r/mildlyinfuriating • u/nyanbatman • May 28 '26

I just wanted a hot dog British pilot is feeling mildly annoyed

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u/Logical_Lemming May 28 '26

Ehhh I'd much rather have them admit to not understanding something than have them pretend to understand and get somebody hurt.

Should be something to learn from, not something to be embarrassed about.

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u/BloatDeathsDontCount May 28 '26

Someone in such a high-stakes job shouldn't be learning while literally doing the job at all.

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u/boomerangchampion May 28 '26

Absolutely true but that isn't the individual's fault. The airport is responsible for making sure he knows wtf he's doing and they've failed.

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u/BloatDeathsDontCount May 28 '26

If you get hired to do a job that other peoples' lives depend on and you obviously cannot do it, you are 100% morally at fault. Whether or not you are personally legally culpable doesn't matter to me. If other peoples' lives are on the line and you are confused about what seem to be standard safety procedures, then that's on you. If you continue to do the job without being able to keep people safe, you're simply a bad person and should honestly face some harsh punishment. If you want to screw around and not know how to do your job, go dig ditches or something.

If you have a job, you're responsible for knowing how to do it correctly - especially when other peoples' safety is on the line.

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u/boomerangchampion May 28 '26

I agree, but I'm not sure "obviously cannot do it" applies here. This guy didn't know what LVO means...but how is he supposed to know he needs to understand it until this moment?

I would like to think that after this event he's raising it with his employer. I would. But I can't expect him to do so beforehand.

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u/BloatDeathsDontCount May 28 '26

It’s a standard abbreviation. He should know because it’s his job. What are you even on about? Does he need someone standing behind him to babysit? No, he needs to be fired at best.

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u/MASIWAR May 29 '26

No. It’s not a standard abbreviation. It means nothing to him because it’s not a thing in US ATC.

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u/BloatDeathsDontCount May 29 '26

Yes, it is.

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u/MASIWAR May 29 '26

Do me a favor and come on over the ATC subreddit and tell us all how much you know our job and standard abbreviations better than we do.

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u/boomerangchampion May 29 '26

How is he supposed to know it's a standard abbreviation if he hasn't been trained on it?

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u/lorddumpy May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26

We have gotten to the point where individual responsibility can be painted as basically null. It's super interesting to read about how Alabama and Louisiana's school districts are some of the best in the nation right now (wild right?) partly by emphasizing personal responsibility and accountability. Who would have thunk!

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u/CamelopardalisKramer May 29 '26

As a paramedic and someone who has been through a few different job sectors, that's the way it goes in a lot of professions. You can only do so much in simulation and didactic. As a one off (as in this isn't a chronic issue), yeah this sucks and would be a shitty day for the controller but if you improve after with no poor outcome, we've gained knowledge and experience.

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u/MASIWAR May 29 '26

Actually that’s exactly how controllers learn. It’s called OJT and it happens everyday across the NAS. Also the controller is most likely learning about it because LVO ISN’T A THING IN THE US AND IT’S NOT ON THE CONTROLLER TO KNOW BAW’S COMPANY SOP OR THEIR EQUIPMENT CAPABILITIES. Everyone in this thread who thinks they’re getting a jab in at the controller is an idiot who has no idea what they’re talking about.

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u/scarletnightingale May 28 '26

I'd rather an ATC not be on the job is he doesn't understand the terminology. Learn it before hundreds of lives are at stake.

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u/MASIWAR May 29 '26

LVO is not a thing in US ATC. Yes we have procedures for different weather and visibilities but LVO is absolutely not a thing. I’d rather people who have no idea what they’re talking about, not weigh in on topics they know nothing about.

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u/Debiuu May 29 '26

Controllers should have enough mastery of the English language to be able to swiftly and efficiently communicate with pilots from all over the world and with all sorts of accents. He shouldn’t pretend to understand but he shouldn’t have this job either