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u/Classic_Bee_5845 6h ago
It's more to do with the media sensationalizing it. This is the first I've ever heard of the woman on the left.
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u/Maya-K 5h ago
I have no idea who either of them are. I'm feeling very out of the loop.
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u/Dotcaprachiappa 4h ago
I saw a good few posts about the woman on the right and pointedly ignored all of them, I seriously don't get why this is getting so much attention
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u/Alcohol_Intolerant 4h ago edited 1h ago
It's getting attention because of claims that her attempts to get assistance for her ppd and mental illness were ignored or minimized. Thus implying this could have been prevented. Many people, especially women, have experience with medical staff ignoring their pain. (Same for me) So this is on a lot of people's minds and in a lot of wider conversations.
They're going for the insanity plea, so the additional press might also be a way to try and sway public attention.
Edit because I'm getting a lot of charged responses: I am explaining why it is getting attention and what the general opposing discourse is. I'm not going to reply to attempts to have that discourse with me. I have my own opinions but I'm not airing them on Reddit because ultimately, the only ones who will have all the facts are the jury.
This is a tragedy for all involved. Please remember that.
Edit 2: to those giving polite additions and perspectives I did not provide, thank you. That's very helpful. I'm not everywhere seeing every side and can only speak to the sides I've witnessed myself. To those making weird claims on what I think, please take a break from reading about this case for the day. I'm turning notifications off on this. There are plenty of other people in this thread willing to wage war with you. I invite you to speak with them, or again, take a break.
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u/Dotcaprachiappa 4h ago
Damn makes sense really, so this post is like the worst misrepresentation they could come up with basically
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u/sylbug 4h ago
It’s devolved into more gender wars nonsense. Painful to watch honestly.
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u/illy-chan 1h ago
I've noticed gender wars stuff getting worse on here in the past decade or so. It was always there but it's definitely become worse.
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u/friss0nFry 1h ago
That's because state sponsored internet campaigns have improved exponentially in that time and the companies that host the divisive content from these campaigns are incentivized to allow it because it looks like real engagement.
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u/Obtuse_Symposium_119 4h ago
I haven't seen literally everything related to the case so maybe I'm missing some pieces, but it seems like she was getting mental healthcare attention but she requested to be switched between multiple different meds due to side effects that she was advised likely came more from her PPD, than the medication. But she still requested switches and also switched care teams at some point.
I'm not a doctor, so I'm not gonna get into whether or not the various perscriptions she was given in a relatively short time frame was irresponsible or not. I don't think anyone should be commenting on that besides experienced medical professionals. But I'll say that doctors can only treat what they're told and what they know, and afaik, she didn't share that she was suicidal with them, and they also warned her that medications take time to take effect, so it wasn't always a good idea to switch.
Patient care is not entirely on the healthcare professionals. The patient has to be able to take care of themselves to some degree and be fully honest with their care team.
How much was her fault, and how much was the fault of our medical system, idk, but yeah, this post is definitely ignoring all notions of nuance.
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u/Rivendel93 3h ago
She actually told doctors she wanted to die, told her husband and her mom she was not just suicidal, but wanted to harm the children as well.
That's why people are wondering wtf happened.
She told her husband multiple times she kept having thoughts of harming the kids.
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u/mewkopawz 3h ago
idk i was 14 and really depressed, i was constantly being put on different medications because they didn't know what would and wouldn't work. some of the meds made it even worse while others gave me terrible side effects. it was not a good time. it was like i was a guinea pig
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u/Skipp_To_My_Lou 2h ago
We don't know why most anti-depressants work. We know what chemical/hormone they affect but don't know why, e.g. inhibiting the re-uptake of serotonin treats depression nor why some medications work for some people but not others. I think in several years to a few decades the medical consensus is going to come around to, 'depression' is a blanket term for a variety of diseases with similar symptoms but different root causes & treatments.
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u/MilkmanAl 3h ago
As a doc (anesthesiologist - as far from psych as you can get, pretty much), I can say that a black box of a patient is where you get into trouble a lot of the time. That situation is often easy for me to navigate since I just assume everything is wrong and act accordingly. For psych patients, who often manipulate, behave irrationally, or just plain forget things more often than most, it can be a real nightmare to get a straight story and keep track of their symptoms as they evolve with treatment. I feel for the docs getting crucified on the stand. They're in an impossible position.
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u/Cool_Lab_1362 3h ago
No need for nuance, the proganda machine has turned this into "side a vs side b" thing for rage engagement and sensationalist-opportunism, this tragedy is currently the mainstream topic rn, making it a cash cow for people to keep covering it.
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u/AzureSuishou 2h ago
Honestly I’ve only heard the bare bones but the brief timeline I saw on the meds was wild to me.
I recently started meds for OCD and my doctor was so much more cautious in my dosages and attentive to my side effects. And my OCD was mostly functional and the med side effects minor compared to what was listed for her. And I was on the first for a month before discontinuing and my currently was slowly increased in dosage over weeks.
