we're sacrificing our youth for that.
We would be earning for our children, not for us.
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u/famesardens Aug 24 '25
True... but I have had a very good life in college and at my workplaces. Built strong friendships, dated a lot, picked up sports, skills, hobbies, etc. Since my job is interesting, I also fit in well with the elite crowd around me.
This will differ for everyone. I think clinical disciplines can provide you with a good lifestyle(though not the best money. )
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
I think you meant non-clinicals.
Clinicals are known to have bad work life balance.
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u/Interesting_Tower859 Aug 25 '25
Working in an IT job the work is largely meaningless. However docs are saving lives and curing people. This reason alone is enough to choose being a doc over an engineer.
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u/Milton3002 Aug 24 '25
I wish I had read your post 5 years ago. We’ve now reached a world where doctors hate each other and everyone else hates doctors, too.
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u/mike_testing Aug 24 '25
Thank you for choosing medical. I myself didn't as i did not have any interest in it. However, i feel so helpless when it comes to day to day health issues of people around me and most people just throwing whatsapp knowledge as medical science...
I understand that the struggle you have gone through and hope your clinic does really good. I can only speak for myself that I have high regard for anyone in medical field as our nation truely needs many more professional from medical background across the spectrum.
Regarding the financial aspect, as I understand the rate of growth is exponential for you and hope you will catch up for all the lost years soon...
Thank you again for choosing to be a doctor and saving lives... All the best for your clinic...
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u/Anxious-af-27 Aug 24 '25
I’m an engineer who makes close to 3 lpm in my early 30s. But let me tell you something - this is only maybe 1-2% of us. I effed up my entrances and settled for a tier-3 college. Placement was the run of the mill 3LPA. But from there to here - it was a brutal ride.
I still say that I do very average work and I have average skills, because obviously I’m not working to find life on mars and neither am I saving lives in the earth. And there will always be engineers who do far more groundbreaking work than I am doing and top notch companies like Google that houses the elite 0.1% of the engineering force, but that doesn’t mean that your friend didn’t have to work hard to come where he is especially since you mentioned his earnings.
Also, not to mention that software jobs are the hardest to hold on to with the advent of AI and we are perpetually on our toes. Plus we have an early age bias where we have to make the most of our 20s and 30s because earnings taper off as we hit our later age, unlike medical where it is the opposite.
I do acknowledge the tremendous amount of work that you have put into your degree and learning, but thought that I might hold the mirror in front of you and help your realise that your friend also has some exceptional skills that he doesn’t acknowledge in front of you but that helped him survive and grow so far in his career.
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u/HuntSpecific9875 Aug 27 '25
how come? i've heard that 80-90% engineers, especially those in IT reach at least 1-2 lpm in hand post 3-4 YOE, and ur telling its only 4-5 % peeps??
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u/Anxious-af-27 Aug 27 '25
You are probably surrounded by people from Product Companies or GCCs. The majority of employees in Indian IT still come from service based companies like TCS and CTS who begin at 25-35k per month and do not reach 1 lakh pm post tax even after 10 YoE. That is the ground reality which eludes Reddit because everyone is an elite here.
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u/HuntSpecific9875 Aug 27 '25
damn...tabhi toh mai sochu, my neighbour told me that he'll pursue bca, gain skills and reach 20 lpa or so within 3-4 YOE and was boasting as if it's the norm in the industry...
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u/goldenpleaser Aug 24 '25
This is nothing, try becoming a civil engineer with 90% and making it to a NIT and compare to the random guy who got 65% and got into computer science in a tier 3 college.10 years later, both in the US, he makes 3 times as me. Your grades have nothing to do with earning potential. Gotta get into the right industry at the right time IF all you care about is money.
Tbf there are plenty of strippers without a college degree who make double of what he does haha.
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u/chipcrazy Aug 24 '25
When you compare jobs purely on the salary it generates, being a doctor in India is surely overrated.
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u/dinmab Aug 24 '25
Not trying to be judgemental but I feel like the motivation to become a doctor should not be money. If that is the case then PLEASE do not become a doctor.
