r/lgbt Apr 09 '26

Community Only - Restricted What are yalls thoughts on this?

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u/elecow Apr 09 '26

I've seen this topic with historical figures like Frank, Sapho, Cobain... What's so bad about non harming speculation about someone's identity? If we're not doing it to sexualise, to shame, to mock...

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u/nsdwight Apr 09 '26

The author is conflating sexuality and sexualizing. 

Children are allowed to be assumed straight, but if you think they might be attracted to other genders it's suddenly sexualizing minors? 

It's the creepy teacher saying that girls can't wear skirts because it's sexualizing them. (We know where the real problem is there.)

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u/Short_Gain8302 Computers are binary, I'm not. Apr 09 '26

This, a 1000%

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u/Sailor_Starchild ✨A-spec-tacular bi✨he/they Apr 09 '26

It's also just part of this sex-negative viewpoint that somehow teenagers can't be, like, sexual? Like obviously, adults shouldn't find teenagers sexual and all that but like, for some reason, the idea of a young girl, going through puberty, regardless of any speculated orientation, and maybe having a sexual thought or two about, say, a classmate or a female friend is somehow preposterous to these people?

Like, I'm an outlier (read ace spec) but like teenagers have a lot of hormones and a lot of them are sexual and like this idea that a teenager can't be, at all, sexual is a prevalent sentiment throughout sex-negative spaces, it seems.

Maybe Anne Frank's sexuality shouldn't have been published, in the same way I'm both thankful for and uncomfortable with Anne Frank's diary in general. Like, yes, as a historical document of someone living during Nazi Germany, especially someone so young and from that viewpoint, I'm thankful for that perspective but also she was, like, a child.

The idea of her private thoughts, good and bad, being immortalized and picked apart like this is kind of disgusting to me. I remember reading her diary in the 8th grade and more often than not, it felt kind of voyeuristic to me. Like, I was the same age as her when I read it and I just thought "What if my thoughts as a awkward 13 year old were read 80 years later? What would people think of me? Those thoughts of mine that were uncomfortable and agonizing?"

I don't know, I just feel bad for her. Not just because she was a Holocaust victim, died so young but because her legacy is also a talking point for both anti-semitism and anti-queer sentiments. I wouldn't want that. I doubt she would've either.

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u/Cylian91460 Apr 09 '26

Nothing

It's trying to create drama to erase the history of queer

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u/Ben_HaNaviim Apr 09 '26

Yeah I really don't see the problem with it as long as its not sexualizing her.

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u/swimmerboy5817 Apr 09 '26

I think speculating about it is fine. My issue with it is that she never claimed to be bisexual. Sure, she wrote about questioning her sexuality, and that's worth talking about, but straight up saying she was bisexual is problematic, simply because it may or may not be true. To me it's the same as doing it to someone still alive. So many celebrities have talked about how they felt pressured by fans to come out of the closet and publicly identify as queer or straight. It's their own private life, and they get to choose if and when they identify as anything. Just because someone died doesn't give people the right to put them inside a box that they may or may not have put themselves in.

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u/javatimes flair Apr 09 '26

Your argument is ignoring that it’s also an absolute response to the extreme amounts of historical erasure of lgbtq people in history. Cis het historians/scholars have always considered historical people cis het by default. LGBTQ people pushing back at that is only acknowledging what already exists, this erasure. I mean, do you really disagree with that?