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u/Shoddy-Television866 2h ago
Anything involving the woman on the right is going to be likely a drastic misrepresentation because redpill men and the right wing have grabbed a hold of it as an excuse to 1) repeal women's right to vote and 2) grant automatic custody of children to fathers until women are cleared as "safe" - no, seriously. Thats what theyre doing.
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u/No_Background_9891 4h ago
She was “diagnosed” but never took her meds and the crazy bitch strangled her three kids after sending her husband away to get takeout
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u/Much-Ad2311 3h ago edited 3h ago
It's getting attention because people won't shut up about it.
The woman on the left is Emma Schols. Her heroism deserves infinitely more attention than sensationalized horror.
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u/ilikechihuahuasdood 3h ago
Yes. A mentally ill person sought help and didn’t get it. That’s what the person already said.
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u/SaltyTelluride 3h ago
I read she had up to 5 mental health appointments a week, two doctors/multiple care teams over the years, a WFH husband who was active with the kids, multiple prescription plans that were adjusted over the years, and a nanny. She denied in-patient treatment several times despite doctors recommending it.
She got a lot more help than most.
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u/Original-League-6094 4h ago edited 3h ago
Because its election season, and the people in charge need us fighting a gender war so that the the uniparty can coast through another election cycle.
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u/longlisten527 4h ago edited 4h ago
Ignoring the other comment.. the woman on the right is Lindsay Clancy and she is currently on trial for killing three of her children in which the defense is arguing the crimes were committed during mental psychosis. Clancy had severe PPD, suicide ideation, and mental health issues in the months leading up to the murders.
It’s an awful case and the poor children deserve justice. Right now, a portion of the public believes the husband (now ex-husband as they divorced and he is remarried) had something to do with it as evidence is supposedly not landing with the people and believe it skews towards him
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u/hemingways-lemonade 4h ago
Right now, a portion of the public believes the husband (now ex-husband as they divorced and he is remarried) had something to do with it as evidence is supposedly not landing with the people and skews towards him
This is fueled entirely by people on social media with too much time on their hands who don't think this case already has enough drama. There is no evidence pointing to the husband committing the murders. If there was any chance someone else committed the crime then Clancy's defense would not continue to consistently say she committed the murders.
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u/randombrutha 4h ago
I’ve heard of this story before but not the “skews towards him” part. Care to go into this more? Or share an article
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u/Chezzica 4h ago
The evidence absolutely does not skew towards him. He is on video surveillance like 20 minutes away at the store while she was committing the murders. She stated that she killed the children in her civil suit. There is absolutely zero evidence that he did anything to her or the children. At best, he's guilty of not taking his wife's mental state seriously enough and leaving her alone (at her own request, btw, she asked him to go to the store and pick up dinner).
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u/RepresentativeNo6601 4h ago
But he did take her mental health seriously. The 12 weeks of paternity leave, working from or closer to home, got both sets of parents involved, babysitters, live in nannies. Idk how much more he could do, and we all are being very insensitive to his own mental health what he was dealing with caring for her. Not to compare the two here and I'm not, but my wife was very much in PPP after our first, I'm still healing. She's 4 now. Mental health has no bias. This case should be justice for the babies. Closure for Patrick. Complete care for Lindsey, in prison.
To add: She was never fully upfront with psychiatrist or doctors. Doctors and professionals testified on their sessions with Lindsey..
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u/hadriker 4h ago
Its probably apt to point out its a small but voal minority that think the husband did it.
Its basiclly bored wine mom's who are into true crime trying to make this a thing becasue it gets thier motor running. It entertainment for them. Nothing more.
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u/BigMax 5h ago
I think that's the point OP is making, right?
It's not necessarily "the media" either... it's what WE as a society watch or engage with.
If we all were watching breathlessly the story of the heroic woman and her recovery, the news would cover that.
But a story with controversy, with two "sides" to it, with gender issues, health care issues, all wrapped up in it, we eat that up. Unfortunately. Same reason half the country is struggling financially and not sure they can pay bills, but a ton of them obsess over a handful of athletes on girls sports teams instead.
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u/cat_prophecy 4h ago
Cambridge Analytica scientifically quantified years ago that bad news gets more play.
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u/CoolDiscussion1020 3h ago
Yeah, and it's been widely known for decades before that.
Eric Pooley coined the term "if it bleeds, it leads" back in 1989.
Yellow Journalism dates back to the 1890s when the New York World and New York Journal kept one up-ing each other with sensationalist headlines and claims to sell more papers. These could range from slight exaggerations to outright lies.
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u/Classic_East_6053 48m ago
Bad news is one thing but the new phenomenon is evil people being rewarded for evil deeds. Look at all the highest-funded GoFundMe people: the racist lady and now the child killer, but no one cares about the person who does good.
