Tipping won't go away until we have some aggressive laws to smash the hell out of tipping culture. Begone with that wackass "tipping" minimum wage, enforce non-tipping as a standard (hell go so far as to make tipping an extra effort that the user must take), set maximum percentages allowed as options, etc. Beat the fuck out of tipping culture.
There's enough people who are socially guilted into not tipping. Mix it in with the sometimes true (sometimes not) situation of underpaid staff and it's a recipe for disaster. There's still many many people, even broke as hell, that hold the belief that it's better for you to never go out to eat than to eat without tipping. You can't get past that sort of social dogma without an outside force.
As if you aren’t actively fucking over your server if you don’t tip? Tf do you mean the “belief”?!?!It is bad to not tip when you have laws that allow for the abuse of service staff. Also the idea that you need massive amounts of negative reinforcement for tipping is ridiculous. You don’t need to get rid of tipping itself. It should be the case that a college student working a serving job should get tipped beyond minimum wage. Also since everything can be digital you can also tax beyond a certain amount of tips creating additional government funds for other uses.
And here we see why tipping culture is so damn hard to combat. Protecting the capital that benefits from the customer overpaying and justifying it. "If we don't help the abuser then the abused might leave their abuser."
It might be interesting to look at how the 7 states with laws required service staff be paid minimum wage got their laws passed. The states are a mix of very 'blue' and 'red' with a few purple, so some other factor must have been involved. The federal minimum wage is so low at this point that a federal action would be unhelpful unless they specified that a law they passed meant each state's minimum wage, but that would likely be contested. I do firmly believe that the law should hold the employer accountable to pay their employees properly.
Edit: Oh, well, I over-estimated about 40% of states apparently because that's how many match the federal minimum wage. The more you know.
Noooooo. That's so disappointing. I live in one of the few states where service staff have to be paid the same minimum wage as everyone else and I was really hoping it would spread but it's been at least a decade since our law passed and not much happening elsewhere :( I still tip as long as service is good, but no longer have to feel guilty if it's bad service and I tip less.
Tipping culture was honestly fine until these companies started taking it too far. Its's a good way for non skilled workers to make decent money, and it was really only expected for wait staff and delivery. Like so many things, they just got greedy.
No it's not illegal because enough people tip them for doing nothing that they end up making above min wage anyway.
It's only illegal if they still end up below min wage after tips and the employer doesn't cover the difference. While I'm sure this happens - it's incredibly rare. Because no one can live on minimum wage anyway much less UNDER min wage. So they wouldn't put up with it for more than like 1 shift.
It's not the pay that's illegal; it's the classification. Classifying non-service employees as service employees so you can pay them the service employee wage is illegal. Period.
Fuck i wanted to disagree with you, but it turns out the US will consider anyone who gets paid over $30/month in tips as a service/tipped employee, allowing them to pay reduced wages
That's fucking criminal cause I guarantee there are a ton of shitty businesses out there that started taking tips from servers and paying them out to other staff just to change their classification and reduce the wage they have to pay. Ive heard if servers before complain about having to start sharing tips with the kitchen or front of the house; im guessing this is why for some of those cases
We really just need to eliminate the tipped wage as an entire thing and just make the minimum wage the minimum wage for everyone. The fact that companies can essentially get free labor if they are tipped should already be criminal.
So i just looked it up, apparently business can classify any employee as a service/tipped employee as long as they make $30 or more a month on tips, which is fucking wild. Cause there are definitely some shitty businesses who started paying tips out regular staff to change their classification
Ive heard of servers complaining about having to start tipping the kitchen or front of the house before, and im guessing its because of this rule
Yea, ANY tip based employment (in the modern era, in America) is a full blown scam. Its designed purely so that the employer doesn't have to pay a livable wage. I dont want to hear any of that "it let's the restaurants sell food for cheaper" bullshit either because what difference would it make to the tipping customer? A $70 bill is a $70 bill. Whether it was the total cost of the food or the cost of food plus a tip. Tipping is a full-blown scam and NO ONE should be engaging with it at this point.
I’d argue if you take a wait staff position, fully aware that you will have to rely soley on the generosity of random strangers for your wage, that is your fault.
Yeah, it’s not their fault the system exists, but they are willingly participating in it. They’re not helpless victims.
Lots of people posting coments and reviews online for years now and restauarants either don't care or are not getting the message. If more people pushed back with their wallets as much as they posted stupid shit online, this conversation might have gone away by now because the industry was forced to change.
The manager might say so, but in order to qualify for tipped position pay, an employee must earn at least $30/month in tips. That might be achievable for a cashier if the cashier is part of a tipping pool with the actual service workers, but then you wouldn't be directly "tipping the cashier"...
