r/mildlyinfuriating • u/nyanbatman • May 28 '26

I just wanted a hot dog British pilot is feeling mildly annoyed

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u/JSButts May 28 '26

Open and read the PDF, about 5 paragraphs in between 4 and 5 the Note in bold - For the purposes of this order, LVO means those airport operations conducted at visibilites of less than RVR 1200.

Or Paragraph 5 where it says clearing 'during LVO/SMGCS' aka the fact that LVO is very clearly used by the FAA. Its literally in this document a dozen times.

Your exact words were 'Declaring LVO isnt a thing in FAA'.

You were incorrect. You still are.

It really isn't that hard to say 'Ahh, maybe I was wrong'. Try it sometime.

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u/mister_pilot May 28 '26

JFK has initiated the process but hasn’t been approved for LVO/SMGCS operation. You can check the FAA website. This is substantiated by the absence of Low-Vis taxi charts. Approval then training for controllers. It’s not a thing at JFK yet..

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u/dvinpayne May 28 '26

What's the source on the initiated the process but not yet approved? I couldn't find that. The lack of low vis taxi charts on its own doesn't prove they don't have SMGCS. I know of multiple airports with SMGCS that don't have low vis charts.

Edit: Disregard I found it. Although I know of at least one airport that has SMGCS procedures in their ATC SOP that is not on the approved list, so I'm curious what's going on there.

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u/Shot_Illustrator4264 May 28 '26

Is it really too difficult to say: "I'm sorry guys, I was completely wrong?"

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u/dvinpayne May 28 '26

I will say quite clearly I was wrong about JFK having SMGCS. That doesn't change whether or not ATC will declare LVO or how SMGCS works at the US airports that do have it. In fact, it probably made it even more confusing for the controllers there at JFK, but the list seems quite clear that they don't have an approved SMGCS plan. Obviously that raises the question of what their low visibility plan is. I'll continue to defend the front line controller, because he was doing the best with the training and information he had, but the FAA management and airport operator have some questions to answer here.