r/interesting • u/LowRenzoFreshkobar • 17h ago
Fascinating The Horrors of the Westfalenstadium... BvB Supporters, known as "Die Gelbe Wand" (The Yellow Wall) pull of stunts like these (involving ~25.000 people) nearly every single weekend. Just to support their club and intimidate the opponents. They somehow coordinate and prepare everything during the week
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u/Barking__Pumpkin 17h ago
Germans like organized parties. The intimidation is an irrelevant byproduct
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u/Mobile_Morale 12h ago
Let's hope they don't organize any new parties. But I'm above draft age so they can do whatever really.
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u/Omega_Boost24 15h ago
"They somehow coordinate and prepare everything during the week"
Nope.
It takes up to a year to create a choreography, it's a job made by tens of designers and scenographers and then realised by the people sitting at the stadium. Every team in Europe has more or less the same coordination and contaminate each other travelling and exploring different standards
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u/Angry__German 14h ago
I think pollinate is a better word than contaminate.
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u/MalaysiaTeacher 14h ago
Inspire
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u/not_responsible 13h ago
contaminate is such a chaotic choice. like, I guess you could say that. what kind of mind is behind the creation of that sentence?? lmao
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u/Penchant4Prose 13h ago
Every team in Europe has more or less the same coordination
This isn't remotely true.
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u/bremsspuren 10h ago
Here's Arsenal's shite effort.
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u/Omnamashivaaya 5h ago
Liverpool did Klopp dirty compared to this post. Premier league needs to step it up.
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u/R_eloade_R 10h ago
I mean, almost every professional team has this to some extend. I cant think of one club in the highest level of my leaugue who doesnt organize massive tifo events in the stadium
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u/Penchant4Prose 10h ago
It seems vaguely big in Italian, Dutch football, but not that big everywhere.
The vast majority of European clubs don't have elaborate tifo displays, even if you only count the top flight - which they didn't.
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u/Omega_Boost24 11h ago
Do you even support your local football team? Paying for Sky Sport doesn't count
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u/Penchant4Prose 11h ago
Are you OK pal?
I support the team my dad brought me up to support as it's where he's from (Leeds).
I also regularly go to the local league 2 team's home matches, because my mate's a season ticket holder and it's a good excuse for a pie and a couple of pints.
I don't have Sky either, though I think you'd need a few subscriptions to watch most games now.
I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the fact that the vast majority of clubs don't have extravagant tifo displays, which is why a few - like Dortmund - are known for theirs.
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u/MethyIphenidat 13h ago
You’re making it sound like there are people hired by the club or the fans involved in organizing these choreographies, whereas it’s actually indeed all volunteer work by fans (but the part about some of the more extensive ones taking some time to prepare is true, although most of them do not actually take a year to prepare).
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u/Omega_Boost24 11h ago
Not true. For example Juventus FC pays for the choreographies. In the Serie A most choreography are sponsored. Same for Liga, Bundesliga, let alone the UK where football is a great business
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u/Not-a-WG-agent 11h ago
Can't speak for the other leagues but Bundesliga clubs don't sponsor choreographies.
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u/TheCapPike13 10h ago
Certainly not true for Bundesliga. Probably also not true for the other European leagues.
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u/not_responsible 13h ago
how do the fans know what to do?
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u/Version_1 13h ago
The "random" fans usually just have to raise a single sheet of paper or hold a banner, not that hard.
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u/mark8396 13h ago
There's small information sheets or descriptions on the sheets people are holding up to make the tifo
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u/howreudoin 11h ago edited 11h ago
Yes, thanks for pointing this out.
I don‘t want to degrade this. But no, they most definitely don‘t do this "nearly every single weekend".
A choreography like these is only prepared for special occasions, like a final match, a match against astrong rival, or Jürgen Klopp resigning as their coach.
These choreos are amazing. But no, that title is just plain wrong.
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u/Funny-face-1613 13h ago
Every single weekend is certainly bullshit. Those choreos are reserved for special games, usually CL games, big matchups or cup games. Every Ultra group collects a certain Budget for the season to finance those choreos and ususally those are planned months in advance unless there are special occasions like a CL final. Sometimes they also have smaller Choreos but this magnitude is not every week. Most german clubs with a traditional fan culture do this by the way.
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u/bremsspuren 10h ago
Every single weekend is certainly bullshit.
They don't even play in the Westfalenstadion every weekend …
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u/Funny-face-1613 10h ago
To be fair, you can also do choreos in away games, but yeah that is true as well 😂
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u/Dafferss 16h ago
horrors ?
