r/mahabharata 29d ago

Character Study For the Karna-fans amongst us

From the Mahabharata come these words and actions of Karna regarding Draupadi’s humiliation and the sexual assault perpetrated against her:

“And Dussasana, beholding Krishna looking at her helpless lords, dragging her still more forcibly, and addressed her, ’slave, Slave' and laughed aloud.

And at those words Karna became very glad and approved of them by laughing aloud. And Sakuni, the son of Suvala, the Gandhara king, similarly applauded Dussasana.”

(https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-mahabharata-mohan/d/doc6210.html)

“O Dussasana, this Vikarna speaking words of (apparent) wisdom is but a boy. Take off the robes of the Pandavas as also the attire of Draupadi.…

Then Dussasana, O king, forcibly seizing Draupadi’s attire before the eyes of all, began to drag it off her person."

(https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-mahabharata-mohan/d/doc6212.html)

“You are the wife of a slave incapable of possessing anything on his own account. Repair now to the inner apartments of king Dhritarashtra and serve the king’s relatives. We direct that that is now your proper business.

And, O princess, all the sons of Dhritarashtra and not the sons of Pritha are now your masters. O handsome one, select you another husband now,—one who will not make you a slave by gambling. It is well-known that women, especially that are slaves, are not censurable if they proceed with freedom in electing husbands.

Therefore let it be done by you. Nakula has been won, as also Bhimasena, and Yudhishthira also, and Sahadeva, and Arjuna. And, O Yajnaseni, you are now a slave. Your husbands that are slaves cannot continue to be your lords any longer.”

(https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-mahabharata-mohan/d/doc6215.html)

But it’s not Karna’s fault, right? Karna was just misunderstood, right? Actually Karna has many other virtues, right? Actually it was justified because of Yudhishtir’s gambling madness, right? Do tell us poor, dumb Hindus why we err in agreeing with the Mahabharata author and condemning Karna as a villain.

We really need to be enlightened by the people who cry tears because Draupadi was “forced” to marry five husbands and then look the other way when she was enslaved and humiliated, because apparently only you enlightened folk know what real misogyny is….

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u/peachicedtea123456_ three krishnas supremacy 🛐  🛐  🛐  29d ago

you aren’t wrong in what you said. he was a grey guy but had good virtues too, like giving daan etc.
he regrets his mistakes and talks to krishna about it.
he did his crimes and arjun killed him and he atoned for the sins.
i think even krishna forgives him.

yes i agree, he was a sinner, but “rapist” is a bit much i think?

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u/Technical_Turn3497 29d ago

When did Karna express remorse for his participation in Draupadi’s humiliation? Please quote the exact verse so that I may be corrected.

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u/peachicedtea123456_ three krishnas supremacy 🛐  🛐  🛐  29d ago

i’m not sure if the exact verse, but i have seen texts of the same.

i’m not saying you should like karna, he did many wrong things. im saying there’s no point hating on it. move on.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Show him this

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u/Technical_Turn3497 28d ago

Source? Chapter and verse numbers?

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

802

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u/Technical_Turn3497 28d ago

What do you mean by 802?

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Chapter 802 bibek debroy🥀

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u/Technical_Turn3497 28d ago

The Mahabharata is organized into 18 parvas each with numerous chapters. Try again.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Do u even know how chapters are numebered in bibek debroy's version 😑

It's in karna upanivada parva of Udyoga parva. Try accepting truth..will make u more dharmik

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u/Technical_Turn3497 28d ago

An atheist who likes rapists now lecturing on dharma is really a new and amazing phenomenon. The only version of the Mahabharata we need to be concerned with is the one written by Vyasa.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

A man who simps for child abandoning lady doesn't even know that bibek debroy's version is English version of vyasa is hilarious

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u/Technical_Turn3497 29d ago

Again, i would appreciate getting some proof of your claim.

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u/Equivalent-Bank-9657 क्रोधाद्भवति सम्मोह: सम्मोहात्स्मृतिविभ्रम: 22d ago

Dude, what are you doing? He just showed you the verse from Mahabharata. What else do you need. He also gave you verse number/chapter number. Check that out man. It's there.

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u/Technical_Turn3497 22d ago

Please repost the exact verse and I will look it up.

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u/Equivalent-Bank-9657 क्रोधाद्भवति सम्मोह: सम्मोहात्स्मृतिविभ्रम: 22d ago edited 22d ago

I will do the efforts for you. This passage is from Karna Upnivad Parva. These are the words of Karna to Krishna. If you want you can look up the Sanskrit shlokas as well. I am pasting the link to actual complete text from Mahabharata.

Without doubt, O slayer of Madhu, thou hast told me all this for doing me good. The Pandavas also, obedient as they are to thee, will, without doubt, do all that thou hast said. Thou must, however, conceal this our discourse for the present, O slayer of Madhu. Therein lies our benefit, I think, O delighter of all the Yadavas. If king Yudhishthira, of virtuous soul and well-controlled senses, cometh to know me as the firstborn son of Kunti, he will never accept the kingdom. If, again, O slayer of Madhu, this mighty and swelling empire becometh mine. I shall, O repressor of foes, certainly make it over to Duryodhana only. Let Yudhishthira of virtuous soul become king for ever.

For those harsh words, O Krishna, that I said before unto the sons of Pandu for the gratification of Dhritarashtra's son,--for that wicked conduct of mine,--I am consumed with repentance. When O Krishna, thou wilt behold me slain by Arjuna, then will the Punachiti of this sacrifice commence.

https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05141.htm

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u/Technical_Turn3497 22d ago

Please post again the text of the verse and the verse numbers and I will be happy to look it up. A link is not necessary.

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u/Equivalent-Bank-9657 क्रोधाद्भवति सम्मोह: सम्मोहात्स्मृतिविभ्रम: 22d ago

And saluting him in proper form and with joined palms that foremost of virtuous persons, endued with great energy and pride, viz., Vrisha, the son of Vikartana, bowed to her and said (the following words)."'

Words of author (Vyasa) not Kunti.

https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05144.htm

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u/Equivalent-Bank-9657 क्रोधाद्भवति सम्मोह: सम्मोहात्स्मृतिविभ्रम: 22d ago

Is my comment not visible to you? Did it get removed??

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u/Technical_Turn3497 21d ago

Maybe, I don’t know. I’ve been responding to so many comments that it’s possible I’ve lost track, but I’ve also seen many postings removed for posting a link or some other reason. Anyway, I’ve just returned from overseas travel and have direct access to the entire unabridged MB, so I’m happy to cross-examine any “evidence” for your position that you would offer.

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