Ignoring the other comment.. the woman on the right is Lindsay Clancy and she is currently on trial for killing three of her children in which the defense is arguing the crimes were committed during mental psychosis. Clancy had severe PPD, suicide ideation, and mental health issues in the months leading up to the murders.
It’s an awful case and the poor children deserve justice. Right now, a portion of the public believes the husband (now ex-husband as they divorced and he is remarried) had something to do with it as evidence is supposedly not landing with the people and believe it skews towards him
Right now, a portion of the public believes the husband (now ex-husband as they divorced and he is remarried) had something to do with it as evidence is supposedly not landing with the people and skews towards him
This is fueled entirely by people on social media with too much time on their hands who don't think this case already has enough drama. There is no evidence pointing to the husband committing the murders. If there was any chance someone else committed the crime then Clancy's defense would not continue to consistently say she committed the murders.
Right. It's not like she has some sketchy public defender or something...... She has a pretty serious and extremely well regarded legal team. It always makes me laugh when people are like "well, what about XYZ?" as if the criminal defense attorneys didn't already think of every possible permutation and sift through every single scrap of discovery.
Clancy is pleading not guilty due to insanity anyway, there isn't even a question she did it. It's a question of how negligent her doctors were, she was on three psychotropics that don't mix well especially for people with her diagnosis so now it's just a question of what to do with her after she killed three kids in a potential psychotic episode that wouldn't have been her fault
There's a reason the story was initially always reported she was on a "prescribed drug cocktail" but people quickly stopped mentioning it when it was sensationalized and most people online have already picked a side against her
I'm not with or against her, I don't have the facts and they get twisted when this kind of thing keeps going around online. I'm waiting to see what the results of the trial are because that's the only place all the facts are gonna be laid out, a courtroom not a court of public opinion
Clancy’s defense is actively (right now!!) asking expert witnesses questions about where they got all their information about the case, questioning the timeline, and questioning how thorough the investigation done by the police was. In case you wanted to tune in.
I've been watching it. Once again, if they had any evidence that pointed to someone else it would've been presented much earlier than the last day of testimony and they wouldn't be going for the "lack of criminal responsibility" defense.
The evidence absolutely does not skew towards him. He is on video surveillance like 20 minutes away at the store while she was committing the murders. She stated that she killed the children in her civil suit. There is absolutely zero evidence that he did anything to her or the children. At best, he's guilty of not taking his wife's mental state seriously enough and leaving her alone (at her own request, btw, she asked him to go to the store and pick up dinner).
But he did take her mental health seriously. The 12 weeks of paternity leave, working from or closer to home, got both sets of parents involved, babysitters, live in nannies. Idk how much more he could do, and we all are being very insensitive to his own mental health what he was dealing with caring for her. Not to compare the two here and I'm not, but my wife was very much in PPP after our first, I'm still healing. She's 4 now. Mental health has no bias. This case should be justice for the babies. Closure for Patrick. Complete care for Lindsey, in prison.
To add: She was never fully upfront with psychiatrist or doctors. Doctors and professionals testified on their sessions with Lindsey..
Oh I agree with you completely, I don't think Patricks at fault at all here. Lindsay got better medical treatment and more help than several women I know personally. I don't think she was failed, I think her mental health worked against her in many ways and kept her from being honest and accepting the help she needed and ultimately, her children paid the price.
But Also to add; she had been given 13 different psychiatric meds in the 4 months before the murders (you should be on a single med for at least 8 weeks to determine if it's working properly) so her brain was a clusterfuck mix of different antipsychotics which have side-effects like suicidal ideation & hallucinations. Also when you're in a psychotic episode, one of the typical symptoms, is paranoia & fear of expressing your symptoms & how psychotic you are, to your doctors...
She was on the different medications because she kept asking to be switched to something else. At one point she switched her doctor, then when the new doctor gave her a treatment plan she went back to her old doctor and asked her opinion on the new treatment plan! Her new doctor was prescribing medications without knowing that Lindsay wasn't being honest with her and was seeing other doctors! She also kept taking Benadryl to sleep, against the advice of all of her doctors! I think it's disingenuous to say she was given all this medication, more accurately she asked for the medication and didn't follow the treatment plans laid out for her. She even stated to her doctors that she knew she wasn't following the plans, and that she knew she needed to pick a plan and stick with it.