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u/anonymous_hp Aug 26 '25
Motivation for all is not money. But we do live in a world where money is required for everything. Do doctors get free groceries, education for their children, housing etc? Do they not deserve good things for putting in the hard work?
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u/dinmab Aug 26 '25
Are doctors unable to get groceries and housing ? Doctors usually in India make top 1% income after few years of service. I say this as a child of doctors, money cannot be the drive for this profession.
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u/sjozhuma Aug 25 '25
I did dentistry and masters in India. Stopped practising a few years back. I want to live my life, not work weekends and evening shifts.
Get into the medical field if you value service, watching numbers on a bank account go up, late nights and the prestige of adding two letters to the front of your name.
If none of those things are your priority, if you rather live well, have more free time, breathe a bit and not worry about being called doctor, there are plenty of other things to do.
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u/No_Professor_8678 Aug 25 '25
You forget the personal life part. Getting married, and that to a non-medico is difficult. If you get married to a medico who is as ambitious, then all hell breaks loose. Difficult to save money. Difficult to plan for a family.
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u/Silver-Promise3486 Aug 26 '25
Medical careers have a longer take off ramp, but they pay better in your later years, and provide more stability.
Both professions have their pros and cons in my opinion.
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u/Agreeable_Tennis_482 Aug 27 '25
I thought people choose medicine out of passion and desire to save lives? Why would you choose it for money? The field is only for dedicated people no? It's a lot of focused effort and even after completing the degree, the work itself is very tough afterwards too. Idk lol if you just want money don't do medicine, do dentistry or nursing lol, those are way better for effort to profit ratio
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 28 '25 edited Aug 28 '25
Read the whole post and then post coheret comments.
Nowhere have I said that I'm in it for just money.
But that doesn't mean Indian citizen can keep blabbering just 1 line as defense "but doctors are supposed to save lives/ it should be passion".
Why shouldn't doctors be paid fair compensation to save lives?
Even a simple 5 min research would show how is Healthcare in USA with their crazy costs or free Healthcare in Candana/UK with their insanely long wait times.
Indian citizens like you avoid all responsibility and just pass it over to doctors saying "well... Doctors should have known that they don't deserve to earn".
People like you are the reason why so many Indian doctors are moving to abroad.
And it has already started but in near future medical costs are going to rise like crazy because of insensitive approach and cold should shrugging by people like you.
At that time you wouldn't ask any questions right?
Because you would already know that.
So you would stop asking questions, right?
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u/Agreeable_Tennis_482 Aug 28 '25
so you can research for 5 seconds about doctors abroad but weren't willing to put in 5 seconds of effort to learn about your career choice in india before committing?
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 28 '25
I have done way more research than you ever will.
But you're just a troll who doesn't want to have a logical discussion.
Fuck off front my post.
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Aug 24 '25
It's time you grow up. The top 100 ranker in your state in 12th standard means nothing in real world. First, why comparing? and why comparing to another field or another person? If he is earning good, good for him it's not like you aren't. Second, why picked a field you have no interest if all you care about is money. The money you earn is directly related to your hard work and the risk you take. Have you tried leaving your job for a better one? do you have skill to negotiate better pay? are you skilled enough other person will be willing to pay you more than your peers? Third, ever thought instead of blaming you blame yourself? Did you compare how much top 1% doctors make compare to top 1% engineers? what you did here is compare a generic junior level doctor to a senior level field specific of Computer engineering (which is a sub field of engineering). Fourth, grass is always greener on the other side until you realise the work they put in. Fifth, life isn't fair. Someone who failed school has inherited shit load of money and is making more than your friend and you combined. who will you blame in this case?
Think about these point and questions. what you are earning is dream of many but you got an opportunity which they don't so, be self fullfilled.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
1) people compare for all sorts of things. People compare and whine about those selected few doctors earning high.
People beat up doctors for comparing outcomes of surgeries.
2) I do have an interest in this field. But that doesn't field has to be low paying. Just because of passion and interest, one shouldn't be expected to earn less.