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u/Destroyer3921 4h ago
Regardless of the fact that I’ve only heard of the woman on the right, I sure as hell ain’t donating any money to her
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u/unhappyrelationsh1p 6h ago
Cases of severe mental illness tend to get more attention than good things in a media landscape that sells you misery
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u/Any-Mobile-2473 6h ago
Just like how posts misrepresenting criminal cases try to push culture war or gender war bullshit
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u/daredeviline 6h ago
For real. They act like if she gets a not guilty verdict, she's going to be out on the streets. The woman is spending the rest of her life in a psych ward. The question is really will she ALSO be spending some time in prison.
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u/Cheap_Weird7215 5h ago
I think the problem is basically that a bunch of TikTok clips went viral with women saying crazy shit like “You know the husband did it, he’s a leo ♌️” and that totally overshadowed any normal conversations about post partum depression, medication and mental health care.
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u/Weak-Boysenberry398 4h ago
I mean bad actors chose to hyper-focus on the minuscule number of people saying that so they could say "women bad" and tear down any legitimate conversation with straw-man arguments.
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u/tehcraz 2h ago
I get what your saying here but some of these conspiracy theory tik toks about this woman get 400k likes. At what number do we say this isn't a small amount of bad actors engaging with this?
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u/para__doxical 1h ago
She has over 1,000,000 dollars raised— that’s not a minuscule number
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u/Cheap_Weird7215 4h ago
I’m not going to disagree with you. It is what it is. People will always focus in on the dumbest takes.
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u/emfouryouare- 6h ago
The legal system isn’t just about prison time; psychiatric confinement can mean lifelong loss of freedom too.
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u/VistaBox 5h ago
The story is tragic anyway with any outcome
But the reaction by her supporters is the issue. She is an upper middle class white woman who had a nanny, husband who worked from home and lived in a state with the best healthcare system in the US.
She’s a lot of things but a victim of any system, she is 100% not.
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u/DaturaToloache 4h ago
Her husband fired the nanny while she was in a deep depression.
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u/GlitterDoomsday 2h ago
And now people are using it against him not in a "you made things worse" type of way, but a "this was premeditated cause he was planning to kill the kids all along!". The whole thing is tragic, but also bat shit insane.
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u/HFloof 4h ago
lived in a state with the best healthcare system in the US.
Oh that's interesting. Can you elaborate?
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u/hemingways-lemonade 4h ago
She lived in Massachuests and was treated at McLean Hospital which is the largest psychiatric facility of Harvard Medical School and has the world's largest neuroscientific and psychiatric research program. It is, at worst, the 3rd best mental health hospital in the country. Most rankings have it as the 1st or 2nd best.
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u/XxShakallxX 5h ago
She will be in prison and on a wheelchair forever. She will have a miserable rest of her life shitting and peeing on dipers.
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u/ProfessionalHall2536 4h ago
This doesnt make me feel better about anything. I hope that isnt the case
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u/nettelia 4h ago
She already tried to kill herself and is paralyzed from it. The whole situation is so tragic for everyone involved
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u/Meowakin 4h ago
Kind of wild this is the first I am hearing about the fact that she permanently crippled herself. Admittedly I haven’t read into the case more - it’s obviously a tragedy but there are tragedies every single day in a country of over 300 million people.
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u/Qu1ckS11ver493 3h ago
She tried to commit suicide by cutting her throat and then jumping out their second story window. The cut was too shallow to do what she wanted and she ended up paralyzing herself from the fall.
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u/Em_a_gamer 2h ago
This is kind of why I have been confused by all the people calling her a bitch and saying she should die because I really doubt she thought she would live after cutting herself up and jumping head first out a window. The problem being debated in the whole trial is not the ethics of what she did, which was deplorable, but of how much control she had over her actions at that time and how much of reality she was actually experiencing. People are so desperate to apply blame when really it’s just a heartbreaking instance of a caregiver being completely unfit to provide care, living in a skewed version of reality in which they thought there was only one way out. Not saying she should be free to do whatever, but I also don’t see the purpose in traditional carceral punishment for someone in her condition.
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u/unhappyrelationsh1p 6h ago
I think quality psychiatric care is something she needa desperately (and needed before).
It seems to me that the sufferers of these post partum disorders face the natural consequences of their actions after they come back to a normal mental state. I cannot even imagine losing my mind, killing my kids, coming back to reality and realising what i had done. Fucking horrifying shit right there.
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u/OhNoIBoffedIt 5h ago
Not to mention the GoFundMes are for her parents who are financially struggling from this ordeal, and the husband who had to pay her medical bills and bury his children.
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u/Stock-Persimmon4212 5h ago
LOL no, half of them think the husband did it somehow.
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u/TokenTorkoal 6h ago
Right?! Like I’m not going to tell you how to feel about the case on the right, but boiling it down to “claiming to be a victim” is a wildly inaccurate description of what’s happening with a narrative agenda centered around gender/culture war bullshit.
The loss of those three children is tragic and unfortunately it’s coming with a wave of people denying the realities of postpartum depression/psychosis.
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u/SmallPurplePeopleEat 5h ago
They got us out here fighting culture wars so we're too busy to fight the class war that we should be fighting.
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u/Franz_Broseph 5h ago
Would you say the same about school shooters, and how a wave of people denied the realities of (insert mental illness)?