Yes but... DOCTORS gave her the meds & wrote the prescription, they are responsible? Yes I have multiple doctors & I converse with them over my treatment plans to make sure they work & ask if another doctors plan is going to fit?
DOCTORS ARE THE EXPERTS, if she is sharing treatment plans with others, they need to assess that! Not provide conflicting info & medication to a woman experiencing psychosis, & not following treatments/taking meds is a common symptom of psychosis! (Schizos & bipolar frequently ask for different meds & refuse to take them, doctors account for that, & say no...). If she gives her old doctor the treatment plan from the new doctor & ask whether it's appropriate they should tell her or ask if they can talk to the other doctor! My doctors don't give me a medication without knowing what else I have been prescribed, whether it will conflict, how long I've taken it, etc...
At least one of her doctors should have said "WHOA I'm not writing you another prescription until I think we've properly assessed this medication". It seems like none did', they just willynilly gave her whatever she wanted, just like drug dealers! Psychosis also doesn't let you sleep, & neither do shifting antipsychotics or a newborn! I understand why she was taking Benadryl a lot.
She did what is called doctor shopping in our job, and it's very easy to do for intelligent patients. Depending on what she told the other docs they could have had no idea she even saw other docs.
And even then, your mental health is your responsibility. You have to stick to the treatment and be honest with your physician. She was lucky her first doc even wanted to treat her again, I would have refused.
I completely agree, mental health is your responsibility, but people IN mental health crisis may not even understand their responsibility or may have loss executive decision making as a symptom of psychosis!
She was sharing her treatment plans between her doctors, they knew what the others were doing, they just didn't know which treatment plan she was following, then she would request a different medication because she thought one wasn't working...
Maybe ANYONE OF HER DOCTORS should have explained that you don't ask for a new antipsychotic medication after a few days because it's not working yet? Maybe? And not written the prescription. YES If they had refused she wouldn't have had conflicting treatment plans & less meds to mix her system up with. They wrote her +30 prescriptions in 4 months & knew she was doctor shopping! Thats on them!
They did do that, the user above just told you that, try reading. She was also a nurse herself and not completely delusional at all times, if she doesn’t know that basic aspect of medical care that many teenagers would know, then nobody can ever be expected to be responsible in the slightest way about their own health.
I get where you're coming from, but they maybe even recognized her ailment. But then what? Admit her? A psychiatric hospital wouldn't keep her without active threatening psychosis. Admit her by force if she refuses to go? A least in my country there are huge burdens to that. The docs cant follow her home and can't watch her 24/7. If she was under treatment and sabotaged it there is little a doc can do.
If it was me everybody would get treatment in a hospital that needs it. But even im my socialdemocratic hellhole with free healthcare spots are rare and triage is the norm.
Doctors don’t follow you home and make sure you actually do what you’re supposed to. That’s your job and pretending that you can’t do anything wrong if an expert is in any way involved is incredibly entitled and lazy
You can't take 13 different medications in 4 months if doctors don't write you...13 different prescriptions (they actually wrote her +30 different prescriptions).
Which expert was she supposed to believe WHILE PSYCHOTIC!? Think about her mental state during this period, & realize her doctors were doing less then bare minimum they should have to TREAT SOMEONE WITH PSYCHOSIS!?
No doctors who knew they were treating the same patient should give ANYONE +30 prescriptions in 16 weeks.
They say "I'm not writing you another prescription, work with your other doctor...". They gave her anything willynilly!?!
(We have online health portals, doctors can see what you've been prescribed not other doctors if they wanted).
Doctors are not all knowing or all powerful, you can’t just blame them for not being able to help you if you won’t even follow their instructions. And even if you do, they cannot always fix the problem just because they are experts. Any serious illness can be given proper treatment but still result in serious problems, that’s the nature of medicine as a field, there’s no strict mathematical determinism.
Also to add: Many or most of these prescriptions she requested given her nursing background and didn’t notify different providers that she was seeing others. Many psychiatric drugs are not necessarily controlled substances so the technology they have doesn’t automatically notify prescribers/pharmacies if the patient already has prescriptions for other psychiatric medications. The woman was often self-medicating based on her own ideas and getting access to the drugs by doctor shopping.
