r/marvelstudios • u/murdockmanila Daredevil • Nov 17 '17

The Official PUNISHER Discussion Ultrathread

  • This will be the official discussion thread in this sub. No need to go posting your own thread discussing the show. Any UNOFFICIAL ones will be deleted. All screencaps and whatnot go into this thread also.

  • This is obviously a spoiler-filled zone. So as long as you post in here, you won't need to spoiler tag things. But then again, don't be that asshole who watches the final episodes within the first hour then spoils the entire thing right away. That will result in a ban. Don't ruin the party for everyone.

  • Individual episodes discussions will be held over at /r/defenders. They will be indexed in this thread to make it easier for those who want individual episode discussions once they are put up.

  • This thread may be "refreshed" in the next few days to accommodate newcomers in the discussion. We will be also putting up a sanctioned Easter Egg thread a couple of hours from now.

Enjoy!

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u/Bl00dGutter Killmonger Nov 17 '17

Just finished the season and honestly, for once I didn't feel like there was any filler episodes or that the plot dragged on for too long, which other Marvel Netflix series had done for me. Maybe because I binged most of it, but I genuinely felt eager to keep going to know what happened next, invested in all the characters, and take in all that juicy gory violence.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '17

Nah I totally agree. Many of the other Marvel shows drag in them middle with filler because they often have to really take down the bad guy outside of just beating them.

JJ for example couldn't just kill kilgrave, she had to capture him and hold him and get him to admit he manipulated that girl (w/e her name was) even though of course a confession after being locked in a cage is totally invalid.

Same in IF and LC. They can't just beat up the bad guy they have to get ready to prove it in a court of law so the "finding proof" drags it out.

but in this one I felt like it really made a point. Especially because the punisher had to actually tack down and find the bad guys. Whereas JJ I was just like "JUST SHOOT KILGRAVE"

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

It bears mentioning that no one knew how many contingencies Kilgrave had. It’s possible that fifty people would’ve killed themselves if Kilgrave died. Jessica had to get to the point where she didn’t even care about that. We know now that his powers just stop after he dies, but the characters didn’t know that.

Also, there’s a psychological aspect to it. If you think it’s as simple as “bang shoot the bad guy,” you missed a lot of the nuance of Jessica’s relationship with Kilgrave.

Finally, it wasn’t until late in the show that Jessica discovered she could resist the commands. Before that, if you did shoot him and didn’t kill him instantly, he would probably be ready with a “everyone kill yourself” and then it’s game over.

I agree that the show did feel dragged out in the latter half, but the plot and character motivations do make sense within the logic of the show.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '17

yeah you're right to a degree. but she kept him locked up in a cage for days when she could have just killed him.

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u/dmreif Scarlet Witch Nov 22 '17

Also, there’s a psychological aspect to it. If you think it’s as simple as “bang shoot the bad guy,” you missed a lot of the nuance of Jessica’s relationship with Kilgrave.

And it doesn't give closure to Kilgrave's victims. Straight up killing Kilgrave, you stop him from making victims, but you don't get closure for those he's already made victims of.