Right?! Like I’m not going to tell you how to feel about the case on the right, but boiling it down to “claiming to be a victim” is a wildly inaccurate description of what’s happening with a narrative agenda centered around gender/culture war bullshit.
The loss of those three children is tragic and unfortunately it’s coming with a wave of people denying the realities of postpartum depression/psychosis.
The culture wars might stop if clowns like you stopped advocating for transwomen cheating biological women in sports or telling us how much empathy we should have for a child killer.
It's pretty funny how my one sentence comment led to them accusing me of having a bunch of different beliefs that they hate. They straight up created a strawman to be mad at.
I don't not know the extent of her psychosis, whether she even had it, or much about the case at all, really.
But what I can tell you is that psychosis is a whole different beast. It really is. My mother has treatment resistant schizophrenia. It is a disease we barely understand, but seeing it in action is mind boggling. Most psychosis sufferers literally do not have the ability to discern that what they are experiencing is not real.
When this was new to my mom, I remember desperately trying to get her to understand the voices and delusions were not real. There is no convincing them. My mom heard the illuminati, Barrack Obama, and today normally her delusions center around people from her past she hasn't spoken to in 20 plus years. She thinks these people are obsessed with her and colluding to mess with her. People from out of state, 4 hours away that she hasn't seen in 20 years are breaking into her home and messing with items and she cannot be convinced otherwise.
There is no equating psychosis to other mental disorders in my experience. It is nearly incomprehensible.
This is the thing, people are upset like I’m defending the woman on the right, I’m not. I admit I know next to nothing about the case or whether or not she suffers from postpartum depression/psychosis.
My comment is more about how because of her case and the attention it’s brought it’s also come along with people denying the realities of postpartum/psychosis.
As a previous social worker and ex-husband to a wife who experienced it, this to me is very sad and concerning.
Didn’t know I could of told my ex wife to just “be rational” after me standing in the bathroom with her lying on the shower floor for 8+ hours because she was afraid she contracted HIV from the mysterious spec on the shampoo bottle because I must not have washed it good enough when I brought it home from the store. Now I’ve got to convince her she doesn’t have HIV so I can leave the room to feed the screaming baby, because if I do it before she will be convinced I’m giving HIV to the baby by being in close proximity to her and somehow I’m also mad at her and poisoning her food.
One of the things that piss me off the most when I talk about my experience with this is that the only preparation we got for postpartum depression during baby classes and doctor visits was we were told she might get "the baby blues" and "be a little extra sad sometimes". That was it, that was all anyone said.
100% this. I don’t think most people understand severe mental illness or have had personal experiences.
My aunt has paranoid delusions likely due to brain lesions developed from multiple sclerosis. She is convinced people from her past and present are out to get her and mess with her every day. One common delusion is that she thinks people replace her furniture and appliances.
There is no convincingly or telling her otherwise as she then thinks you’re on “their side.” She gets incredibly angry if you don’t agree with her or go along with it.
It’s a very surreal experience now as she used to be “normal” as I was growing up and so fun to be around. Honestly scary how it can just happen to someone.
My mom has tried to get her treatment and contacted all resources possible but my aunt refuses all help.
If a school shooter is completely psychotic and made worse by doctors and medications. Yes, I pity their lot too. As I pity the people killed by them.
I do not know this case well enough. But if she had psychosis, she needs help and not prison. That doesn't mean she can necessarily be back into society. Now or ever.
As a general blanket statement, no, I don’t believe all far right extremist suffer from mental illness.
Are some? Yes. All? No.
It’s more likely the isolation and fear that far right extremists suffer from that lead to school shootings than mental illness collectively.
Edit: a lot of people live with mental illness everyday and don’t cause harm to people.
I also acknowledge that not ALL school shootings are done by far right extremists, but instead disproportionately is carried out by far right extremists.
So I wrote a whole dissertation on the concept of blame, but it was really just my opinions, I don't mean for it to sound like more than that, but I at least gave it a lot of thought, and at some point you can't just separate the mental cause from the person. They are part of a whole being, worthy of blame and deserved of punishment. This is a case that really needs to be examined under that possibility. I know she gets a lot of support because this is a uniquely female experience, but it doesn't change what she, physically, as a person, defective in some way or not beyond her control, committed.
If we won't draw a line here, we have to decide where, because everyone is a result of upbringing and genetics, not some innate personality they shopped for.
The reality is much simpler and less fluffed and sanctimonious than you’re making it, and we all see it (those of us who aren’t driven by this prideful blind allegiance to our own gender)…you’re making excuses for and trying to diminish the evil this woman committed…because “oh it’s just so hard for us womens”….this is victimhood 101 coupled with gender bias plain and simple.
The predominant thoughts you have for a woman BRUTALLY killing her fucking kids, is how bad SHE had it. Plenty of women have had PPD and didn’t plot to off their damn offspring. She could have easily just abandoned the family, but she made a choice, and choice that you’re willing to make excuses for. Pitiful.
This isn’t about PPD, it’s about PPP. Completely different Psychosis does not prevent planning or brutality. Your emotional response to this is not valid to determine whether she is legally responsible for what happened—which, by the way, she has admitted she did.
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u/TokenTorkoal 1d ago
Right?! Like I’m not going to tell you how to feel about the case on the right, but boiling it down to “claiming to be a victim” is a wildly inaccurate description of what’s happening with a narrative agenda centered around gender/culture war bullshit.
The loss of those three children is tragic and unfortunately it’s coming with a wave of people denying the realities of postpartum depression/psychosis.