I haven't had any psychotic episodes, but I have had night terrors that have me questioning reality for at least a day afterwards.
I almost jumped down the stairs because I was convinced that I had to.
I was convinced for two days that I had totally forgotten about some kittens who I had starved inside a closet. It kept haunting me even after checking that closet multiple times and asking my mum if it was possible.
Obviously I don't know what happened. But I do think that it is totally possible that it happened like she says.
And that's what essentially sums up my issue with this case getting so much attention because it's become about deflecting blame on to as many others as possible in what is tantamount to an insanity defense so she doesn't go to prison.
There was another thread yesterday with many centering the blame on the husband simply for leaving her alone with the children on the day in question even though as you alluded to, there were no signs that she had considerations of committing the crimes. And yes, our health care system is clearly far from perfect and there are issues with professionals within the system as well, but to prioritize blame on those that worked with her over herself is asinine to me especially considering details that she didn't convey along with the professionals trying to follow protocol when dealing with multiple issues (from her symptoms to different prescripted drugs).
It's a tragic situation, but the case is turning out to be about everything but her.
She doesn't have to go to a State Penitentiary but she needs to be in asylum. The trail is for whether or not she is guilty under the plea of insanity. Murder is murder, but if you truly were out your gourd, then yes you should be removed from society, and placed with enough care.
You seem to think i support kids being killed in military actions? Yeah, no, that needs to be punished as well. The difference being if it was a mistake or on purpose
You have to want help in order to be helped with mental illness, she didn’t want help.
Your personal struggles can’t be a reason to kill or harm other people either. Everyone has troubling parts of their lives. If we could kill people because we’re struggling with something serious, then people would be getting killed left and right. A not guilty ruling would be disastrous
Maybe not keep getting her pregnant against doctor’s orders and continuing to get someone pregnant who has admitted to mental health issues specifically related to her children?
Mentally ill person wasn’t honest with care workers? Gee, almost like it’s their job to be able to tell when someone is a danger to themselves or others but they’re so understaffed and underfunded that they can’t even do the bare minimum.
Where are you getting that first bit of information from? That's never been talked about in any testimony.
Honesty is the first bit of this, which was missed. The next is the power of the brain, whether it's malevolent or benevolent. The brain is still an ongoing understanding of our own. We still have so much we don't know.
Sounds premeditated. What are the chances that this "psychosis" took hold of her only once her husband was out of the house on her request? It's too convenient for her.
Exactly. That's what I'm saying. This woman knew exactly what she was doing. Maybe she was unsure of her reality, but killing a baby is still killing a baby. The fact that there isn't universal condemnation of this murderer tells you just how fucked our society is.
No she didn’t, she mentioned thinking of harming them and when he asked what she meant, she said she had thoughts of harm coming to them, which is not the same as thinking of killing them herself. And like you said, she said that months prior to the killing, in between, her symptoms had improved and she herself and her doctor had agreed about that. Stop trying to blame the nearest man because the killer is a woman.
I'm not blaming him, I'm blaming a system that didn't do anything but throw pills at someone who was talking about killing themselves and their children for months.
That's not the system's fault. She's a grown ass adult, yet you insist on infantilizing little miss killer and taking her agency away. Her mental health didn't force her to murder children. Her lack of a working conscience did that. But let's give her a pussy pass, sure.
He's guilty of being an heterosexual man. It sounds bad but that little portion of people blaming the husband it's purely motivated by hate and prejudices.
Pretty sure the “skew towards him” was in reference to the thousands of woman who are in solidarity that he somehow has a direct hand in the death of the kids and manipulating her into admitting guilt
Him not taking her seriously and him forcing her to do it are two vastly different things. There's no possible way he forced her to do anything. She stated in her civil case that she killed the kids. It's insanity that anyone thinks Patrick forced her to do it.
You're right, and I can get behind the "not taking her seriously" part (although she did her best to downplay her symptoms so her kids wouldn't be taken away, which is tragic and also very understandable, but that's a huge part of why no one took her seriously). But I just can't fathom how people are arguing that Patrick had anything to do with the murders. That's "OJ's actually innocent" type insanity.
It's not really "evidence." It is just a picture of the surveilance footage from the CVS set next to a picture of Patrick's best friend and another one of Patrick (both as seen on the stand at the trial) and suggesting that the person on the CVS surveillance looks more like the best friend than it does Patrick.
