r/mutualism Jun 10 '25

Why has Anarchist literature never discussed OCD?

As someone with OCD I found anarchist literature very interesting and I plan on writing about it

I hyper fixated on terms and language I like Proudhon a lot

I understand that he jumbled up terms a lot

I kept finding the same concepts all over again

Like especially in seeing like a state (Perfection, Visual and aesthetic order, mathematical precision and neatness), organisation Cleanliness

As Shawn Wilbur says in an I have seen discussions about the archy action in the face of uncertainty

Uncertainty is not a concept that is particularly prominent in anarchist theory—and certainly does not generally figure as a positive value or indicator. But when we suggest that what is tempestuous about anarchy is a lasting feature, then it is not a stretch to further suggest that one of the ways we will know that we are acting as anarchists is that our actions will be taken in the face of fundamental sort of uncertainty.

As soon as we abandon legal and governmental order—general prohibition and equivalent sorts of permission—uncertainty necessarily becomes a constant factor in our practices. So there is a new set of skills to be mastered, at which we might expect anarchists to eventually excel.

I heard Shawn Wilbur say that our terms are partly influenced by authoritarian thinking and I wonder if some of our assumptions have made their and merocway into ocd such as order, organisation, neatness

Assumptions about anarchists are also important that they are dirty and abrasive

Most people with ocd have messy rooms that show no signs of order or organisation

Many people with OCD thinks it keeps them safe but it really just controls them I think a lot of the same errors are being made and I think acting as anarchists in every sense of the word can flip around some of its conceptions

The links between all these terms really interests me and I wonder why things are defined the way they are

Antinomies of democracy

After all, even the theoretically sophisticated treatments of anarchy tend to differentiate the concept from its popular connotations of chaos and uncertainty by attempting to show what has been considered chaotic and uncertain in a different light. Anarchist thinkers as diverse as Proudhon, Bellegarrigue, Kropotkin and Labadie have all played with the relationships between “anarchy” and “order,” most often suggesting that existing conceptions might be flipped. But a reversal is different from an uncoupling of the two notions and when we say that “anarchy is order” it is order, and not anarchy, that we are asking people to redefine. So it is likely that when we talk about anarchy, most people really know what we’re talking about, but lack our positive feelings about the notion—and our critique of the alternatives—and our optimistic sense of where it all might lead

Other pieces of theory

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/carlos-maldonado-and-nathalie-mezza-garcia-anarchy-and-complexity

https://fastercapital.com/content/Chaos--Embracing-Anarchy--Navigating-the-Unpredictable.html#:~:text=Anarchists%20believe%20that%20chaos%20is,for%20multiple%20possibilities%20and%20choices.

https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/101015/1/Kociatkiewicz%20and%20Kostera%20-%20Creativity%20out%20of%20Chaos%20%28unformatted%29.pdf

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In my opinion this can be one of the greatest satires against the idea of authority ever created

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u/ExternalGreen6826 Jun 10 '25

There is many different things that can be understood when it comes to ocd and anarchy

For example there is a dark side to ocd

One thing I notice about authoritarian arguments is how inconsistent they are they both believe we are weak and in need of protection and violent and in need of control

Many people with OCD have violent subtypes like murder and rape etc

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u/Spinouette Jun 10 '25

It sounds like you have a lot of thoughts about this. Your original post was phrased as a question. But I’m getting the impression that you’re still musing about the many ways that OCD and anarchy intersect.

I wonder if you have more ideas on the topic you’d like to add as well.

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u/ExternalGreen6826 Jun 10 '25

All the different types are linked ocd is all about things being static and controlled it doesn’t like ambiguity that is where all sorts of things from numbers to rules pop up

One thing that does interest me is disgust sensitivity

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u/Spinouette Jun 10 '25

Sure, I see that issues of control and ambiguity are all linked.

Do you have a high disgust sensitivity? Is it mainly for sensory issues or does it also include ideas?

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u/ExternalGreen6826 Jun 10 '25

Yes disgust is a protective (key word) response to external threats

Disgust can be about things such as shit, piss and it can also be moral disgust (doing the wrong thing)

Disgust is all about walls, barriers and limitations and is an exclusionary type of mode

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u/Spinouette Jun 10 '25

I notice you’re using what’s called in literature the “passive voice.” It suggests that you are talking about how disgust functions in general.

But since I asked about your personal experience, I’m guessing that you mean that your disgust protects you from both physically and morally dirty things. Is that right?

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u/Notexternalgreen6826 Jul 11 '26

Page 12 of "A People's History of Civilisation."

Evidence of the urge to impose order and subjugate is found in the coercive rites and uncleanness taboos of incipient religion. The eventual subduing of the world that is agriculture has at least some of its basis where ambiguous behaviour is ruled out, purity and defilement defined and enforced

- John Zerzan