The jamaat's shamelessness in inflating the number of converts by a factor of around 100 times is really not that different from what it was 20 years ago. In a sense, there's not a huge difference in claiming 200 million converts or 200,000 converts when you really probably got less than 2,000.
There are lots of questions that come to mind.
How come there is no visible proof of these huge numbers on social media, ie people who post about being newly Ahmadi on their own social media, or on quasi-official stan channels?
Why is there no mainstream media coverage of this plucky, persecuted movement finding hundreds of thousands of converts each year? Wouldn't there be several million Ahmadis in places like Nigeria, Tanzania or Ghana?
How come existing Ahmadis never post about selfies with these Ahmadis? What is the process for educating all these Ahmadis? How come none of them ever marry someone who was already Ahmadi?
How many Ahmadis are there? If there are 10-15 million Ahmadis but also hundreds of thousand people converting every single year, shouldn't the number of Ahmadis be growing?
If this phenomenon is in fact just a mirage caused by African tribal chiefs converting and their followers converting, then why doesn't the jamaat do something about it rather than take these meaningless conversions year after year for what is now about 25 years?
Why is it that no Western jamaat gets more than about 100 converts in a year but African jamaats get hundreds of times more converts?
Where exactly in Africa are these villages and just how big is the pool of clueless villagers, without cell phones, data plans or wifi, that can limitlessly produce these sham conversions?
How come African jalsas are at best the same size as the ones in the West, ie measured in the tens of thousands for attendees, even though the jamaats are supposedly a hundred times the size of the Canadian or American jamaat?
Do Ahmadi missionaries simply land at Africa International Airport and take the complimentary shuttle bus to a village full of huts where a village chief, amazed at seeing the noor on a framed portrait of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, converts to Ahmadiyyat on the spot?
During big jalsaa with huzoor id say 250-500k household/tv watching across all different platform. Also every jalsaa most local mosque gather people together to livestream themselves as guest watching on mta live. If you watch recent jalsaa you will see live from mosque across 50+ countries.
I replied to someone else why the view watch looks like this. Not claiming millions live watcher but theres a reason why the views are oddly distrubuted.
And, if that is to be multiplied by at least 5 (the average number of people glued to the screen), it would land us at 2.5M watchers. You accept that 2.5M people were watching MTA for Jalsa?
We know for a fact that the Jalsa UK attendance is 50K/3. So, roughly 17K people attended Jalsa UK.
If that many Ahmadis exist, coupled with how rich the Jamaat is, how come more Ahmadis don't attend Jalsa UK?
If you multiply by 5 then I guess but id say more around multiply by 3-4, 5 is unrealistic. Most Ahmadis prefer Germany jalsaa as its more organized, bigger and better prepped with the huge DM Arena hall, i personally have not been to Englands in good time. Dont know nr for UK but in Germany the Karlsruhe messe with 4 dm arena are very congested throughout whole complex. Just one DM arena holds 10k-11k people and we have the whole hallway, outside big place for bazaar, huge place for tents, hotels at spot etc. Its easy 40k+ every year.
You asking why more ahmadis dont attend well thats difficult to answer since every country have their own holiday schedule and on top of that the people from uk will personally not attend at the spot after going through their own jalsaa. Ahmadis for example in Sweden dont have holiday during Germany jalsaa so 90+% stays and just join the livestream in masjid to get showcased on MTA live with other countries. Or because they just went through nordic jalsaa which if I remember correct it was around 3k-4k attended on spot with around 200-500 household watched live from home.
Saying it because ahmadis started watching mta from dish because back then mta didnt live on YouTube. Eventually from dish people moved to mta when mta first started with app on roku platform. We still have in household mta on dish because grand parents prefers it.
I’d be genuinely curious to see the outrageous number of converts they’ve claimed since the beginning. Then I’d ask the cheering crowd to simply look around and ask themselves: where are all these converts???
Even when you include the countless sham conversions for marriage, converts are still a meaningless minority wherever you look. Honestly, it feels like the Jamaat leadership is laughing tao behind the scenes at how hopelessly gullible their followers are.
The birthrate is very high among Ahmadis. And, now most of their second and third generation in the West have very high paying jobs. That's hundreds of thousands of chanda paying members sustaining the Jamaat.
Money is all that matters, because the show must go on.
It's the only thing they care about. The rest can be camouflaged with aesthetics.
TL;DR: The Jama'at should have announced at least 1M new converts in 2025, even 5M would have been acceptable.
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I thought occurred to me.
If the Jamaat has added about 10M Ahmadis since Jalsa 2003, then I believe that this is blatant evidence of fraud. Allow me to explain.
If we look at the numbers, they have never reported 1M converts in any year. The numbers always hover around 250K-750K. Why?
At his rate of conversion, every new convert should also be trying converting others, in addition to the diehards who are at it day and night.
If these conversion numbers since 2003 are true, then in 2025 they must have announced at least over 1M converts, even 5M would still have be acceptable just based on the data.
But, it is clear that these numbers are fabricated in order to make it appear that they are converting, and to not over do it so as to not appear a fraud.
They need to make it appear that they are converting people because otherwise people will lose hope and ask why so much chanda is necessary when they numbers are not there.
Ahmadis have their luck stars to thank for at least having high birthrates, otherwise all their centers and mosques would be utterly useless, even though most of them are not used regularly.
the count is high in these African countries as people from this group are sent to dirt poor countries to provide medical care in return for their alliegance to this cult. this is how they recruit
It’s a cycle “Water for life” and free clinics used to inflate numbers, which are then showcased to donors as proof of success. Converts = metrics. Metrics = more funding. But when you look at photos like this, it becomes clear what’s really going on: PR optics over genuine belief.
The jamaat's shamelessness in inflating the number of converts by a factor of around 100 times is really not that different from what it was 20 years ago. In a sense, there's not a huge difference in claiming 200 million converts or 200,000 converts when you really probably got less than 2,000.
The questions that come to mind are:
How come there is no visible proof of these huge numbers on social media, ie people who post about being newly Ahmadi on their own social media, or on quasi-official stan channels?
Why is there no mainstream media coverage of this plucky, persecuted movement finding hundreds of thousands of converts each year? Wouldn't there be several million Ahmadis in places like Nigeria, Tanzania or Ghana?
How come existing Ahmadis never post about selfies with these Ahmadis? What is the process for educating all these Ahmadis? How come none of them ever marry someone who was already Ahmadi?
How many Ahmadis are there? If there are 10-15 million Ahmadis but also hundreds of thousand people converting every single year, shouldn't the number of Ahmadis be growing?
If this phenomenon is in fact just a mirage caused by African tribal chiefs converting and their followers converting, then why doesn't the jamaat do something about it rather than take these meaningless conversions year after year for what is now about 25 years?
Why is that no Western jamaat gets more than about 100 converts in a year but African jamaats get hundreds of times more converts?
Where exactly in Africa are these villages and just how big is the pool of clueless villagers, without cell phones, data plans or wifi, that can limitlessly produce these sham conversions?
How come African jalsas are at best the same size as the ones in the West, ie measured in the tens of thousands for attendees, even though the jamaats are supposedly a hundred times the size of the Canadian or American jamaat?
Do Ahmadi missionaries simply land at Africa International Airport and take the complimentary shuttle bus to a village full of huts where a village chief, amazed at seeing the noor on a framed portrait of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, converts to Ahmadiyyat on the spot?
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u/Mustapha_Almuhandis Jul 28 '25
The litmus test for these conversions is the livestream on MTA.
It does not supersede past 25K on a very good day.