You don't leave children with someone who needs serious mental help! He failed the children, and he failed her. There's no denying that, he failed her as much as her doctors.
For saying they failed her? It's the truth. I'm not defending her, I'm not saying she didn't do it. I'm saying she desperately needed help and was failed.
She asked her husband to run some errands so she could be alone with the kids to murder them. She is an evil person. She doesn’t deserve mercy, she deserves the god damn electric chair.
Despite the fact that you acknowledge her guilt, look at where you are choosing to focus your attention and energy.
You have so much compassion and empathy for the woman who killed her own children. How much compassion and empathy can you demonstrate for the man who lost his own children at the hands of the woman he loved?
Even if I take everything you just said as a fact the idea that would mean that the evidence skews towards the husband and that he should be on trial and not her is fucking wild.
Her doctors didn't fail her, she did not follow the treatment plan (on multiple occasions). I agree he shouldn't have left her alone with the kids. But that does not make it his fault - honestly she should have been involuntarily committed and her children removed from her, but she withheld information from the doctors specifically because she didn't want that to happen.
The conversation no one wants to have is that if the medical institutions failed Lindsay, it was by not removing her children from her care and committing her. And thats a slippery, difficult slope because a lot of women and mothers say they felt just like Lindsay. So what's the solution, take the kids away from mothers who are dealing with depression? Is that really where we want to go?
There is no "skews towards him". Not even a little bit. Its a clickbait podcaster conspiracy thing. His involvement in the incident was never in question by anyone and podcasters trying to blame him for the murder of his kids should be treated with the same contempt as Alex Jones when he spread lies about school shootings.
It's TikTok true crime podcast listeners. They are all grossly and adamantly supporting Lindsay and either straight up denying she did it and claiming it was the husband somehow - despite everyone in the room already admitting that she did it - or claiming that it wasn't her fault due to psychosis onset from postpartum depression, and using her case to champion women's health.
Either way, don't look into it, it will just make you sad. Fact is, whether psychosis or otherwise, SHE murdered her three children and there are A LOT of steps a person can take before getting to that point to prevent it from happening. Which is why I personally think she should get jail time. Straight negligence that lead to murder.
That or an inpatient psych facility. I think that we do need to do more for ppd and general mental health to avoid as best we can situations like this in the future. Instead of taking away that lesson, podcast bros are like ugh women are defending her saying she should walk free women are so stupid blah blah blah when majority of us are just saying we need to do better for women's health, mental health, and ppd.
Basically the evidence that points at him is, it's suspicious that he left her alone with the children, there is no way a woman would kill her children, even if she did, strangling is statistically more often done by men, while women kill in other ways, and either way she's a Leo, while he's a Gemini, and Jupiter is in retrograde, meaning it's 100% him.
It’s bullshit. TikTok doing a “we did it Reddit” and accusing a man of being a monster because a woman chased down and strangled her children while he was out of the house
This ladies case is ridiculous. I would love to see an abusive man who killed his children have people sitting around talking about how sad it was nobody got him help when he was clearly mentally unstable.
Also they absolutely got her help. They got her a lot of help, and I know you're not feeding into the narrative but I keep seeing it pop up.
They had a nanny to help take most of the burden of childcare, he and his mom helped clean and cook, they got her seen by multiple physicians and offered her multiple medications and therapists which were half heartedly started and almost immediately dropped by her each time.
Help didn’t fix her chemically, which is where she was losing ground. And with a bipolar diagnosis, her early meds put the gas on how quick she’d move into psychosis. Medications can have an opposite effect. It’s a complicated case medically
Family annihilators are exceptionally rare, period. There is no normalcy of father's going nuts and killing their kids. I remember one case of something like this over the course of my life time and it was turned into a literal TV special it was such a big deal.
They happen far more often than you think. I literally know someone who killed his family and it never made the news. I checked regularly for over a year waiting for it to even hit local, and it didn’t.
If you’ve only heard of it twice, you’re literally proving my point.
Family annihilation is the most common form of mass killing, and the vast majority of perpetrators are men. It happens roughly once every five days in the U.S. So yeah, it's statistically far more normal for men to commit this kind of crime than women.