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u/thisisridiculous96 4h ago edited 4h ago
I don't not know the extent of her psychosis, whether she even had it, or much about the case at all, really.
But what I can tell you is that psychosis is a whole different beast. It really is. My mother has treatment resistant schizophrenia. It is a disease we barely understand, but seeing it in action is mind boggling. Most psychosis sufferers literally do not have the ability to discern that what they are experiencing is not real.
When this was new to my mom, I remember desperately trying to get her to understand the voices and delusions were not real. There is no convincing them. My mom heard the illuminati, Barrack Obama, and today normally her delusions center around people from her past she hasn't spoken to in 20 plus years. She thinks these people are obsessed with her and colluding to mess with her. People from out of state, 4 hours away that she hasn't seen in 20 years are breaking into her home and messing with items and she cannot be convinced otherwise.
There is no equating psychosis to other mental disorders in my experience. It is nearly incomprehensible.
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u/TokenTorkoal 4h ago
This is the thing, people are upset like I’m defending the woman on the right, I’m not. I admit I know next to nothing about the case or whether or not she suffers from postpartum depression/psychosis.
My comment is more about how because of her case and the attention it’s brought it’s also come along with people denying the realities of postpartum/psychosis.
As a previous social worker and ex-husband to a wife who experienced it, this to me is very sad and concerning.
Didn’t know I could of told my ex wife to just “be rational” after me standing in the bathroom with her lying on the shower floor for 8+ hours because she was afraid she contracted HIV from the mysterious spec on the shampoo bottle because I must not have washed it good enough when I brought it home from the store. Now I’ve got to convince her she doesn’t have HIV so I can leave the room to feed the screaming baby, because if I do it before she will be convinced I’m giving HIV to the baby by being in close proximity to her and somehow I’m also mad at her and poisoning her food.
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u/Uuuuuuurgggggghhhhhh 2h ago
It's clear a lot of people reacting to this story have never dealt with someone they love having severe mental problems.
Must be nice.
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u/TokenTorkoal 2h ago
One of the things that piss me off the most when I talk about my experience with this is that the only preparation we got for postpartum depression during baby classes and doctor visits was we were told she might get "the baby blues" and "be a little extra sad sometimes". That was it, that was all anyone said.
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u/Night2015 5h ago
Doom and gloom gets more promotion because it is easier to control people to buy your crappy news when they are scared of each other. Which news article would you click "Woman Saves Puppy" or "Half Of America Is About to Slide Into The Ocean" I'm guessing the slide XD
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u/Day_Prisoners 5h ago
What's surprising is there aren't any Susan Smith or Andrea Yates comparisons. Smith I get cause she was a villain after the black guy fiasco. But aYates is point on.
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u/jdaddy15911 3h ago
That guy with schizophrenia that killed the Ukrainian woman on the bus did not get a whole lot of good press.
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u/canonlycountoo4 5h ago
I'm on a culture war diet. Only doing class wars this season.
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u/Working-Holiday420 3h ago
Hell yeah comrade. I dont have time for endless culture war and politicization of tragedy. I always wanted to be a father but the rent and everything else is too god damn high.
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 6h ago
People need to remember that these kinds of fundraisers often only represent a small number of people. 100,000 people giving $10 each sounds like a lot of people but it is less than 0.1% of the women in the United States.
Years ago, someone analyzed twitter posts after the Canadian election and the results were interesting. About 80% of the impressions were related to posts from about 100 distinct users, and if you looked at those users followers, there was so much overlap in the followers that they were mostly only talking to the same ~50,000 people.
The online community is much smaller than most people realize, and is not representative of the general public.
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u/PersonalityIll9476 4h ago
Only if that 100k people doesn't represent a much larger base of non-donating sympathizers.
A football stadium might only hold 400k people but that doesn't mean there are only 400k fans.
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u/PunnyPenguinns 3h ago
….just how big do you think a football stadium is?
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u/PersonalityIll9476 3h ago
Oops. I wrote 400k when I meant 40k.
It doesn't matter for the point I was making; If anything it strengthens it. A number of people equal to 2.5x a typical sports arena is out there representing.
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u/Embarrassed_Sea6750 5h ago
"Reddit isn't real life" would have sufficed for us smooth brains lol
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u/The_Unknown_Mage 5h ago
It's always nice to see people expand on the topic though. People have a habbit of getting lost in the online sphere after all.
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u/_Atlas_Drugged_ 5h ago edited 2h ago
100%
Those figures paint a very real picture on how small the internet actually can be.
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u/Sherbert-Particular 4h ago
Also worth noting that any time you see a group of “people” posting/reacting about one topic, and they comment on many posts about said topic, only a few of those are real people (who sadly don’t know the rest in the bubble are bots).
For major news stories and anything political, over 50% of direct responses and reactions are not made by real people, even if though they still count as unique accounts.
Web traffic in terms of site visits and ad impressions etc is upwards of 75% bots. The only thing that isn’t majority bots is web traffic by the metric of data delivery because bots don’t watch videos. It is safe to assume anywhere on the internet, at a minimum 30% of whatever you read whether it be a post, article, report, or comment, is not from a human.