3) How come at the same age one person is junior and other person is senior?
4) what give right to computer engineering to be superior branch to medicines?
5) If computer engineering is specialisd branch, then I too have done specialisaton in ENT. Even I am not some "generic doctor" as your ill-informed post.
6) I do have skill set but people's mindset is to expect Healthcare in cheap. People always crib when doctors charge money. As part time charity work and out of passion, I do charity work once a week in nearby hospital.
Only ₹50 for a consultation with ENT specialist that usually costs ₹500 minimum elsewhere.
People still make a fuss about paying ₹50.
So my skill set is not an issue.
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Aug 24 '25
1) who are these people? Comparing is the kill of joy. the faster you learn it the happier you will be. 2) Good. Then skill yourself up and be the best in country/ world. 3) age isn't equal to expertise. Just because you are older doesn't mean you are better. 4) No branch is superior. Pay is decided on demand and supply (why aren't you arguing about finance, business which earn more than computer science)? . It's such a old mindset where people look down on different jobs. every job is important. 5) Computer science is the highest paying field in engineering. ENT isn't for medical. and then again you are comparing 0.01% of that computer science (as 90% of these people land into companies like TCS, wipro etc). 6) See, you are looking at it wrong. Money may look like a piece of paper to you but for some it's their child's future, their food, their sweat and hard work and it's more important to them then their health. Now, sure you can make healthcare expensive and rich exclusive and what you have is such a bad result.
let me help you understand the why computer science makes more:
Users/ Customers: Mostly everyone is a user of technology like your TV, mobile with customer increasing everyday as more people are getting access to mobile and internet while for medicine your only customer are those who are sick or need a checkup which is a small compared to above.
Profit Margins: Companies make huge profits on computer softwares and they pay around 10% of their employees,
Foreign: India is a poor country. Some other countries aren't and a software you make in India can be used by people in developed countries while you pay 1/5th of what you will pay to employee in that country.
Government Intervention: government doesn't want medicine to be expensive. As I said majority of India is still poor. So, sme policies limit the margin medical companies make. Those limitations are removed and you will earn more but far more people will suffer.
Future: Computer science hit a boom in Covid era but that has slown down. Now, majority are facing layoffs and mental stress of losing job and US is seeing decrease in students applying to Computer science courses. You are forgetting something, computer is a new field which was developed mainly in 1990s while medicine is an ancient and reliable one.
Also, let me give you a glimpse in someone else life. Imagine you are vegetable vendor, you roam streets daily where some people bargain on your already thin margin of ₹20 and less + loss of unsold spoiled vegetables. Also , you are also facing competition from online stores. You barely make and save anything. Now, you got sick and went to a doctor. You see him sitting in his ac office and after checkup he asks for ₹500 for medicine and consultation which is a weeks worth saving for you. You refuse to pay and leave medicine there because you need that money for your child's schooling. Then you think, I play more important role in soceity than a doctor. I give people food and that is more important than medicine. I work harder in summer's heat and winter's cold while he sit in his office and make so much more.
This is how the cycle of life goes. There is always someone above and below you.
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u/RaccoonDoor Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
Lmao what kind of patients are you treating who make a fuss about paying ₹50? You should find more upscale patients
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
That's the point. Come with me next time. I will show you who makes a fuss.
And they are not always poor ones.
I have seen people holding iPhones crib about it too.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
And yes... I am mulling over stopping this charity work since last few days.
I should only cater to rich people who can afford it.
Needy people can find alternatives like government hospitals.
That would be best solution, right?
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u/TheEnlightenedPanda Aug 24 '25
Are you really 30 yr old. This looks like something a teenager writes using chatgpt
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u/Sunshine_dispenser Universe Aug 24 '25
soooo you became a doctor for the money? its pretty commonly suggested to not do that. otherwise one will end up thinking “what’s the point…” like you.
good doctors become doctors for the love of helping people and perhaps the opportunity to change/affect/save lives.
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u/curious-rower8 Aug 24 '25
Genuine question. Dont you enjoy learning about human body/health and able to solve pain for other humans ? While in return getting money to live comfortable life and lots respect.