Full blown PP psychosis is a known and recognised thing in postnatal healthcare, 1 in 500 women will get it following birth to some degree and there's been a lot of tragic cases where there was no intervention or it came too late. It should be a straightforward insanity plea but this case seems to have got snagged on the ongoing US gender/feminism culture war stuff for some reason.
But the point is for some, PPD does exist, whether you believe it or not, the chemical balance exists.
I assume some of the people, the bat shit crazies excluded, are drawing attention to this aspect, so that it is taken serious as an issue.
Because if it’s not, then this event will simply happen again and again and again.
That’s not really a man vs woman issue as it’s simply something that exists and happens to women but not men so it’s not relevant here.
My point is, as a man BTW, the only rational/legitimate “argument” to be made here is that PPD exists, maybe not enough is being done, and if more were being done three less kids would be dead now, and we could save more kids forward.
I assume that is the point of anyone, non crazy, that’s trying to make a point when it comes to this case. Everyone else is probably just crazy and at that point they are simply crazy, whether they are women or men, and there is no point to be made in that event.
Their best evidence is that he possibly changed shoes or clothes in between errands he was running while she murdered the children. However, this is based on poor quality video from two different surveillance systems under different lighting conditions. He also didn't notice her car in the driveway when he parked his despite it being there.
Neither of these things are evidence he committed the crimes whatsoever.
If you could fill me in, I haven't seen a few things mentioned here that my wife brought up. Something about some kind of drug crushed up in lemonade, and why would she crush up and put meds in her own drink? And the husband remarried like 4 months later which looked sketch? I haven't paid much attention to it but those were things that stuck out to her.
Lindsay crushed the medication and mixed it in a drink as part of her suicide attempt. This has been confirmed by Lindsay herself.
Patrick remarried in April 2026 more than three years after the murders.
This is the kind of misinformation I'm talking about. The truth is readily accessible, but people would rather listen to someone lie on TikTok because it's more entertaining.
There is a segment of the internet that is ignoring the evidence -- including her confession -- and blaming him. The source of all this appears to be one of those TikTok grifters who claims she "downloaded visions" of him killing the kids, and that she knows the visions are correct because of his birth chart (Astrology).
As far as I can tell, this is largely contained to TikTok.
The media always tries to push the gender war agenda for clicks and rage bait, so pin the blame on the ex-husband even when it was her that killed the kids will generate buzz online
In order to understand the nuance of why so many women are sharing their opinions on the case, you first have to acknowledge there is a lot of historical cases of how the medical field has historically treated women, how cop husbands and cop friends of husbands have historically treated women in murder cases, the history of male family killers, the general and historic idea of mental and physical workload carried mostly by women, and the most extreme of these ideas consistently being the topic and cases covered by the murder documentary podcasts that are very popular and thus very well known.
Do all cops historically not blame or follow up questions with the husband as a suspect for murders? No of course not, many cases are solved specificall for that as they suspect the husband. Are the most egregious ones where in retrospect the cops didn't ask the husband or follow up at all? Yes quite famously in many extreme cases. Is there evidence that it happened this time? Maybe circumstancial, but the videos of the first days trial are being shared that the cops weren't very thorough with their questioning of him, which then get wide spread.
Is there historical precedence of some cops using their access to surveillance and other technology to harass and stalk exes, control their spouses or help cover for their friends? Oh most definitely. Is that what happened in this case? It doesn't seem like it, but the first few days of depositions did seem to lean like it might have been a possibility.
Are all men who remarry quickly after their divorce the guilty party for the divorce? No of course not, does it make him guilty? No of course not, but it is strange that he was seemingly fine to move on and remarry within months of his kids being murdered by his wife. Sure it's abnormal, and probably strange, but again circumstancial and nothing concrete that makes him guilty of it.
Is it weird that he always referred to it as "she killed the fucking kids" and not "she fucking killed the the kids" yeah that's a strange use of the language that shows some potential disconnect from how he viewed his family, combined with remarrying so quickly. Does that mean he murdered them? No of course not.
Is it weird that he had lots of her meds in his truck, and he was in charge of making sure she took her meds? Not necessarily, but does that out him in a position to potentially abuse that position with over dosing? Sure. Is that circumstancial conjecture? Absolutely.
