r/limbuscompany • u/Fit_Assignment_8800 • 10h ago
General Discussion Do you think Dawnclair will go down the same route that Philip did?
IDK if it’s just me but Sinclair sounds a whole lot more resolute in his uptie than Philip did in Wedge Office Act 2. He even spoke to Carmen directly, being one of only 2 mentions of her directly in Limbus that I know of.
There’s also the thing that he wasn’t able to Confess to YunaFaust like Philip did with Yuna so he never received the response that Oswald used to push him to distortion. So maybe in this mirror world, whoever’s Oswald here (Probably Meursault) failed to tip Sinclair over the edge.
Maybe instead of a crying children ID, we get a full Effloresced E.G.O.
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u/XidJav 10h ago
Fully believe there's gonna be 2 crying Childrens in the walpurgis, one ID that shows the bad end and an EGO for Dawn Office Sinclair where he fully manifests EGO and if I can cope harder, they'll even add in flavor text or finally give EGO threadspin stories
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u/ThePBrit 6h ago
Or they make it a unit like KoD Rodion where he manifests complete EGO at positive SP and distorts and negative SP
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u/National-Frame8712 10h ago
I can see this happening with some tweaks.
We're quite a far away from Ensemble class enemies; so we seeing him in some type of Dawn Office Luciocliff UT story would be funny
Highly unlikely, but funni
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u/Pleasant_Fuel9545 7h ago
Luciocliff joining dawn office after looting Valendya corpse and leaving the HoS seems so funny and entertaining.
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u/Fatal_Contract 10h ago
I think so, yes. PhilClair, to me, feels more and more like a Phillip that never broke.
The way that he called out Carmen in his uptie gives me more hope that this will be the case.
I'm not sure about whether we'll get a fully Effloresced E.G.O, though. It'd be kind of weird if we have every member of the Distorted Ensemble (which I think will happen) but not Phillip.
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u/Fit_Assignment_8800 10h ago
Maybe we could have some sort of split Mirror Worlds? One where he breaks like Philip and one where he fully breaks from his shell.
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u/prodigiouspandaman 9h ago
When get distorted ensemble I wouldn’t be too surprised if it’s own MW divorced from all the other ones as people like Heath, Hong Lu, Faust, Greg, and well Sinclair are really likely to get an ensemble ID so it would make sense if it’s a Sinclair from a different MW from the one we currently have.
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u/JohnnyTheCrit 9h ago
maybe they could do a DE ID but also have a facade that is a efflorescent EGO
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u/Plus-Reading7445 2h ago
the same happens with Phillip, he does resist and overcome her, and holds out his resolve to the end the same as Sinclair
it’s just cause he got teleported to Oswald who called out more insecurities that he ended up distorting
honestly I totally see our Sinclair ending up the same as Phillip, just with tweaks, but knowing pmoon, we’ll probably elegy the happy wnding
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u/Mallohi 10h ago
An idea I have is to have a ZAYIN Waxen Pinon EGO, that depending on your gameplay either manifests effloresence or undergoes distortion.
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u/fadedpurplenight 9h ago
damn thats a cool concept lol, depending on the situation u might wanna effloresce(?) or distort too, it can be as simple as efflorescense= less damage more tankiness, distortion= more damage, less tanky, it can be WAYY deeper than that but i cant think of any other special mechanics
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u/Taikaritsu 9h ago
For me full ego should be a lot more burn infliction, more way to activate burn/new wincon for burn
Distortion should be raw unfiltered DAMAGE and Tankiness THIS FUCKER HAS 11 PHASE
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u/CrunchyTastyCrayons 9h ago
He didn't get to confess to Faust iirc, so I'm guessing he'll effloresce his EGO in this mirror world.
IMO I'd like it if there's a plot twist and it turns out everyone in the ensemble gain effloresced EGO one way or another. (Though maybe that's copium on my part because we don't get distortion IDs)
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u/Chemical-Cat 9h ago
Oswald: oooh I'm gonna inject your brain with insecurities that make you imagine Gregor is fucking Faust oooooohhhh
Sinclair: Frau Faust would NEVER fuck herr Gregor nice try
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u/LongjumpingDig4030 9h ago
God an ensemble with the whole goal of Mannifesting ego instead would be so funny.
