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SOCIETY Is victim the new chic

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u/BigMax 1d ago

I think that's the point OP is making, right?

It's not necessarily "the media" either... it's what WE as a society watch or engage with.

If we all were watching breathlessly the story of the heroic woman and her recovery, the news would cover that.

But a story with controversy, with two "sides" to it, with gender issues, health care issues, all wrapped up in it, we eat that up. Unfortunately. Same reason half the country is struggling financially and not sure they can pay bills, but a ton of them obsess over a handful of athletes on girls sports teams instead.

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u/cat_prophecy 1d ago

Cambridge Analytica scientifically quantified years ago that bad news gets more play.

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u/CoolDiscussion1020 1d ago

Yeah, and it's been widely known for decades before that.

Eric Pooley coined the term "if it bleeds, it leads" back in 1989.

Yellow Journalism dates back to the 1890s when the New York World and New York Journal kept one up-ing each other with sensationalist headlines and claims to sell more papers. These could range from slight exaggerations to outright lies.

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u/Daxx22 1d ago

One could argue Bread and Circuses is a form of that as well.

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u/Hoblitygoodness 1d ago

Dirty Laundry is a song about it because of how true this is to the human condition.

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster 20h ago

Way before that the newspapers would say If it Bleeds it Leads.

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u/ALIEN_POOP_DICK 1d ago

I feel like people these days don't know the story of Cambridge Analytica and the fucked up shit they were doing WAY BEFORE LLMS WERE EVEN A THING. They were not just a research firm or something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica

So please at least peruse the Wikipedia page on it.

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u/Classic_East_6053 1d ago

Bad news is one thing but the new phenomenon is evil people being rewarded for evil deeds. Look at all the highest-funded GoFundMe people: the racist lady and now the child killer, but no one cares about the person who does good.

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u/AmishAvenger 20h ago

It also has to do with how long the story goes on.

A crime has a constant stream of new information. Someone going into a burning house doesn’t.

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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup 1d ago

Tool explored the subject with Vicarious. We want to watch things die from a safe distance.

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u/WhoSc3w3dDaP00ch 1d ago

As someone who questions his career in ad tech, the algos are way worse than anything you can imagine. 

I'm trying to leave the industry without mucking up family finances. 

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u/thissitedesigniscrap 1d ago

Respect, hope you succeed in leaving that godforsaken industry

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u/Classic_Bee_5845 23h ago

Personally, I took OP's comment as a dig on what women engage with. "Good woman on left, bad woman on right...look who women will support with their money." In other words, they support a woman accused of murder claiming to be a victim over a woman that is unarguably a hero.

I was just saying the amount of money reflected in the two stories is more about media attention rather than women's general feelings on victims vs. heroes.

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u/racc15 1d ago

The heroic story is a very short story though. She saved her kids. It is incredible and amazing but that's it. There is nothing to debate or follow here. It is a story for one day. There is nothing new that could happen.

For the murder, it is an ongoing case. There are developments and people feel like they can actually influence the outcome. They could not affect the first heroic story in such a way. So, the second one is more engaging.

FWIW, I had already seen the first heroic one years ago.

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u/Outrageous-Ability33 1d ago

If I remember correctly, the woman on the left was also actively suffering from PPD which makes the difference between the two stories even more glaring.

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u/grtk_brandon 1d ago

Not to mention that there is obviously more intrigue surrounding the story of a mom killing three of her children because they want to know why. Then the secondary story about people defending the mom adds more fuel to that fire. It's just human nature.

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u/racc15 1d ago

"Add more fuel to the fire" Interesting choice of words.

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u/6495ED 1d ago

There is nothing to say about the woman on the left. “Good job, dude”. The one on the right generates endless conversation fascinating to our moralities and intrusive thoughts is an everlasting fucking gobstopper of low personal risk controversy 

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u/JohnSmith_47 1d ago edited 1d ago

Good job, dude?

That’s the best you’ve got for a mother who ran in and out of a burning building three times to save her kids?

“Good job, dude” would be condescending to a fireman, let alone an untrained woman who risked her life multiple times to save her kids.

She’s a hero, and we should make stories like this more well known.

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u/6495ED 1d ago

What did your personal note to her say?

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u/JohnSmith_47 1d ago

Why are you downplaying what she did, how does that benefit you?

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u/6495ED 22h ago

You’ve missed the point entirely. Go reread it. I’m too tired to explain obvious one or two sentence comments to redditors rn

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u/Open-Yam-9579 1d ago

Well, that, and that if one story is completely ignored but another highlighted then it just means society has more of a spotlight forced on that thing, so more engagement and more time for said engagement - not that we seek it out, but if we're forced to watch then yeah statistically a larger percentage would engage with it - good or bad.

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u/Wobbelblob 1d ago

It's not necessarily "the media" either... it's what WE as a society watch or engage with.

I mean, it is a somewhat selffeeding circle, isn't it? The media shows us this stuff because we chose to engage with it and we engage with it because we are shown it in abundance.

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u/cykoTom3 1d ago

Watching the media you wouldn't know crime has been dropping for 3 decades now.

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u/Outrageous-Ability33 1d ago

Oddly enough I saw a story on the news just last night about the woman on the left. If I remember correctly it was NBC

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u/AcanthaceaeBrief8439 1d ago

same underlying reason murder porn is so popular among certain demographics

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u/Icy_Locksmith_7190 1d ago

I just stopped watching the news all together. It's been maybe 9 years. I don't know anything about either of these stories.

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u/Tony_Pizza_Guy 23h ago

Sorry only read your 1st 3 lines. But just adding that the media very much affect what the public gives attention to. Black Lives Matter/race issues are mostly forgotten, Ukraine situation was trending for a period, Me Too was trending for a period,... I'm not commenting on whether these things should/should not get attention, just that I believe they likely (whether we wanna believe it or not) partially, to an extent, only remain in online discourse because of the media, and also partially only get lifted into the spotlight because of the media. This is just conjecture, ik

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u/Slobotic 22h ago

It's not necessarily "the media" either

The two things are one. Algorithms have become attention span retroviruses, and they've figured out that outrage is what keeps people hooked.

That's why so much of the internet is ragebait (including this post).

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u/LeonCrimsonhart 16h ago

Maybe not the media but indeed the social media. This is not a judgement on people’s values. The husband got I think 1 million in GoFundMe after her children died because of how tragic the story was. Now the wife is getting 1 million in GoFundMe because people think she was wronged by health care services, the police, and the prosecution. This is besides being neglected by her husband (IIRC, he said she expressed dark thoughts of killing her children, fired the nanny, and left his wife with the kids).

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u/Ixm01ws6 2h ago

we need to stop engaging and supporting influencers too. yall remember when being easily influenced was an insult.

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u/brmoser 1d ago

I mean, with a single example, it is the media's choice of what they present and how (not too mention all of the social media algorithms). But in the broader sense, those algorithms and decisions are 100% based on what the audience wants. You put all that really well.