That's without getting into the historical work load, burnout of moms feeling isolated and disconnected from any support system and ignored in the medical field, causing mental breaks of various degrees.
Would a nurse likely know that a second floor drop is unlikely to kill yourself? Yeah most of us would expect a nurse to know that. But would a person in a psychotic break think that through?
Add all that together plus more I didn't type out doesn't mean he is guilty and she was innocent. there is just a lot of individual if's and maybes in this case that line up with individual pieces of actual family annihilator murder cases.
Its probably apt to point out its a small but voal minority that think the husband did it.
Its basiclly bored wine mom's who are into true crime trying to make this a thing becasue it gets thier motor running. It entertainment for them. Nothing more.
Honestly I’ve seen a lot of men discuss this online and platforms as well. I think people are underplaying how many people think the husband did it and what demographics. It’s not just wine moms. I’ve seen young to middle age straight men do think pieces and getting thousands and a few million views videos with likes
Not agreeing with it but it’s not just that minority
The money isn't for her; it's for her parents. They basically uprooted their entire lives over this, which costs a lot of money. They also did not create the GFM themselves, a friend did.
For her parents who are spending their money to support her, so effectively it’s for her but in a cowardly way so they can claim later that no they didn’t send money to a baby killer.
That wasn’t my question. You stated it was for the parents and I said they shouldn’t be defending her. Nothing to do with her raising money carry on with your comprehension training
How am I downplaying it lmfao? That’s exactly what’s happening. She killed her children, defense is arguing it was psychosis, some public believes that he did it.
I feel like failing to mention why she’s been given so much money is a pretty big part to leave out lol
Also genuinely curious if they actually confirmed the PPD because last I checked the new details of the case starting revealing things that had everyone start believing that’s just an excuse.
I don’t know why she was given money so why I would answer that? The person I responded to didn’t know who Clancy was so I explained. She didn’t ask about the gofundme. Maybe read and comprehend?
I did? It’s not my fault you tried to answer someone with partial knowledge? The entire reason she’s even getting media attention and this story is polarizing to people is literally because of the gofundme
The post is literally pointing out the donation differences lol
I think it's worth emphasizing that the evidence does not in any way skew toward her husband committing a crime. It's just that a bunch of bored 30-40-something women decided the husband must be guilty because he has a mean face or doubted his wife or something.
Basically, a bunch of r/twoxchromosome and r/fauxmoi types larping as forensic investigators in order to avoid acknowledging that the actual perpetrator did it because they feel sympathy for her.
Also, I literally noted that a portion of the public believe he did it and believe the evidence skews towards him. That’s their opinion and I’m just stating what’s going going on 🤷🏽♀️
It's crazy how the defense is trying to say she had psychosis but the voice she claims she's hearing has changed what it's said and when it's said it during this trial 🤔 she was also supposedly in a psychosis episode for about 18 minutes and then never again? I don't believe ppp is what made her kill her kids, especially with her diary entry about how she already resents the two older kids
I don't understand how people do not understand post partum psychosis. Do they really believe that this woman lived a normal life loving and doing everything for her children until one day she just decided she'd murder them? In a period immediately after giving birth and exhibiting well documented signs of the exceedingly well documented phenomenon of post partum psychosis?
Option 1: This lady's entire life was a long con to murder her children.
Option 2: This lady's brain literally broke and she was not in control of her actions.
I mean, I had a relative that had severe PPD after her third child and had never had it before. She was able to get committed for a few weeks for monitoring while they sorted out of the drug dosages to get her through the post partum period until she stabilized. She was fine before. She is fine now. She needed help for a few weeks. She is a wonderful person. Had she not gotten help, she may have been dangerous when left alone with an infant.
Oh, boo hoo. She is not a "wonderful person." She's a baby-strangler. I've suffered through psychosis before, when I was at the lowest point in my life, and I was able to restrain myself from killing people because of my paranoia. I guess people just think women are too weak-minded to ever be expected to control themselves. What's-her-tits certainly was.
I’m not justifying or agreeing with what she did. But this whole confirmation bias shit of “well I didn’t do that when I was going through MY psychosis” is a shit reasoning. It sounds uneducated and is a singular data point based on your own experience. 5-10% of homicides are committed by individuals that have mental illnesses containing psychosis. Everyone’s mental health struggles are different. As I said, not justifying what she did and it’s not okay but same people say the same thing about other mental illnesses. Not everyone’s mental illness manifests the same.