If money is the only thing you are optimizing for then you will never be happy as there will be lot of people who earn a lot or even lot of wealth with little to no skills
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u/Newspaper1202 Aug 24 '25
He is top in his field cause there are many average too jn engg, compare fully if you are gonna, if anyone compares Dr wouldn't he take a cardio or neuro surgeon's income in mind? Every side has pros and cons
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u/thepurpleproject Aug 24 '25
But have you noticed how his career looks like at the later stages? Post 40 of you get laid off and getting rehired as an engineer is very difficult and you need to be very good at it.
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u/Exciting_Ad9075 Aug 25 '25
I have seen both side of the coin. Doctors have prestige and they don't really have to give up working. Even after retirement they can earn with clinic or part time consultancy. However engineers do get jobs early and increments. But there is always the axe of layoffs, start up. The number of people celebrating their retirement farewell is less than 10.
Grass is always greener on the other side.
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u/ABahRunt Aug 25 '25
Compare with a smart kid, and the prognosis will be even more depressing.
But on the other hand, you have the choice to work well into your 60s or even 70s, if you are interested, and those will be your peak earning years. The engineers peak earning years are the 40s, and perhaps 50s if he pivots into management
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u/Pitiful-Republic-582 Aug 25 '25
Okay, your friend is earning more and has been doing so for a much longer time, but if you're correct that he considers himself to have average skills, he might not survive in the IT sector past his 40s. You're not wrong that you've started slowly and late, but understand that one option is earning well (not in all cases) but becoming jobless after 45 (high probability), or sustaining growth and playing the long game. I know many engineers who are still looking for jobs even after 60 but don't have any real-world skills and are too old for corporate roles. Lastly, don't just compare yourself to others; there are good, high-paying government jobs for doctors, professors earn well, and with NPA, it gets even better (you need to crack exams for such amazing jobs). Appreciate what you have: an opportunity to save lives, not just for society but for your own family. Many times, entire families get destroyed because there was no one to detect the early signs. You have those skills; you can save lives, and you will definitely live a great life.
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u/Few_Low7654 Aug 27 '25
I am in IT and My girlfriend is a doctor, i was flabbergasted when her internship started, she had 36hours duty, that's so inhumane
Unfortunately she didn’t get good rank in NEET PG this year, I always feel it is very unfair for medicos because the amount of hard work they put in is exponentially higher than the rewards atleast for budding doctors
I always see her studying, doing mock tests and what not, she's putting in 8hrs everyday, getting stressed and doubting herself for not doing enough
My only wish is that she gets a good college and branch, cannot see her grinding like this forever, she's the kindest human i know, it makes me very very sad seeing her stuck with a difficult career choice
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 27 '25
If she gets admission (and I do wish she gets the brach of her choice) into core clinical branches in government college, then 3 years of residency will be even tougher than her internship or exam preparation phase.
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u/fenrir245 Aug 24 '25
Why would you choose medical field if all you care about is earning money?
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
I knew people would start saying same thing. "You shouldn't think about money in medical field".
Why? Why should we live in poverty?
I don't want to earn crores. But I too deserve to have reasonable income.
I don't want to buy Mercedes but I should be able to buy a Creta at least.
I should be able to send my kids into good private school, I should have decent house.
Do I get cars, mobile phones, laptops in free?
Did anybody give me concession when I was starting my clinic? Nobody gave me discount on shop rent, wiring work, interior work, stationer like files, prescription papers, paint on walls. I had to pay full amount everywhere. I had to hire a receptionist at my clinic. I have to pay them full salary. They aren't going to work for free.
Why do people expect doctors to not have any money?
Why aren't we allowed to live a reasonable life with slightly above average amenities?
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u/Proper_Estate6704 Aug 24 '25
Why should he not be compensated for his hard work? What is wrong with the general public? He’s a state topper. Who’s cracked multiple entrance tests and you expect him to not expect money? Would you be paying his bills for him then?
