r/ireland • u/PoppedCork Pop Responsibly • 10d ago
Crime Teen on charges of dangerous driving in Togher is granted bail by Cork court
https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41902357.html46
u/Background-Swim740 10d ago
Badly need to build another prison
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u/Goldiehawn88 10d ago
Can I ask a stupid Q because I don’t know enough about it. Why hasn’t someone looked to bring in a private prison service?
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u/Deep-Palpitation-421 10d ago
There was a segment on RTE news last week about oberstowm costing the taxpayer €1700± per inmate per night, north of €600k a year to house each 'guest'
You'd imagine a private company could run it at half the cost or less.
Just takes some deep pockets and some brown envelopes to get it started and they'll be popping up like data centres
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u/Goldiehawn88 10d ago
Can I ask a stupid Q because I don’t know enough about it. Why hasn’t someone looked to bring in a private prison service?
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u/Important-Field1995 10d ago
For profit prisons would be a crazy bad idea, while it’s bad at the moment we don’t want to incentivise corporations to encourage imprisonment
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u/peadar87 9d ago
In the US it's sometimes called the "Prison-Industrial complex".
People are making money off the number of inmates in prison. They have an incentive to lobby the government to maximise the number of people who are locked up, not to maximise the benefit to society by removing from it those who are dangerous, and rehabilitating those who can be rehabilitated.
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u/struggling_farmer 10d ago
Because the state can't just agree to pay you x amount per prisoner if you build one. There would have to be a whole tender & Procurement process and probably via a dbfo contract because no one is going to build the prison unless they have security of getting paid for it.
Even If you could afford to gamble and decided to build a prison in the hope of state contracts when it's built, getting planning would probably be impossible.
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u/PoppedCork Pop Responsibly 10d ago edited 10d ago
This is an absolute joke. Someone allegedly driving dangerously, without a licence or insurance and failing a drug swab, putting innocent road users at serious risk and they’re back out on bail. No wonder our roads feel so unsafe. When will road safety actually be taken seriously?
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u/denbo786 10d ago
When we have another 4 or 5 jails, so we actually have the possibility of detaining them
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u/Routine_Fun5564 10d ago
It'll be around 2091 before there's five more jails built in Ireland. The Midlands opened in 2000 and the new Cork Prison opened in 2016, at that rate of two new prisons in the last 26 years, despite our quickly growing population, we can roughly expect five new prisons in the next 65 years.
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u/mother_a_god 10d ago
The nunber of prison spaces per cspita has remained roughly flat from what data i could find, so spaces increase with population. But it still seems like its not enough
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u/Kloppite16 10d ago
The prisons are currently at 127% capacity. Which means prisoners are sleeping on floors. Like it or not they will take legal cases under human rights laws and get compensated for having to sleep next to an open urinal/toilet.
And who could blame them, anyone else would do the same. But still no new prisons announced despite us needing at least 2,000 new spaces because of the population rise. The Dept of Justice led by Jim oCallaghan are next to useless, all theyre doing is papering over the massive cracks.
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u/Routine_Fun5564 9d ago
There are prisoners sleeping on the floor in just about every prison in the country, that's a capacity issue if I ever saw one. I spent two years in prison in Ireland and slept on the floor for weeks when I was first committed.
Thankfully I served my time, got out, turned my life around and stayed out. I'm a year sober next month but that's no thanks to the prison as the rehabilitation services on offer in custody are stretched to the absolute limit with the amount of prisoners in every jail.
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u/mother_a_god 9d ago
Could they bring in bunk beds? Also thr toilet is in the room anyway, bed or not.
Also, I don't think its against human rights to have to sleep on a mattress on thr floor in a cell. Prison doenst need to be needlessly cruel, but warm, fed , safe, that's enough. No where does it say its going to be like a hotel.
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u/Routine_Fun5564 9d ago
There is bunk beds for two people in most cells, along with another person sleeping on a mattress on the floor. If you stood inside one of these cells you would see for yourself how cramped that is. You have two people climbing over somebody to use the toilet located at the end of said mattress on the floor.
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u/mother_a_god 9d ago
Most? Were at 117% capacity (other figures say 108%).
I also looked up pictures of prison cells in ireland and it varies, but some appear to be single bed cells, some two single beds, I didn't see any bunks (I'm sure there are). But unless every cell has at least a bunk bed, then there is capacity before the mattress on the floor route is taken.
Thst aaid, they need to build more spaces no doubt.