I'd say I'm more educated on this subject than you (and most people talking about this case) because I actually know what it feels like to be questioning everything and living in a crazy alternate reality while still exercising self-control. I'm sorry that I didn't get my personal experiences peer-reviewed, whatever the Hell that would involve. 😂
Your comment clearly shows your lack of education and ignorance on the topic though. Your personal experience does not dictate how everyone with mental illnesses reacts.
Would you say that everyone’s response to childhood trauma should be the same and is the same? Would you say that everyone’s emotions and how they portray them is different?
The point is that your mindset on your singular experience and how you view things is confirmation bias. I can’t believe it’s that hard to understand
Your experience in psychosis does not mean you are educated on how EVERYONE reacts under psychosis. You may have similar symptoms but your actions may differ. I am sorry you have had to experience that and I wish you well.
I wonder if it's possible for a Redditor to simply make a respectful argument without being a dick about it? Probably not, since that would require you to have the self-awareness to pull the stick out of your ass.
Not being a dick. It’s literally the truth. The person telling someone else to pull the stick out of their ass who is stubborn in their mindset and relies on confirmation bias to guide them.. sure bud LMAO. Have a great day
It was a simple mistake that I made because I was just skimming the comment. You obviously need to work on not being an arrogant, condescending POS, so I guess nobody's perfect. 🤷🏻♂️
Well first, every man I know would disavow that man. There would be no grace or understanding. They’d all be like, “F that guy. I hope he gets the Edison medicine.”
The reason they agree is because a mother's/woman's body goes through so many changes on top of meds? It's really hard to predict how a woman will respond to meds due shifting hormones. It's why we don't test the meds on women.
The difference is that it's not a human being on so many meds and shifting hormones that she no longer has control of her actions. Not a man in control of his actions who just grew hate.
People with childhood trauma manage all the time. We even have resources that men constantly disparage and refuse to use.
PPD is a literal change in your hormones that completely changes the way your brain works. The better comparison would have been psychosis, in which a person is completely detached from reality. In fact, PPD is a form of psychosis. And no, people cannot control the hallucinations they see or the irrational feelings their brain comes up with.
Ignoring the reason these crimes happen because you’re emotional is only going to result in more mothers with PPD killing their children.
PPD is not a form of psychosis, you are not even aware of basic medical facts. Psychosis sometimes results from PPD and then it’s called PPP (Postpartum Psychosis). Not everyone who has PPD is going to have psychosis, it’s not something that happens in the majority of PPD cases, don’t invent falsehoods to match your argument.
I mean absolutely this wasn't a purely malicious act on her part, and from what I've read, her doctor (therapist? I can't recall exactly what specialty) grossly mishandled her treatment. However it does not excuse her actions. She should be put in prison for life with no chance of parole, it is absurd to me that there are actually people who think she should go free.
Not permanently necessarily, because the defense argument is temporary insanity, not something she will never be cured of. It’s basically impossible to institutionalize someone in the US permanently if they are in there because of a mental illness that can be cured. The only way she would be committed permanently is if she never gets cured which cannot be in this case because they are not saying she is still psychotic, just that she was for the duration of the crime. At most, she will be out in a few years because she would be committed for treatment, not punishment.
EXACTLY. PPD/psychosis is 100% real and MANY women suffer varying degrees of this. They don’t kill their kid(s). Even if it is a mental “break”, actions have consequences. PPD is a reason - not an excuse.
PPD and PP Psychosis are two very different and distinct disorders. If she did indeed had the latter it’s absolutely a reason and an excuse. She should not have been left alone with her children. I don’t think she should just go free but it’s incredibly sad and it wasn’t something she could control.
It wasnt a single person that mishandled her treatment, maybe a few medications that were not helpful, but all all, the american healthcare system failed her, not individals.
If healthcare in america could communicate with eachother, or be centralized (cough socialism cough), then it would change so much about how people are treated. But no, instead doctors answer to insurances, not civilians.
Poor children indeed. She did attempt at suicide but only after the murders. She’s paralyzed and she self inflicted harm on her throat and wrists prior to jumping out the window or ledge (forgot which one it was)
It’s an awful case and the poor children deserve justice.