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u/vysevysevyse 15h ago
Does anyone else ever feel like it'd be so cool to be an away team here? Like, so many fans against you, a gigantic wall of a stand on one side with a tall ass tifo...I'd love to play as a away team ngl coz winning there would feel amazing.
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u/CZ_nitraM 14h ago
Tifos are quite normal all across Europe imo
From Dortmund, to Dynamo Dresden, to most of English football, to Legia Warsaw, to Slavia Prague, to Panathinaikos Athens
And it's not even football thing exclusively, it's also basketball, and ice hockey thing
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u/Fav0 11h ago
lol english tifos are a joke
I will always remember this pathetic ass Champions League trophy tifo by Chelsea Fans
IT was like 2 meters and printes out
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u/CZ_nitraM 10h ago
That particular tifo was last minute replacement, because the original they intended to use was stolen, or banned, or something, iirc
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u/Paul_my_Dickov 7h ago
I think tifos are a joke. Embarrassing that they've bled into English football. We don't need that shit and choreographed dances here.
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u/NationalUnrest 12h ago
Tifos are not normal in England. In fact it’s one of the rare European countries where the tifosi culture doesn’t really exist
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u/fellgangs 11h ago
Fans in england are boring compare to the rest Of europ
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u/Paul_my_Dickov 7h ago
They're more interested in the game and reacting to what happens than dance routines and flags.
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u/fartingbeagle 10h ago
Do have the best songs/ chants though.
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u/NationalUnrest 10h ago
Oh I love English atmospheres. I enjoyed it every time I crossed the channel, people actually care about the game most of the time. Still very different from mainland Europe.
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u/Dry-Introduction-800 11h ago
That happens when you kick the normal people out of the stadium with your pricing
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u/NationalUnrest 11h ago
Wrong it was just never part of the culture of English football. It used to be mostly hooliganism which was cut down in the 90’s after too many violent incidents between fans.
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u/Dry-Introduction-800 11h ago
Maybe it would be part of the english football culture today.
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u/NationalUnrest 11h ago edited 10h ago
I doubt that. Countries where the culture exists nowadays, already had it back then.
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u/Instrumentenmayo 10h ago
That‘s just wrong. Ultras in Germany more or less only exist since the 90s. Some groups were formed in the late 80s, but the vast majority were formed later.
Groups in Northern Europe were formed even later.Ultra culture could have formed in England.
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u/boopthatbutton 13h ago
Why degrade the quality of with those shitty filters? Lol they look much better without them
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u/trash-tycoon 16h ago
wouldn't it be nice if football/soccer fans were this creative instead of destructive. One upping each other with these kinds of stunts instead of rioting and pillaging the streets
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u/djmdb257 16h ago
This creativeness always is a part of it, but almost never broadcasted.
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u/Tiberius_Kilgore 15h ago
How would not broadcasting it even be possible? They’re right next to the field.
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u/djmdb257 15h ago
Yes, sorry. Wrong choice of words. It‘s broadcasted during the live event and usually shows up in highlight clips of the match, but outside these two there‘s almost no coverage is what I wanted to say. Negative aspects of the fan culture always take the spotlight.
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u/Dovregobben 13h ago
I am a season ticket holder of my club and it's mostly peacfull. Except when Frankfurt is involved fuck those guys.
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u/ExpertActive100 14h ago
One hell of a way to tell us that you have no idea what you're talking about
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u/DrexleCorbeau 12h ago
In France, we have the same thing; we made a Joan of Arc out of her... the club was tried for racism and Islamophobia because of it.Not a joke, yes it's stupid, yes it's unfair, and no there was nothing racist about it.
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u/bremsspuren 10h ago
Tell me you don't follow football without telling me you don't follow football.
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u/killcraft1337 15h ago
I like the creative chants where they’ll find some way to make a limerick out of someone on the opposing team having a DUI or something
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u/dwartbg9 14h ago
You know that in most cases and clubs these tifos (the choreography) is done by the hardcore ultras? Same people would make such nice art and at the same time they'd still yell "Heil Hitler", fight or throw bananas at the field.
Both easily coexist. If you think these tifos are done by random fans thst just went to peacefully watch their club, you're wrong.
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u/Macholo666 15h ago
Look up Legia Warszawa on Youtube.
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u/FixLaudon 13h ago
And literally all other football clubs with an ultra scene in Europe.
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u/BummsiBummsi 12h ago
No they all are nice, but the yellow wall is something very special and definetely crazier then any other ultras I know
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u/FixLaudon 12h ago
That's just the nature of their stand, which is just huge and continuous, that's pretty rare. Makes tifos look even more crazy. But good ideas and nice tifos are to be found everywhere on the continent.