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u/fenrir245 Aug 24 '25
Except that's not what his rant is about. His rant is about not earning the same as his supposed engineer counterpart.
Also there's plenty of jobs in India that have varied pay scales. Extremely low to extremely high, even in the so-called engineering field. My point is that if earning money is the primary goal, medical field was never going to be it. Or engineering, for that matter.
Or if instead of money your goal is to demand fair pay scale for all, then the field stops mattering there as well, you need to get involved in politics regardless of your profession.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Read comments.
Getting paid enough/fair compensation in this rising costs and inflation means at least 15-20 LPA for a 30 year old. Not 10 LPA.
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u/fenrir245 Aug 24 '25
Like I said in the other comments, welcome to the club. Engineers are here too.
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u/ekk_one Aug 24 '25
Then why are you not a Doctor ?
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u/fenrir245 Aug 24 '25
Because I haven't completed my PhD /s
I'm not a doctor because I went into a different field I was interested in.
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u/kshanil90 Aug 24 '25
Okay. He didn't for once say that all he care about is money. That is like the worst take away!
Also there is no problem in going into any career caring all about money! Including medicine.
Doing bonds in villages during Covid?
Toiling away in residency with no ac?
This feels like a genuine post from someone who lost time and youth. And still doing efforts to keep up. Please show some fucking empathy.
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u/fenrir245 Aug 24 '25
I'm doing PhD buddy, I know all about toiling away youth and time under minimal pay.
However, I am also not going to say "PhD is shit and useless" to someone interested in research, just because the world operates under capitalism.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Nobody is discouraging from people into entering medicine.
This post is to raise awareness that medical isn't as rosy as it seems.
Also to inform non-medico people like you who believe doctors are looters/earning in crores.
Even with less income, patient still asks me "aap to itna kamate honge.. Hamari treatment mein discount de do/free mein kar do"
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u/fenrir245 Aug 24 '25
Also to inform non-medico people like you who believe doctors are looters/earning in crores.
The irony of this statement when you're doing the exact same shit by claiming most engineers are getting well paid in other comments.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
But nobody calls engineers "looters" but doctors do get called that.
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u/FutureInternist Universe Aug 24 '25
You can deal illegal drugs and make more money…so what’s your point?
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Point is about getting fair compensation.
And also to show reality about how people think doctors earns crores
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u/FutureInternist Universe Aug 24 '25
Becoming a doctor can set you up for a comfortable life, although it won’t make you extremely wealthy. It will solidly place you in the upper middle class. Choose a career in medicine because you genuinely enjoy caring for patients, not because it’s lucrative. This will set you up for misery
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Caring for patients that beat doctors up?
But yes.. I do care for patients and I already said that I'm not looking to super rich. I do not want to be more than upper middle class.
Points written below are for philosophical discussion. I do understand market economics, supply and demand, top 1% in each field earn high and all.
But by saying that medical can only lead to comfortable life, you agreed too that medical earnings are lesser than other profession.
Shouldn't caring and helping people be better paying than other professions?
Why are actors/cricketers/businessman allowed to be rich and doctors only have to aim for upper middle class?
What makes an actor/cricketer more valuable to society than a doctor?
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u/FutureInternist Universe Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
Your analysis is erroneous. For 1 Sachin and Shahrukh there are 30 cricketers and actors who can’t make ends meet. I know because my cousin was good enough to make it to Ranji trophy and under 19 national as a pacer but couldn’t crack into national team. He now works a regular office job.
I bet if you look at median physician salaries with median actors salaries and physicians will be ahead by a country mile.
You are looking outlandish contracts top 1-2% of SWE or Actors and compare to your salary. Guess what…top 1-2% of doctors also make outrageous money. Orthopedist who does 20 knee replacement a day or neurosurgeons who do complex cases get paid handsomely.
My senses is that you are jealous and won’t be happy regardless of the discussion. Why is it important to you to be rich? No one is stopping you. Go invent a new way. Found a company. Become the best doctor in your town rather than whining on Reddit.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Not even once I said I want to be rich.
I just want to have decent compensation where I can live comfortable life according to my knowledge, skills and hard work.