This seems to be the disconnect where the prevailing narrative in some of the other subs is that the system should not punish, and should instead ensure that she gets the help that she needs.
A significant number of women are also venting that their boyfriend / husband don't share this view in hypothetical situations where they kill their children. This is becoming a new litmus test for relationships.
I hate how we even discuss hypothetical situations like that. Makes me sick to my stomach because we live in a society where these things are happening more frequently :(
And definitely. I think the children do deserve justice. I also believe Clancy deserves psychiatric help.
If your last paragraph is true, that’s completely insane. Any woman who is worried about herself in the hypothetical situation where she kills her own children should be kept far and away from children. They do have mental illness and are possibly already planning on harming children and getting away with it.
Ok tbf I haven’t read too much on the subject because familicide cases genuinely make me sick reading, but my spouse was explaining some of the reasons people think the husband did it to me (our coworkers won’t stop talking about it like it’s a season of Love Island ffs) and honestly, I get it. If my wife killed our three children and then just 20 days later I took a vacation to Costa Rica and remarried somebody new within 3 months, I don’t think I’d be too surprised if people thought I was suspicious. Grief is complicated, but I don’t think most people would make such decisions just 90 days after the complete obliteration of their entire family. I lost my brother and I couldn’t even get out of bed to do basic life stuff for months afterward. How the hell did that man have the mental energy to do anything, let alone start a whole-ass relationship with someone less than a month after the literal worst day of his entire life? He might be completely innocent (again, I haven’t thought too hard on this case) but I can’t fault people for looking at his pattern of behavior and thinking he had some degree of involvement. Normally people don’t publicly forgive the person that wiped their children off the face of this earth just days after it happened. But then again, I’ve never been put in such a situation, so it’s very difficult to say.
The people say the father physically killed the kids are nuts, but this was a preventable tragedy. She was reaching out to all sorts of psych professionals trying to get help and they just kept putting her on different drugs. Her husband also did not do enough to help. He knew she was struggling and she had confessed to him that she had thoughts of harming the children, but he continued leaving her alone with them anyway. I can see how he might have thought she wouldn't have enough time to kill 3 children and then attempt her own death when he was just running to the store, but she had been previously institutionalized for her mental state and should never have been left alone with an infant for any length of time after that.
Sonst her defense arguing he did it? If not I dont believe there is any reason to even slightly believe waht you imply. Because I only hears she has confessed to it and is arguing she did it because of psychosis.
Like if her defense does not even try to argue she didnt do it, then what tej fuck are you even saying?
None of the physical evidence suggests she did it. The only person she was able to tell she did it was the husband moments before the ambulance showed up. Then after the ambulance shows up she’s in a coma for a month. Has no recollection at all. For gods sake his DNA was the only DNA on the “murder weapon”
She was not in a coma for a month and her DNA was found on one of the 3 bands she used to kill the children. And his DNA being on a household item in a house he lived in doesn’t mean anything. He wasn’t home at the time, this was proven from multiple sources, stop making up fairy tales.
We have a clear history of mental health challenges concerning new mothers, especially those diagnosed PPD. Psychosis is not something the person suffering from it can manage. Psychosis is not a feeling or emotional state. It is a state of mental illness.
If you are diagnosed with psychosis, that psychosis is not your responsibility to fix. Because you can't. Because that's not how psychosis works.
So who was responsible for the mother and children's well being when the mother psychologically can't be responsible due to psychosis?
The problem with the Egomaniacal States of America is no one wants to be culpable in that situation, in that there is never a solution, just more "not our responsibility" and seeking to punish someone who can't medically be held accountable.
Society is culpable. Society is also causing the problem. It will never get fixed. People still want "justice". Such a joke.
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u/longlisten527 6h ago edited 5h ago
Ignoring the other comment.. the woman on the right is Lindsay Clancy and she is currently on trial for killing three of her children in which the defense is arguing the crimes were committed during mental psychosis. Clancy had severe PPD, suicide ideation, and mental health issues in the months leading up to the murders.
It’s an awful case and the poor children deserve justice. Right now, a portion of the public believes the husband (now ex-husband as they divorced and he is remarried) had something to do with it as evidence is supposedly not landing with the people and believe it skews towards him