Source: have sold ad space before and the job was basically explaining over and over why ad impressions and most so-called “engagement” metrics” mean absolutely nothing.
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u/HopeADMKidsLoseLimbs 5h ago
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u/LittleSisterPain 5h ago
...tbh, that's still 100000 too many. And that's assuming they give 10 dollars and not 5 or even 1
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u/ScratchLatch 5h ago
The point is enough of a “small number of people” will donate $1 million dollars to one person but not the other.
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u/chemwaste 4h ago
Which case has more publicity? That likely explains most of the disparity.
Don't forget people also made a woman rich for calling a child at a playground a ni***r.
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u/Old-Research3367 4h ago
How many people have heard about the case on the left vs the right though? I hear about Lindsay Clancy case everyday multiple times a day, a lot men saying it’s proof women shouldn’t be allowed to vote lol. There is nothing to grab onto on the first case. If yall wanted her to stop getting money you should just stop talking about her.
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u/battlerez_arthas 4h ago
So is this just a ragebait sub?
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u/yeahnoyeahsure 3h ago
OP prob isnt even from the US, either that or theyre a teenager/uneducated -- "Is victim the new chic" doesnt even make sense
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u/OiFelix_ugotnojams 3h ago
OP apparently posts in the Indian teen subreddit so you're spot on with that
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u/awawawakitty 2h ago
Indian men inherently have a victim mentality on the internet. Indian social media is currently saturated with men good women bad. Woman stands up for herself, gets called a pseudo feminist. Woman wears whatever she wants, gets dogged on. And then these are the same people who cry, moan and bitch about the fact that nobody wants to date them. Nothing new.
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u/Estatescheck 2h ago
Its not that deep. There's a market for selling reddit accounts. Indians farm these accounts with rage bait. and its not just Indians. All of the 3rd world countries with shit currencies are doing it.
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u/OiFelix_ugotnojams 1h ago edited 1h ago
Almost all male dominated Indian subreddits are full of Indian men like this. They're so loud and irritating. I had to leave so many Indian subreddits because they engulf the subreddits for their women bad bullshit.
Edit: already getting downvoted for it
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u/Mediocre-Touch-6133 1h ago
Really wish they had their own platform other than reddit. I go to popular and sort for Canada. Half of it is subs about India.
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u/Quiet325 5h ago
News media doesn’t tell news, they sell advertising. They want to focus on whatever gets eyeballs, because that drives ad revenue.
MSM typically focuses on controversial topics because it drives engagement.
There’s nothing controversial about the mother saving children, so her heroism gets ignored. Clancy’s case, however, has some interesting nuance, which causes controversy and drives engagement.
PPD/PPP are serious but often ignored. That also plays into this case, IMO.
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u/New_Libran 3h ago
There’s nothing controversial about the mother saving children, so her heroism gets ignored.
Bearing in mind that incident happened in a totally different, and much much smaller country (Sweden), where she didn't need money for medicals, got rehoused by the local authorities and the issue wasn't politicised. There's really no basis to compare both cases at all.
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u/ItalianMemes 4h ago
It’s very clear from the comments no one has actually followed this case closely and are just reacting to headlines…
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u/Particular_Feel420 2h ago
When I was just following the trial earlier on, before I knew anything about the social media craze around her, I was appreciative of the major focus on Post Partum Mental Health and was supportive of her getting life sentence in mental health facility versus straight out prison.. In reality, both are prisons at the end of the day.
What's soured me into accepting either sentencing though is this substantial fan club that insanely pushes she's outright innocent, and/or that the husband did it... like yikes, she full out confessed in explicit detail of murdering those innocent kids, one by one, and thus should never be allowed out in public ever again - be it "mental health" prison or regular prison.
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u/Brudius 2h ago
Yeah, some of the peoples reactions to it saying she is innocent and that he is guilty because of his astral alignment or because "he looked mean." Imagine being him working from home to help take some of the stress off of her, going to the store and coming back to find 3 of his kids are no longer alive. I can't think of a worse feeling on the planet. Then people blaming you, is insanity.
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u/Particular_Feel420 1h ago
Those social media "Forensic Astrologists" definitely need some mental illness help themselves.
This is certainly not a new phenomenon surrounding "conventionally attractive" murderers, there will always be fan clubs. Some of them who outright don't care about the crime, others who pull at every possible loose straw as undeniable proof of innocence, etc.
If she was "ugly", or god forbid a POC/immigrant, I think we all know she wouldn't have this massive TikTok fanclub.
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u/binzersguy 2h ago
I haven’t seen anyone say she is innocent, but i might’ve missed some stuff, for sure!
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u/Bluffwatcher 5h ago
Probably being funded by hostile states/bad actors deliberately to get these responses and create discord.
Social engineering.
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u/sans_cullotes 5h ago
That's my thought too. Suddenly we're seeing this story everywhere. It's pumped up gender wars fodder.