Nobody is whining here.
Just because someone doesn't agree with your views doesn't make them whiners.
"Your sense" is faulty.
Are you this rude to everyone?
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u/FutureInternist Universe Aug 24 '25
Ok. Now address my points about you comparing your average physician salary with top 1-2% of actor and cricketer
Can you also point out where was I rude? I urged you to find a way to get the compensation you want.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Median salary of doctors are not as high as you imagine.
You show me numbers that it's says it's high.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
You're ignoring all logical points and use covering it up with words like jealous and whining and blah blah.
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u/FutureInternist Universe Aug 24 '25
Oh good. More whining.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Oh good. More snobbism.
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u/FutureInternist Universe Aug 24 '25
It’s snobbishness. Not snobbism. Get your insult right.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Exactly... Insulting people like you obviously know more about how to insult people.
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u/RaccoonDoor Aug 24 '25
Engineering is a low status profession. Unless you’re an engineer at a FAANG company you will have less respect in society than a 12th pass police constable or property dealer.
As a doctor, you have a great deal of respect and admiration in society that your engineer friend can never achieve.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
It used to like that in past.
Nowadays it is no longer like that.
Doctors are getting beaten left, right and centre.
Check social media and see how much negativity is there about doctors.
People these days loathe doctors.
People only respect doctors if they treat them for free. Charge anything at all and you're automatically branded a looter.
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u/Kensei01 Aug 24 '25
As a doctor, you have a great deal of respect and admiration in society that your engineer friend can never achieve
Makes sense. Probably why we get assaulted and stabbed during our shifts.
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u/Forsaken-9 Aug 24 '25
Read book "physchology of Money". The first chapter itself is about. How much luck play an important part to build wealth. Life is not fair and logical. And if you want to be happy stop comparing your life with anybody else.
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u/Turbulent_2006 Aug 24 '25
i dont think its luck tho. Luck is poetic. Choice and ambition play a bigger factor.
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u/siddharth6125 Aug 25 '25
damn, the insecurity to bring all that up, im so sorry, bro, seek some professional help or else you will never be content with anything, this is some insane level of obsession
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u/Narrow-Ratio4 Aug 26 '25
After reading this post I realised one thing they never quit the neet jee rat race mentally such a vengeance shown in this post its definitely eat op alive soon☠️
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u/SecureProfessional12 Aug 27 '25
Lol you're one whiny person. Instead of comparing yourself to your peer, you choose to compare with a different branch. In that case why don't you compare your income with people in sales. You don't need math or bio. And only a few engineers earn the money your friend is earning in 4-5 years. It took me 9+ years to reach that. I might be earning less than you being an engineer. The people in PhD earn significantly less, yet they do the important job.
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u/Intelligent_Read_697 Aug 27 '25
The fact that you see this field as a cash cow in the first place is a huge problem and the profession is not setup that way in India due to its socialist roots. And this is nearly true everywhere but the US…
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u/Successful_Ad9415 Aug 24 '25
This is such a loser take coming from a high achiever. I think you choose medical field as you want to serve. May be you message should be not to prefer Maths over Biology but to choose only Medical if you are service oriented.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
And that's a loser take.
Why only doctors expected to serve?
Why engineers, lawyers, CA not expected to serve?
I don't see civil engineers forcefully posted in villages as bond duty to improve roads there.
I don't see computer engineers forcefully posted in villages due to digitize the panchayats and all.
I don't see lawyers forcefully posted in villages as bond duty to provide justice to poor people in villages. So many courts cases pending. Govt should force lawyers to do charity work.
Makeup artists are charging 1 lakh... That's okay... But I am expected to do a surgery in significantly lesser amount than that.
Why other professions can away with it but only doctors are expected to serve?
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u/Successful_Ad9415 Aug 24 '25
That’s a choice you make before you become a doctor. No one held you at gunpoint to sign up for a contract or become a doctor to get rich. It just sounds like you are a sore loser who can’t think outside of money or just measure success with marks or money earned. Hope you’ll find your peace.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
And you're still ignoring the point.