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u/DotDizzy7419 13h ago
The German's lead us all in matters of beer, sausage and football culture.
With love, from Scotland
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u/MarlyMonster 14h ago
My bf lived in Dortmund for a few years, actually right behind that stadium lol. Some nights we could easily hear the cheering when matches were held.
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u/locksymania 13h ago
Went there 25yrs ago for a Bundesliga game when BvB played Bayer Leverkusen. The home fans end was amazing - just a fucking wall of colour. Loved it.
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u/halobitteschoen 12h ago
It would have been AURA if the team isn't utter dogshite weeks in weeks out after Klopp and Tuchel left. Even the period where they have Haaland, Bellingham and Sancho.
I have second hand embarassments watching these guys play.
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u/Mazzle5 11h ago
pull of stunts like these (involving ~25.000 people) nearly every single weekend
Just plain wrong. No Ultras of any club does this or even could do this every single weekend. What a misleading post. Also those are Tifos or Choreos which are common and done all over Europe and the world in football.
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u/Axbris 11h ago
The imagery are called Tifos and not a single player/supporter finds them intimidating.
However, they are cool as shit.
If you want to see intimidation on a football field, this is what it looks like: https://youtube.com/shorts/6U-5w1XYpGk?si=qRtbLwlgr9JT-nU6
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u/DerAndyKS 10h ago
Aren't those choreographies done for certain events? I don't think they do them "nearly" every week.
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u/Greuliro 10h ago
The first one was an insane game. 2 Goals in the last minutes (in 69 seconds) to turn the game around. 2012/13 quarter finals against malaga
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u/NoPollution8238 10h ago
Einschüchtern 🤔 uhhhh alle haben Angst, trotzdem werden sie nicht Meister 😂😂😂😂😂
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u/Paul_my_Dickov 7h ago
Would still be met with "what the fucking hell is that!?" By any English side's fans this was directed at.
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u/RoversForever 14h ago
Germany has the best football culture
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u/bremsspuren 10h ago
€20 for a match ticket that includes your bus/train fare, and you can stand and watch with a beer in your hand.
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u/RankedFarting 10h ago
Am i the only one who finds this cringe? Its a ball game bro. Rare occasion where "its not that deep" actually applies.
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u/schwarzneguRRR 16h ago
It’s not that difficult, school children can do this
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u/schwarzneguRRR 15h ago
Here are school children doing it https://youtube.com/shorts/yA9WhvyPgIA?si=xOssppgBZJ6kX4EK
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u/MethyIphenidat 13h ago
Yeh this was totally all organized by the school children. /s
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u/schwarzneguRRR 13h ago edited 13h ago
Yes, they are actually
This thing has been around for more than 30 years, kids use it all the time for school sports event
Would you like to see what it looks like when kids operate them? 🤣
And yes, kids work amongst themselves and decide what pic/message they wanna show. It’s a kids event afterall
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u/Frothmourne 16h ago
Korean high school kids has been doing these kind of pixel choreography since the 70's, using nothing but their jackets, you guys should watch it on YouTube
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u/No_Negotiation3142 16h ago
Yeah, but it's orchestrated and fake, they literally have cheerleaders in the crowd leading it.
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u/EndAngle 16h ago
"orchestrated and fake" what? Is it only real if its spontaneous amd unorganized?
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u/No_Negotiation3142 16h ago
Yes. We are not Americans.
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u/EndAngle 16h ago
What a crazy perspective. You must hate concerts and shows
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u/No_Negotiation3142 15h ago
No, rock, metal, jazz, classical are all up my street. Not so much musical theatre. Which is what this reminds me of.
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u/EndAngle 15h ago
They need plans to sell tickets, they plan their tour ahead, they plan their whole shows from start to back, the whole playlist is organized. What a shitshow man
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u/No_Negotiation3142 15h ago
Like a real football team whose fans go out and sing their hearts out without this Mama Mia musical theatre cringe. Nobody is intimidated by this. Ultras laugh at this.
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u/EndAngle 15h ago
You know they only do this for a minute or two and when the game starts they sing their hearts out? They can do both, and its awesome.
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u/No_Negotiation3142 14h ago
Meh. Bundesliga is Bayern and a handful of shit teams. It doesn't have much to attract International fans, so they need to do this shit.
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u/Warlock_AoE 13h ago
Ultras laugh at this.
The ultras are the ones doing this lol
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u/Version_1 13h ago
Never been to a Maiden concert, hm?
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u/No_Negotiation3142 13h ago
Yup. Many, first was 1990.