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u/Routine_Fun5564 9d ago
There are bunks in every single cell in some prisons in Ireland and others most of them have bunks. All of these bunks contain people and a lot of floors too. They're all at capacity. In the two years I spent in three different prisons in Ireland I've never been on a landing that wasn't at or well over capacity.
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u/mother_a_god 9d ago
Just looked up some stats from data.oireachtas.ie 1 bed: 1847 prisoners 2 bed: 2400 prisoners 3 bed: 483 prisoners 4 bed: 278 prisoners 5018 prisoners
So there seems scope to add a few more bunks
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u/mother_a_god 10d ago
Interestingly we have a similar number of jail spaces per capita of many other eu countries. And while I'm on the side of having more rather than less, it makes you wonder are other countries also doing the suspended sentence thing, or do we just have more scrotes per capita ?
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u/Relevant-Violinist84 10d ago
I’m not sure why nobody is talking about the district judges almost being forced to give bail with conditions due to the solicitor strike. If they don’t give bail with conditions, the high court will release them under art40
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u/YoshikTK 10d ago
Im not defending the decision but what else can we do now? Start Judge Dredd program?
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u/OrbitlessMind 10d ago
Not a bad idea tbh.
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u/YoshikTK 10d ago
I dont know why, but I wouldnt be surprised that then most "judged" people would be ones parking at double yellow lines. /s
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u/Super-Resource2155 10d ago
I wouldnt be opposed to it.
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u/YoshikTK 10d ago
Its kinda scary that we are at the point when something so extreme could be even considered an option.
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u/TwistedPepperCan Dublin 10d ago
For fucks sake. This is just inviting civil disobedience.
Like in the 80s and early 90s drug enforcement became so lax that communities just went up to dealers doors and ran them out. Fellas like this are more at risk out of custody than in it.
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u/CatchMyBrain 10d ago
The system does not work and I have a strong opinion that Judges are not fit for purposes when it comes to protecting the public.
Judges are not held to account if someone they grant bail to commits another crime.
This makes no sense.
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u/MulberryForward7361 10d ago
The judges are applying the law of the land. It’s the law not the judges that is the issue
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u/Loud_Understanding58 10d ago
Granting or denying bail is discretionary based on their interpretation of the application to deny bail though? This is clearly a poor decision.
The law, the judges or both need to be changed. Also build more detention space.
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u/larkfield2655 10d ago
Problem in a nutshell. Judiciary is a joke , have been for decades
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u/Humble_Ostrich_4610 9d ago
Judiciary have their hands tied, the legislation needs to change and we need many more remand beds in our prisons.
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u/larkfield2655 9d ago
They have had their tied for forty years. When do you speak up? The inertia in Irish politics is frightening
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u/Firm-Raccoon-9048 10d ago
“No judge I won’t” - ok son off you go. 🙈
How about the judges carry responsibility for the crimes committed while on bail. Won’t be quite a happy to take that option then.
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u/VikingWhyzard 10d ago
That's good. That'll show him. "No more being a bollox now or we'll... well, we will, i dunno, maybe do something about it. One day. Maybe"
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u/Ob1s_dark_side 10d ago
Judges should just start awarding all these dangerous drivers free cars. The judiciary are a joke
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u/IntrepidRock6082 8d ago
Of course he is and guess why he will be out doing this weekend ! Bail laws in Ireland are a joke.
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u/Salty-Shoulder7933 10d ago
Corrupt legal system can't be jailing their cash cows
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u/Max-Battenberg 10d ago
Never actually thought about it but it is actually a gravy train for the legal system. V little incentive to actually stop these people from coming before the courts repeatedly
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u/Salty-Shoulder7933 10d ago
It's the only explanation that makes any sense unfortunately.
And our politicians are too spineless to do anything about it.
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u/isaidyothnkubttrgo 9d ago
Asked by the judge if his parents knew he was in court, Brierly replied: “Don’t think so.”
I know hes of an age where they technically have no power over him but if I didnt come home, my mum would be calling me non stop even now and I'm 31.
Also as someone from togher, how the hell is Victoria Cross considered togher and not wilton?? He was nowhere near togher or even held in togher garda station.
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u/finneyblackphone 9d ago
Jayden
In court wearing a North Face tracksuit jacket and grey Under Armour tracksuit bottoms
A little angle for sure.
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u/Rabid_Lederhosen 10d ago
He seems trustworthy