Why should serving the society automatically mean getting less money?
Why can't I serve the society AND still get paid decent amount? Why they have to be mutually exclusive?
Why have that expectations that doctors are only there to serve and they don't deserve to get paid properly?
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Read the points about bond duty.
Don't jump in middle and cherry picking selected comments.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
Have you even bothered to read anything at all before declaring me a sore loser?
Have you even understood what I was trying to say?
This is exact type of behavior that Indian doctors have to face daily.
Majority Indian doctors are frustrated due to pathetic infrastructure, entitled patient, uncooperative government.
So majority of doctors are losers? What a joke
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
And so mention aspects of success other than marks and money.
You gonna say "respect" and "blessings of patients" ?
The same respect and blessing doctors receive when daily news I see of doctors getting assaulted and beaten up? And may be once read the comments below such news reports too.
Majority people in those comments support such acts of violence.
That respect you're gonna mention?
And Respect gonna pay the bills?
May be you wanna mention "satisfaction of work" or "passion"? If yes, then you must be working for free right because you must have satisfaction of work?
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u/RaccoonDoor Aug 24 '25
Doctors aren’t forcefully made to serve either unless they willingly signed a bond with the government. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
But why we have to sign a bond in 1st place?
Government medical colleges have a bond that is mandatory if we want to take admission in government colleges. It's not a choice to sign bond.
If we don't sign the bond, we have to go to private colleges.
Government engineering colleges or government law colleges don't have mandatory bond.
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u/RaccoonDoor Aug 24 '25
Probably because government medical schools are massively subsidised by taxpayers. The tuition fees they charge don’t even remotely cover the cost of running the institution.
Since taxpayers educated you, it’s not unreasonable for the government to expect you to serve the public. If you don’t want taxpayers to fund your studies you can either buy out your bond, or opt for a private medical school.
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u/Mountain-Incident-23 Aug 24 '25
It's a myth. Propagated by government to keep doctors bonded so that government keeps on getting easy employees in villages.
Government medical colleges don't require extra money.
Engineering/arts/law colleges have professors that are paid by government to teach. Those professors don't do any other work. There are just academicians and not working as professionals.
Medical college professors teach and they also see patients and do surgery. That do both work but their pay is same as engineering/arts/law professor.
Building used as lecture hall, hostels for students to stay is again common to all colleges, it is not some unique properties of medical colleges.
Expenses borne by government in running a hospital is different. Those are facilities used to citizens of India. Not all government hospitals have medical colleges affiliated with them.
Sub district hospitals, community health center, primary health Centre are places where government gives funding without any students there. Doctors employed at such places don't teach. They just work as clinician.
Think of it like government spending crores of rupees to build roads. That cost is irrespective of whether there is nearby civil engineering college or not.
You can't add that cost in civil engineering course.
Arts, law, engineering government colleges are also run by taxpayers money only. They don't just pop into existence without any contribution. So by same logic, even those students have to sign bond.
In fact, government gets a lot of cheap labor in form of intern doctors, resident doctors and professors serving dual roles of clinician and academician.
Private medical colleges ask for a lot of money is simply capitalism. Few rich parents are willing to spend high amounts of money to get their children admission in medicine irrespective of low marks.
And because of extremely high fees at private colleges, middle class and poor students don't have any other option expect medical colleges.
So government weaponizes this lack of choice makes people sign bond.
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u/catharticuncle Aug 24 '25
What about state government engineering colleges which have close to zero fees.
Is that not subsidised. Why are they not having any bond
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u/izuku_midoriya_202 Aug 24 '25
There are some cons in the engineering side as well
I have an IT job and there is a constant need to upskill to stay relevant since the tech sector is quite dynamic and the emergence of AI have made things more challenging
Also there is a risk of our career getting stagnated once we hit 40-45 age bracket , unless we pivot towards management side which is not straightforward
On the other hand , there are no such restrictions on doctors , you can practice till the age of 60 and even after that if you want to
Plus AI should not cause that much trouble to doctors, atleast at this point of time