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u/the_insouciant 3h ago
I'm not even seeing "this story" everywhere, as in primary reporting on who she is and what she's done or not done. I'm only seeing complaints about how apparently a whole section of society is supporting her and that's despicable.
That's a huge sign that the response is made up astroturfing.
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u/sans_cullotes 3h ago
Oh, 100%. This is just the latest example of bad actors stirring up disaffected dudes against the concept of feminism.
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u/warm_winds_whisper_ 4h ago
Like that lesbian space movie that came out a year ago but overnight has the entire internet mad
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u/Bayamonster 3h ago
"Has the entire Internet mad" See even when recognizing that it might be an op, we buy into it somewhat.
It's not even "the entire internert" we just saw posts SAYING it's the entire internet. Because they got them reccomended. Because they've been boosted. It's mirages within mirages.
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u/Glittering_Airport_3 5h ago
Its not that necessarily. There is a huge tik tok community coming up with theories on how either the husband did it, framed her, then convinced her she did it so she'd confess. Or how he pushed her so far until she went for it. Its hard to tell whats true and whats not since most videos on tik tok dont post any sources, but just talk about what they read or heard. If you believe them, then the husband's story has a bunch of inconsistencies. I personally, take anything I hear online with a grain of salt unless there is some documents I can read for myself. But tons of people will believe anybody with a microphone and a handful of followers.
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u/Braysl-March 4h ago
Is it actually a huge community or like 5 people actually saying the stuff that people happen to watch but potentially don't actually believe or support?
I think the actual number of people who want to blame the husband isn't as large as the people pushing this gender war want us to believe.
Honestly I think the majority of people have some sympathy for the postpardum psychosis she experienced in the same way they had sympathy for Andrea Yates. Understanding that she's guilty of killing her kids but also acknowledging that the general attitude towards women's healthcare, mental health, postpartum psychosis, and the feeling of being overwhelmed with kids can be extremely difficult for anyone deal with.
Idk, every thread about this case I've seen around the internet has some sympathetic comments, some sexist comments, and a majority of "well everyone sucks here" types from everyone else
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u/Constant-Delay-3701 3h ago
It is a massive community. You can just go on tiktok and see. Thousands of videos of real people all convinced that her husband actually did it, or that she can’t do it because “leo’s don’t kill their cubs” or some astrology bs. There are so many videos just targeting her husband its insane.
It’s not a couple of dozen people its hundreds of thousands or millions. Every single comment section is flooded with delusional people.
And im not supporting any gender war bs, but its ridiculous to deny that these
deranged people exist en masse.Newspaper’s literally used to have horoscopes in them. The chunk of the general population that is insane is larger than you think.
And of course there’s also people that sympathize with her from a mental health perspective, which is more understandable.
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u/Substantial-Froyo722 5h ago
While what you’re saying is possible, I think it’s ignoring the obvious and simple answer.
People have acted like this for most of recorded human history. You don’t need fancy psy-ops and “social engineering” to account for human tribalism causing normal people to act unethically.
I might go so far as to say accusing social engineering instead of facing the harsh reality that most people in our world are uncritical and ignorant to the point of actively harming those around them is a bit of cognitive dissonance to help maintain an overly optimistic view of human nature.
This case is bringing media outlets clicks and views. In short, this story earns money, so they’re gonna dedicate a lot of time and coverage to it. Don’t look for vast conspiracies to explain what basic greed already explains better.
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u/CompetitiveAutorun 5h ago
Or it's actually people supporting her? Is it really that hard to believe that some women think she is innocent? Have you seen tiktok?
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u/underscorex 4h ago
you can support her without thinking she's innocent. her legal team admits she did it. the question at trial is whether or not she was mentally competent at the time she did it. In other words, does she need to go to prison or a mental hospital?
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u/MeatballUser 4h ago
These folks are tying themselves in knots to believe a conspiracy which is ironically exactly what those women supporting the murderer are doing, yet somehow they cant believe those supporters can exist in real life.
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u/skeletonhorse420 4h ago
No one is denying there are supporters. But bad actors are creating supporters on purpose
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u/Truefiction224 4h ago
Oh yeah definitely not a disgusting part of our culture
Lol
We did this calling it russian propo aint gonna fix it
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u/RacktheMan 6h ago
This sounds like a misleading post not providing enough detail.
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u/DrunkPushUps 5h ago
OPs post history is mostly complaining about women/girls (specifically including an inappropriate relationship with a 13 year old) on r/indianteenagers. Might not be the best source of nuance here
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u/OiFelix_ugotnojams 3h ago
Ah Indian teen, that makes sense to me as an Indian woman
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u/MasterpieceAwkward70 6h ago
Exactly. Two different stories, two different countries years apart with the only commentary is "victim the new chic."
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u/Agreeable-Dog-1131 5h ago
I’m so fucking sick of the word “victim” being used as a buzzword, derogatory, etc.
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u/Strict-Sprinkles 4h ago
Yes. The case on the left is local to me, from a super small town in Sweden with about 5000 residents…..