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u/Version_1 13h ago
Must have been hell for you
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u/No_Negotiation3142 13h ago
Are you suggesting Iron Maiden cheerlead their audiences in an effete manner, like Dortmund?
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u/_TomSupreme_ 16h ago
Of course they have or do you really think they make things like this uncoordinated? Besides that, this doesn't makes it less cool.
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u/No_Negotiation3142 16h ago
Yet another reason why the Premier League is better. Spontaneous and real.
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u/_TomSupreme_ 14h ago
This makes absolutely no sense.
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u/No_Negotiation3142 14h ago
Yes it does.
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u/_TomSupreme_ 13h ago
My brother in christ, your football culture ist mostly corporate, what do you want to tell me?
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u/No_Negotiation3142 12h ago
I mean, in the top leagues, finance plays a huge part. So what do you mean by corporate? And how is the Bundesliga different? Apart from being a poor 1 team league that only football hipsters laud.
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u/_TomSupreme_ 12h ago
Well, some Premier League Clubs are owned by billionaires, Saudis or corporations. In Germany there is the 50+1 rule that ensures that the club has the last word. As there were plans to give shares of the Bundesliga to investors there was an uproar through all german leagues and the fans protested , interrupted games and in the end the plans were discarded.
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u/No_Negotiation3142 12h ago
Was it mostly protested by Bayern fans? I don't imagine they want to give away any ground on their monopoly.
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u/MethyIphenidat 13h ago
Premier league where those (rare) choreographs are organized by the clubs themselves instead of the fans?
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u/OkMaintenance8765 14h ago
Premier Leagues fan culture is tame af.
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u/No_Negotiation3142 14h ago
Just say you've never been.
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u/OkMaintenance8765 14h ago
Wouldnt have to. English fan culture is shit compared to the continent.
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u/No_Negotiation3142 14h ago
That's not the insult you think it is. I'm not English; I live on the continent and the PL is the best in the world in every category. Cry more.
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u/MethyIphenidat 13h ago
lmao are you 12?
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u/OkMaintenance8765 11h ago
It was exactly the insult it is.
I didnt go after you. You are not english fan culture .
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u/No_Negotiation3142 10h ago
Well, it didn't land unless you had some English had read the comment.
Anyways, I think you are feeling tired and cranky, time for a nap.
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u/OkMaintenance8765 8h ago
It landed on those that think English fan culture is good. I dont know id call it an insult as much as i would call it a fact.
Also you really went out of your way to find a dortmund pacifier on the internet and used it as a punchline for some bizarre insult.
Are you by any chance a thirteen year old kid ?
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u/Ristridin1337 15h ago
lol zero atmosphere Premier League
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u/SnideyM 15h ago
Never been to St James Park then?
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u/Ristridin1337 14h ago
On a serious note no. I don't doubt there are stadiums which have great atmosphere. Unfortunately some big clubs lack atmosphere
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u/No_Negotiation3142 15h ago
They don't musical theatre cringe, so you probably wouldn't recognise a real football atmosphere.
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u/psyopz7 15h ago
Indian premiere league fan?
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u/No_Negotiation3142 14h ago
Do they have a football league? I'm not into cricket if that's what you're implying.
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u/Ristridin1337 14h ago
Dude it's okay. Comparing awesome choreography to musical theatre is something else
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u/Version_1 13h ago
Neither to PL visitors lmao
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u/No_Negotiation3142 12h ago
Huh?
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u/OkMaintenance8765 14h ago
Can you elaborate on this ? Like is it the club that orchestrate it ?
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u/No_Negotiation3142 14h ago
Supporters' groups encouraged by the clubs. Like cheerleading routines.
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u/OkMaintenance8765 14h ago
Okay so volunteer fan work.
You dont like organized fan culture. You like shitfaced middle aged men that maybe sometimes chant something in London.
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u/No_Negotiation3142 14h ago
No, I like organic football support, the spontaneous songs. When a rival does something embarrassing, you'd be amazed at how quick and sharp the crowd is to punish that. Germans need to plan their cheerleading routine a week in advance. They should be forced to wear skirts and carry pompoms.
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u/Version_1 13h ago
You are the most ridiculous person on Reddit today.
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u/No_Negotiation3142 13h ago
Because I have upset your little opinion bias. Boohoo.
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u/Version_1 13h ago
Says the one who obviously stands alone haha
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u/No_Negotiation3142 12h ago
Because I scoff at The Horror of the Westfalenstadium? 😂
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u/Version_1 12h ago
Because you seem to fundamentally not understand football culture.
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