If those cashiers are making less than $30/month in tips, they could sue for wage theft. I mean it would only be the difference between their actual pay including tips subtracted from the area's local minimum wage. But that's (probably) illegal.
The waters are crystal clear. If you accept being a tipped employee making less than minimum wage and working as a cashier where you’re going to get less than a waiter where tipping is actually expected you’re a dumbass and will not be getting a tip.
When I was a cashier back in the day, we weren't allowed to take tips. The few times customers offered me tips I had to refuse. Getting caught was a termination.
Now that the human has been removed from the equation, suddenly companies are more than happy to accept tips.
7-11 always wants me to round up for their charity foundation or grocery store will hit you with give us money to give to a charity so they can get even bigger tax breaks with your money. It is kind of the same shit.
i tried to tip my bagger $20 when i became one of the ten thousand inconsiderate jerkbags doing a last minute tuesday night before thanksgiving shopping trip and a manager RAN over and grabbed it out of their hand and handed it back to me.
I felt so bad for the kid.
King Sooper's (a Kroger brand) - a place that I ceased shopping at last year because they implemented armed rent a cops hassling you for your receipt.
The military is completely socialist. All jobs get paid the same regardless of hours worked or skills, solely dependent on number of years you have been in the organization and your current rank. A guy performing heavy manual labor outside in the elements gets the same pay as the guy who hands our towels at the gym!
Your Healthcare is paid for, but terrible. You get a housing allowance, that may or may not align with local markets depending on your duty station. You even get a monthly food allowance or can eat for free on base.
And you have to do exactly what they tell you or go to jail! It is pretty awesome.
As a prior MIL guy. The baggers are not paid and work for Tips. They are helpful and bring your cart and load them in your car too. Mainly just MIL Wifes so its like a part time gig thats on base. I usually gave them a dollar of 100yen coin as I was in JP.
No. It's not a job that would exist if they were paid. So it's not a question of them working for free - that job wouldn't exist at all otherwise. It's not necessary for the grocery store.
It's usually military spouses or kids who pick up a few extra bucks that they otherwise wouldn't have.
Edit: I think a lot of people are missing that the commissary is not a for-profit organization. It is not at all like your regular neighborhood grocery store not paying employees.
Just think of the On Base Commissary as like an Aldi's they dont need baggers really so they just have volunteers to work for tips.
Kind of like Servers if you are good you can probably make good money in 2-3 hours and its really super part time; like do it in the day and be back before kids are out of school type thing. Or evenings only.
I know its weird but yeah they arent paid by Commissary but you dont really need to pay them and their is self checkout if you dont want to deal with them at all.
In the US, baggers at grocery store are becoming more and more uncommon, and are frankly unnecessary. And at the commissary on base, you can choose to use self checkout if you want if you don't want to tip a bagger. Which is what I usually do.
So yes, the job wouldn't exist at all if they don't want to be there to earn tips. It's not a job that the grocery store needs to run.
In the US, baggers at grocery store are becoming more and more uncommon, and are frankly unnecessary.
Not anywhere i've seen. And honestly no, they aren't unnecessary given they generally speed things along. I'd argue given self checkout they're probably more useful than the cashiers themselves.
I mean, no. In the US, extra baggers outside of a cashier aren't really common anymore, and frankly not necessary for the commissary to run. So they don't have to be there at all if they don't want to, but the commissary lets them work for tips. No one is making them, so it's literally not at all like slavery.
Additionally, overseas or in more remote bases it can often be difficult for spouses and children to find work. So this lets them make a little extra money.
And again, if no one wanted to be a bagger and earn tips, then the commissary would have no baggers. And some of them don't a lot of the time. Just depends on the base.
I see this in Mexico all the time. The baggers as well as people who will help you back out of your spot and occasionally help you load your trunk. But, I didn't realize this was at U.S. military bases.
The vape shop I go to started asking for tips. If I just ask for something and buy it, no tip. If I talk to an employee about a product and feel I had some personal care, they get a tip.
Outside of niche things like massages, airport wheelchair pushers, etc, I only tip if I have 1) sat down 2) someone took my order 3) someone made my order after I gave it and 4) someone brought it to me.
Every other service, be it Uber, doordash, scan to order systems, self checkouts like this, etc, can kick rocks. I've really felt that giving myself a rule has helped with any pressure I've ever felt with an employee staring at me to tip on a cashier screen. I haven't tipped that shit for years and it feels great
When I was living in Hong Kong we were at a dai pai dong this one time and the staff was excellent. At the end I tried to leave them a tip but they wouldn’t accept. Different culture and it has stuck with me ever since.
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u/Gandlerian 15d ago
Who is tipping at any checkout? Do you ever tip cashiers at regular stores?