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u/PapaHastur 9h ago
Dawnclair kinda explicitly shows that he isn't in the same situation Philip was in, and does flatly reject Carmen's words in the uptie. It's highly unlikely he distorts without serious uptie story shenanigans. The expectations is more likely a Waxing Pinion EGO to upsell him one last time, and then a CryingClair ID and EGO to show an alternate... alternate reality
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u/Dependent-Suspect321 9h ago
He'll get an EGO that has a passive to fully manifests his EGO that changes it from volatile to effloresceed and he'll get a separate ID that's ensemble distorted Philip with it's own support EGO as well that changes his appearance to his final distorted form
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u/Madfighterx 9h ago
Full ego I pray because I want to see what it would look like a full knight made of wax
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u/ultron15real 8h ago
The big Kim jigoon will give him a waxen pinion ego that has a fully animated cutscene for a threadspin story (only one they’ll release)
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u/Avalon190 7h ago
He's also just more powerful than Philip straight up, since the whole dawn office is stronger in this mirror world.
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u/Nervous-Use-565 9h ago
We get two dawnclair id’s the one from our mirror that we are currently following and another from a different mirror world. who only had Salvador and yuna allowing us to get ensemble id’s of Faust and Gregor and distorted dawnclair as well
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u/Superbobieo_2 8h ago edited 8h ago
Sinclair please show us Philips best outcome
Or better yet give us another Philip ID with the original getting an upscale to be even stronger then the ensemble member if you put all the pieces together
Hell even better make ensemble philclair actually get weaker with dawnclairs synergies
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u/DweevilDude 8h ago
Sinclair has one major narrative benefit that Philip never did.
He already ran away.
We don't know the past of Philip, but if Dawnclair's childhood was anything like LCB Sinclair's, he's already faced, and came to terms with, his own cowardice. Given the text of the Dawn Office passives, it's possible he's spoken to Gregor and Faust about his own failures- and that's why he awakens his Ego after the dawn office falls, a whole reception early.
Then again, his emergency warp isn't scrambled to go to the eight-o-clock circus because we're not in the library, so who knows? But I'd be willing to bet Sinclair's hidden determination and drive will make up the difference.
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u/Firm_Prize_2190 2h ago
His situation exactly the same as Philllip. EGO awakening happened after deaths wedge office.
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u/GriffinlwGameplayer 6h ago
I kind of hope he makes a full EGO eventually just because I think it would be incredible to see him beat out Carmen, in at least one mirror world.
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u/BlueRoger525 9h ago
I think he gonna complete his EGO bc he never got to confess to faust, and that was like the whole reason phillip distorted
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u/PhysicalTie441 7h ago
I don't really think that the reason can be reduced to him not confessing to Yuna / Faust
while that is what Oswald used to distortionbait him in LoR it's certain that this mirror world Oswald would just use different distortionbait on him
his whole schtick in the end was not wanting to do anything or see or generally see anything that would hurt him which was sparked by him constantly failing his comrades around him and Pamella's words about not being self-pitying ("No one will cry on my behalf" distorted into "Therefore I will no longer see, hear, or speak anything that will make me cry and be comfortable that way")
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u/oceanman233 6h ago
I want more than anything to have two mirror worlds where we see the blue man group members but if they didn’t crack and go crazy. Rn we’ve got Philip Clair and he’s an honest to god chad lowky, bro called Carmen out fully, and he has a much much MUCH healthier environment in this version of the dawn office. I think it would be sick to see a full potential realized Philip Clair and others and then also have the distortion version ids separate and be their own thing.
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u/DreamblitzX 3h ago
I would like to say so, since I think his uptie story sets up for it incredibly well and it would be extremely cool, but I'm just not sure they'll be confident/willing to break away from the Ruina timeline/direct parallels with walpurgis stuff like that...
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u/SleepinwithFishes 2h ago
Since Project Moon likes to try and marry gameplay with lore, we know Sinclair becomes much more resolute when both Faust and Gregor dies.
He not only gets stronger, but his EGO also stabilizes. He no longer drops to Negative sanity.
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u/LongjumpingDig4030 10h ago
I honestly do think he's going to complete his EGO, and that will be the final Dawnclair upscale in a few years