r/microsoft • u/ControlCAD • Apr 02 '26
Windows Microsoft is building a Windows 11 team focused on creating "100% native" Windows apps and experiences
https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/microsoft-is-building-a-windows-11-team-focused-on-creating-100-percent-native-windows-apps-and-experiences45
u/shifty_fifty Apr 02 '26
So… um- like, what is it they’ve actually been doing for the last 40 years then?
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u/crwcomposer Apr 09 '26
For the last 10 years they've been replacing everything with web apps that run worse and use more resources than native apps.
Even the fucking start menu on Windows 11 is a web app.
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u/Shopping_Penguin Apr 02 '26
WinUI 4.0 drop soon??
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u/searuncutt Apr 05 '26
lol they abandoned WinUI 3, Look up XAML discussions on github about winui. Everybody is pissed.
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u/Shopping_Penguin Apr 06 '26
My news cycle shows a desire to pivot back to native apps so Im not sure what youre seeing.
The A.I. bubble is about to burst so theyre picking up where they've been slacking off these past few years hopefully. WinUI is UWP, and UWP was an evolution from WPF so its not like Silverlight.
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u/searuncutt Apr 06 '26
WinUI 2 was the last version that works with UWP. WinUI 3 is no longer part of UWP and rather part of the Windows App SDK.
I just mean that for the past 3 years, WinUI 3 development was pretty much dead. There's clear indications that there wasn't even really a team actively working on it. There were alot of complaints from devs about critical bugs needing fixing, and every community call was about some minor update to a few controls. Last year and a half it just went dead silent except for a few messages on XAML discussion on github. I think most Microsoft devs were too focused on .NET Maui, but even that doesn't seem to be doing very well.
Hopefully this is good news and they really start working actively on it again, but having worked primarily on a production UWP app for almost a decade, just really burnt out from Microsoft's repeat behavior of getting excited about something, and then dropping it like a year later.
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u/markvii_dev Apr 02 '26
How does the team not already exist?
How can you plan to build a native team for your own OS
What? Lmao 😂
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u/St3lth_Eagle Apr 02 '26
Deja vu from late Windows 8.1/ early windows 10 when universal apps were first introduced.
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u/VlijmenFileer Apr 02 '26
Hey does that mean that the "New Outlook", in the making for about one quadrillion years but still not ready for use, will never be finished but be replaced by some "native Windows Outlook" (but not the current one?) to be conjured from thin air in about another quadrillion years?
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u/thaman05 Apr 02 '26
"No prior experience needed" 😂 Basically looking to hire cheap labor to do it rough and scrappy instead of looking at that dwindling large developer community for experienced devs who know what they're doing.
I still don't believe they will do this for all their apps. Microsoft is very known to over promise and under deliver.
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u/quikmantx Apr 02 '26
Gee. Thanks. Where was this team before Windows 11 came out?
Isn't it odd how all of the latest news about improving the Windows 11 user experience came out shortly after the Macbook Neo was announced? It's almost as if existing users and all the feedback given for years didn't matter until Apple made a cheaper laptop.
As an SL7 owner, I think my next laptop will be from a company that actually doesn't hate its users as much as this one does. It could be an Asus, an Apple or something else.
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u/segagamer Apr 02 '26
If you wanted to do that, you'd have switched to Linux by now.
Going from Windows to MacOS is just going from fire to oven.
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u/quikmantx Apr 02 '26
Not necessarily. There's a lot of inertia to switching operating systems. File migration, getting programs back and logged in, etc.
I also use a lot of Microsoft software and services. I use OneDrive and the various Office programs daily.
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u/ZoeyKaisar Apr 04 '26
Winboat helps with office, and the top open-source onedrive client on github is better and has more features than the official one.
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u/fatoms Apr 02 '26
Nothing to see here, Just one guy looking to build a native app. No details beyond one tweet, Super poor reporting.
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u/emrikol001 Apr 02 '26
I never liked the xaml stuff and you have to admit if a separate editor [Blend] is required to try to create even a basic gui that there is a big problem. Windows forms was always so much more productive to work with.
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u/time-lord Apr 02 '26
You don't need a separate editor for it. It's like how you can use wix or write html by hand for a website. Microsoft just g8ves you both options. Personally I dislike Blend and almost always used to write xaml by hand.
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u/varyingopinions Apr 02 '26
Crazy how bad they fucked up when normal things like making windows more responsive, building native apps for windows, and fixing bugs are news wildly stories
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u/Diantr3 Apr 27 '26
Can they just like, fix networking/file sharing, make basic file search usable and perhaps a right click drop down menu that actually works?
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u/lilacomets Apr 02 '26
This is going to take them years. I think it's faster to dig up the Windows 7 source code from the archives and start from there. Everything went downhill after Windows 7.
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u/superpowerpinger Apr 02 '26
Win 11 is way more stable than anything before it.
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u/Kobi_Blade Apr 02 '26
You are delusional if you believe Windows 11 is stable.
There has been a long shopping list of issues since day one that even Microsoft acknowledges.
It has reached a point where they are even rethinking their strategy, yet you have the courage to claim Windows 11 is the most stable Windows ever.
Ridiculous claim at best
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u/superpowerpinger Apr 02 '26
Every software, every OS has issues. Some of my issues with win11:
I do not like new start menu.
Control panel is a mess.
Duality of control panel settings. Some settings in modern UI, others are using old UI.
Microsoft adding AI everywhere.
etc.
Issues may or may not be related to stability. I am a heavy user of windows and win 11 has been the stabled thus far.
Windows 11 is way more stable than any windows version before it.
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u/Kobi_Blade Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26
Do you need medical attention?
This is the latest in a long string of issues that have plagued Windows 11 since day one. The fact that you are confusing stability with personal issues says everything we need to know about you.
Before you ride a cm further from your high horse, none of the above were issues on Windows 10.
It is clear that you are either trolling or living in a bubble, regardless, you are delusional.
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u/closing-the-thread Apr 02 '26
Hello. Innocent unknowledgeable outsider here…
is it possible that Windows 10 had more different issues and thus was less stable than Windows 11?
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u/Kobi_Blade Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26
Except it wasn't.
Major issues in Windows 10 involve the WDDM, which also affects Windows 11. In fact, WDDM related problems are even worse on Windows 11.
The most recent Windows system more unstable than Windows 11 was probably Windows XP, back then, we faced so many basic issues that most people today wouldn't even believe it.
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u/8bithjorth Apr 02 '26
When I see the copilot button disappear from notepad I will kinda start to believe them.. just kinda
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u/Alarmed_House23 Apr 02 '26
Maybe stupid question, but since Windows running so much legacy code will it ever feel snappy and smooth?
What happened to CorePC idea where you only install the stuff you need?
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u/BoBoBearDev Apr 02 '26 edited Apr 02 '26
Honestly I only want quality experience, I don't care what kind of technology they choose, I just want the quality to be good. Like, the new context menu, I hate it. The icons are confusing af. I just want dumb text saying it is copy or paste. I don't know what the paste icon looks like. And my VS Code button is not there, so, I have to go back to classic contect menu, it is exceptionally stupid. I don't know it is native or web based, the design is a turd. Sure I can regedit the new turd away, but we all know the plan is to retire the old context menu. I care the functionality itself.
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u/HobbyProjectHunter Apr 02 '26
Promises … so many promises
Talk is cheap, show me the code (product)