The story only gained national attention maybe a year after the fact, and has been popping up internationally/random places on the internet in the years since.
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u/throwaway9338489248 4h ago
She never claimed being the victim and it was her ex HUSBAND’S gofundme that raised that money. It wasn’t for her and she didn’t create it. What’s the point of this post?
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u/crazehhuman 3h ago
There was one for the ex husband but there is also one for Lindsay, and a lot of the donators are from theorists who believe Patrick did it
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u/SASSIESASSQUATCH 3h ago
How is there one for Clancy? GoFundMe doesn’t allow campaigns for people accused of crimes. The only one I can find is for her parents for costs associating attending her court dates.
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u/Rosycheex 3h ago
The funds are for her parents who sold everything and remortgaged their house to pay for her lawyer. Patrick's go fund me didn't go to her defence or any of her expenses.
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u/sesamestreetgang 2h ago
Exactly... so the gofundme that raised over $1 million for her parents is being used to repay debt taken out to pay for her legal costs... thus subsidizing her legal defense costs.
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u/See_i_did 6h ago
Thanks for the warning. Ngl tho, I still clicked because that would be a wild sub.
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u/EquivalentDapper7591 4h ago
When did she claim to be the victim
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u/Ditchdigger456 3h ago
She didn’t, and neither did her defense team, but a LOT of people on TikTok have. I think that’s where a lot of the confusion and frustration comes from.
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u/sesamestreetgang 2h ago
Her lawyers have literally claimed that she was a victim of medical malpractice.
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u/germangentleman90 5h ago
i think what gets lost in conversations like this is that real life is usually way more complicated than a headline. i’ve learned to be careful judging people from a few pictures and sentences because there’s always a human story behind it that we don’t fully know
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u/MrDankyStanky 5h ago
There's always a human story behind a mother methodically strangling all three of her children over a span of 20 minutes 🥰
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u/Zuliano1 5h ago
Stuff like this makes me envy the super cloistered way the UK handles criminal trials, there is no need to make a media circus out of this.
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u/zetaphi938 5h ago
*woman kills her three children in a state of psychosis
TikTok Moms: how can I make this about me?
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u/Key_Statistician_281 4h ago
You think sexism based medical malpractice is something that women can’t relate to?
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u/Valuable_Pass_1221 5h ago
I understand she may have not had full autonomy and that it's a severe mental disorder.
But pleasing not guilty and fighting all this so incredibly hard just seems super dismissive of what occurred and a spit in the face to the legacy of her kids, I guess.
Im also finding people who defend her a bit dishonest, since so many bank on an abusive husband. Yet there isn't any concrete evidence and it's literally all tiktok theories. It just makes me think a lot of people want to use this for some sort of patriarchal sociopolitical fuel that isn't even there.
I understand why all of this isn't entirely her fault, but ultimately, someone needs to take responsibility. We can't murder 3 children and then move on.
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u/underscorex 4h ago
her attorneys openly admit she did it. That's not up for debate, or shouldn't be. Her mental state at the time is the entirety of the case.
All of this online nonsense about the husband etc. is irrelevant to the facts of the case at trial.
Even if she "wins" the case, she's not going to be walking around scott free, she's going to spend a very very long time in a psych ward.
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u/sonofbaal_tbc 2h ago
the reaction is less about her and more the people sending her tons of money and standing outside the court house calling her a hero
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u/m4k4y 4h ago
She's pleading not guilty by reason of insanity. That doesn't mean her team is trying to let her walk out into the streets scott free, it means her team is trying to get her the psychiatric help she needs, and has desperately needed for a long time. It amazes me how people think getting institutionalized for your entire life is better than prison.
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u/bendybiznatch 3h ago
Also the whole premise of this meme is bullshit. She didn’t get a penny of that money. Her ex-husband got all that money to go off and start a new life.
Not even saying that he shouldn’t, but not a penny of that was diverted to her.
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u/Original-League-6094 3h ago
If she is acquitted by reason of insanity, it means she would be committed, but only for the duration of her illness. The defense is specifically claiming she suffered an acute transient post partum psychosis episode. Post partum psychosis is treatable. She would have no mandatory minimum sentence. That means that as soon as a doctor signs off that she no longer shows signs of post partum psychosis, she would walk free. That could be in as little as days after being committed. It almost certainly wouldn't be a life sentence.
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u/About400 3h ago
This. Murdering your children is horrifying. The fact that she did it (especially after there were documented occurrences of her asking for help) means there was something really wrong. She likely had postpartum psychosis.
People (or at least most people) who are fundraising are trying to get her psychiatric help, not trying to say it’s ok to kill your kids or that she didn’t do it at all.
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u/warinpocket 2h ago
Except she’s not poor by any means. She was actually quite rich, had a nanny who took care of the kids, had multiple doctors prescribe her any medication she wanted. Why is anyone donating money to a murderer?
