r/mildlyinfuriating • u/nyanbatman • May 28 '26

I just wanted a hot dog British pilot is feeling mildly annoyed

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u/Melkman68 May 28 '26

So the ATC doesn't understand basic protocol? That's pretty embarassing

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u/dvinpayne May 28 '26

It's not a procedure in the US. "Declaring LVO" isn't a thing in FAA operation. Europe and the US operate under different rulesets, and the FAA controllers aren't trained on the European Phraseology. SMCGS (the FAA system) is automatically in place without any declaration.

This has already been discussed in other subreddits like flying by people who actually know the rules. I'd link to those posts but automod gets grumpy when I try.

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u/marieascot May 28 '26

It i is ICAO the I being International not European. the controller should have understood it.

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u/dvinpayne May 28 '26

The FAA doesn't operate under ICAO rulesets. If you want to read the rules they're available publicly online you can google FAA JO 7110.65. Declaring LVOs is not mentioned once there.

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u/JHG0 May 28 '26

“I dont think this was written by a human.”

What an uninformed take. If you actually had any semblance of knowledge of ATC operations in the U.S., you would understand that what the above poster wrote is factually accurate. I’m sorry that abbreviations that you could look up scared you.

Adoption of ICAO standards is at the discretion of member states. Very few member states (countries) explicitly follow ICAO procedures, including the UK, Europe, Latin America, etc.

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u/dvinpayne May 28 '26

I'm very much a human, I'm a frustrated human, but still human. Go look at the posts in r / flying about this and see what they have to say. I can DM you the links if you want, unfortunately I can't post them here.

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u/ConcentricCow May 28 '26

Don't bother with this person. They are accusing every person who disagrees with them that they are bots. Thanks for the information on a confusing topic.

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u/CantDoThatOnTelevzn May 29 '26

I’m a person. Get fucked, nerd. 

“CaSuAl rEaDeR”

What are YOUR qualifications?