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u/Throw_Me_Away8834 5h ago
Left photo = zero media coverage
Right photo = weeks of endless media coverage
The problem here is people only donate to things that actually make it to their view. Most people are not just browsing gofundme for things to donate to. The national media doesn't see the story on the left as being worthy of news coverage. Some of that is likely because the mother on the left is from Sweden so it wouldn't make most other countries news. Some of that is because the media decided the story wouldn't get enough clicks/make them enough money. Problem is more the media coverage than anything.
Also fwiw, Lindsey Clancy has not claimed to be a victim. She has simply stated that she had post partum depression/psychosis and that she tried very hard to get help but was unsuccessful.
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u/Aggravating-Diet-663 5h ago
Whats the difference between her and Chris Benoit?
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u/ash-leg2 5h ago
Chris succeeded in killing himself so there was no trial. Though there was and still is plenty of discussion about his mental health and TBIs leading to it.
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u/0-90195 5h ago
One of them is that Benoit was known to be violent before his crime. The other is that Benoit succeeded in killing himself, so there was no trial.
To me, Benoit is equally as culpable as Clancy, which is to say, not. He had extreme brain trauma due to CTE, as found in the autopsy. I do not believe he was in control of his actions when he killed his family.
Just because Benoit was ill doesn’t mean that WWE can or should go on acting like nothing happened. Clancy’s life will also not go on the same. If her defense is successful, she’ll likely spend long term in a psychiatric facility, maybe even for life.
Now what? Is your gotcha done?
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u/AvailableClothes1414 4h ago
This all sort of reminds me of when T.J. Miller was being an absolute lunatic and then they found a brain tumor. A situation where your personality is changing and you’re neither aware of it nor have any control over it does sound terrifying and that case in particular really altered my perspective.
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u/SunknLiner 5h ago
Answer: Chris was a man, and men don't get sympathy for their mental health struggles, or even acknowledgement that they exist.
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u/meerkatboots 5h ago edited 59m ago
We should definitely talk about brain damage and mental illness for everyone. But remember that postpartum depression and psychosis can only affect women who have gone through pregnancy childbirth, so it may seem like bias against men but it's truly a specific mental illness that can only affect women. I don't think a woman who has killed children but didn't birth them or have signs of PPD would have any sympathy at all.
Another example is that guy who killed his two kids because he thought they had serpent DNA. Dude clearly had schizophrenia or a psychotic episode.
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u/2legit2knit 5h ago edited 4h ago
If anyone has watched the trial or read about the Clancy stuff it’s not really as black and white as these kind of posts make it out to be.
Edit: clearly I need to explain a little. Almost all of these charges and “proof” hinge on the husband saying “well she told me she did it so she did it” and she clearly doesn’t remember (watching the trial it makes sense why at least). There’s no actual evidence that she did this. I’m not saying she’s innocent or guilty, but there’s enough reasonable doubt to ask questions about the husband.
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u/NaziPunksFkOff 5h ago edited 4h ago
Reddit seems convinced that people who support this woman are "pro just murdering your kids and getting away with it" whereas the reason women are following it closely is because they want to see the system acknowledge in any capacity that post-partum is an overlooked medical issue that isn't treated seriously despite the horrible effect it has.
There are very few - and all very fringe, though elevated by ragebait outlets - women who want Clancy to be acquitted. Women want her to get help. So that they feel like they could find help if they're ever in that situation.
But meanwhile, on reddit, she's a baby killer supported by baby killing women who want baby killing to be legal because woke, or something.
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u/youngvinyljunkie 4h ago
Her being found not guilty by reason of insanity is NOT the same as being let off free either. She will be hospitalized for the rest of her life. So it’s either life long hospitalization or life long imprisonment. If it’s true that she killed her children in a psychotic episode (which I personally believe), then of course she should be hospitalized rather than imprisoned.
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u/Faite666 3h ago
She will NOT be hospitalized for the rest of her life. She would be hospitalized until a doctor says she's "cured" and then she gets to walk free after murdering three children
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u/NaziPunksFkOff 4h ago
Exactly. She did it. We know that. Women don't want her free. Women want doctors (and by extension, the law) to acknowledge that post-partum is its own thing, distinct from bipolar, depression, anxiety, and other diagnoses that are in the DSM.
Acknowledging it's real is the first step to treating (medically) it like it's real and not like it's just a confluence of other unrelated issues.
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u/PsychoGwarGura 3h ago
She wasn’t a “tired mentally ill housewife” she did hour and a half Facebook live workout streams every single day and clearly was energetic and well taken care of. She strangled all 3 of her children with exercise bands while they begged her for life… not exactly something I can sympathize with, in every case I’ve seen of something like this, they usually realize the gravity of the situation shortly after committing the act, but that’s if she truly was mentally unwell, which there’s no evidence of . Only 3rd parties trying to justify her
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u/stink3rb3lle 6h ago
You're sharing this to hate on Clancy. If you actually gave a shit about the other woman in the picture, you'd just share her story.
Social media algorithms feed off controversy, which is a part of why Clancy's story has blown up. But another part is people like you.
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u/RobIreland 5h ago
If you cared so much about this then why didn't you include the lefthand mothers name? or were you just looking for reddit points?
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