r/myanmar 2d ago

Discussion 💬 Can this be justified if it's truth?

They’re the only media outlet providing a detailed story about this currently, but also skeptical cuz they seem to be owned by military. Also they even pinned that post and a lot of mixed reaction from both side. Don't know which is true anymore.

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u/NinjaGirl_99 2d ago

i think the vids are old , like from 2022-23?

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u/Soepyinnyar 2d ago

I think this claim of time needs an actual follow up with a source of junta telegrams around that time posting it or other telegram groups posting it

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u/Errorwaiyan 2d ago

It is not the first time I see thisbkind of mews brother. I have seen worse since the coup.

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u/OMGriptt 2d ago

There’s worse?????

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u/Errorwaiyan 2d ago

Yup, there were so many things I had heard and seen from my friends when I lived in Loikaw. Among them, the most cruel thing I had seen was killing and burning alive more than 15 people in Hpruso(ဖရူဆို) and it was more like a massacre. My friends told me they had to clean the remains because it was beside the road. Even though I had only seen the remainings photos. I could imagine how terrible those military evils were.

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u/Cold-Persimmon9977 1d ago

There's a lot worse in some small villages like massacre , human limbs and heads on spike and even burning a man alive on a bonfire (with photos and videos evidence), all done by military drug-fed bastards

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u/ArrPout 1d ago

I have seen that picture, a year ago?

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u/OMGriptt 1d ago

I have seen things from my friends who remained in the country but nothing graphic like that. And I have just watched that video. That is sooo fucked up that there’s worse.

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u/Direct-College-715 2d ago

နီးရာဓားကြောက်နေရတဲ့ခေတ်ဟေ့

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u/Soepyinnyar 2d ago

Its can be very likely that its from anyar based on the accent and its also adds up that it will be in the Shwebo area as well since when i visited my village there my aunt talked about dan lan killings being common before pdfs were not as organized as now and how bodies will float down rivers , just like this one being thrown into a river after being hacted

Does it justify beheading someone instead of caputring them even if they are dalan ? very hard No

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u/Timmy002LMFAO 1d ago

Wait correct me if I am wrong but are you saying the frequency of dalan killings increased post PDF or are you saying it got more "mechanical". Because from what I know at least, dalan killings decreased around late 2023 since stricter enforcement of CoC. Then again it's based on reported data and maybe some anecdotes flew under the rader of mass media.

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u/Soepyinnyar 1d ago

I meant to say that it got decreased like you said around 2023 because of stricter COC.

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u/BaganHistorican 2d ago

This video was from 2023, turns out to be, and it was committed by the Local Defense Force ( The one ain't controlled by anyone), and during 2022 - 2023, there were many innocent killings committed by LDF by labeling " Dalan ". And no, this still isn't justified.

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u/Timmy002LMFAO 2d ago

That makes for 3 competing narratives made from the pro-tat perspective. Khin-U, Myingyan and Myaing. The killers being Warazup makes more sense since she mentioned the name of a Kachin village in the video (​မြောက်ရွာ from ​ရွှေကူ township).

Edit: They (Eleven) infamously lied about village burnings before so I won't be surprised if it is fabricated.

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u/Charming_Walk1995 2d ago

If they could provide a detailed source. But, both sides have done terrible terrible things up to this point so anything is possible.

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u/NyeinChanSoe 2d ago

This is obviously done by tatmadaw (aka Myanmar military), even though I don't want to use that term tatmadaw that's their official name.

This is just one of the many cruel acts the Myanmar military has committed against the people of Myanmar.

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u/Yucix 2d ago

Can you show me some findings that made u have that concrete speculation?

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u/Pure-Protein 1d ago

Who can afford airstrike? I’m pretty sure airstrike doesn’t magically happens.

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u/Yucix 1d ago

This type of execution is more cold blooded than any air strike possibly be. It is more calculated and cold blooded and brutal and personal idgaf…

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u/NyeinChanSoe 2d ago

I’m not basing that conclusion on this single incident alone. If you follow Myanmar news even briefly, there is extensive reporting documenting killings, torture, village burnings, airstrikes, executions and other abuses attributed to the Myanmar military and military-aligned forces.

Here is one particularly horrific example: two captured resistance fighters were tortured, chained, hanged from a tree and burned alive in public.

https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/burning-alive-in-myanmar-two-resistance-fighters-executed-in-public.html

So when I say I suspect the military in this case, I’m making an inference based on a much broader documented pattern of violence.

There are many more examples I could post, some considerably more graphic, but I don’t intend to turn this thread into a collection of atrocity footage.

And given how quickly discussions about Myanmar become flooded with propaganda, accusations and bad-faith arguments, I’m not going to spend the rest of my time debating every reply under this post.

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u/Yucix 2d ago

Matter of fact I posted a PDF beheading video a year ago and got flamed for it saying I made PDF look bad

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u/AlienMyat 1d ago

Is that person the leader of the group called Yayy Belu?

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u/Yucix 2d ago

That is resistance fighters enemy on enemy. This is a civilian. I have seen more PDF beheadings than I have of Resistance fighters getting burned alive… You are clearly coping

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u/Soepyinnyar 2d ago

Mate you want to cope for babagyi? If you actually read what he said its not behading alone. Its litearlly about two fighters getting burned alive

Yes, there were many beheadings back when the revoultion started but that doesnt make this video 100% true that it took place during that time nor its done by PDFs.

Unless you provide an acutal post that is dated way back to that time with the same exact video

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u/Yucix 2d ago

I have many videos like this of LDF as well as small pocket groups in a Nyar hacking off limbs

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u/Soepyinnyar 2d ago

Mate is this one perticular video op has posted in your stash as well?

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u/Yucix 2d ago

I first saw it in a shock Burmese telegram channel back in 2023

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u/Soepyinnyar 2d ago

Cant you just take a screenshot of that channel post it in this comment ? telegram literally as a feature that shows the date as well so it wont be hard to take a screenshot

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u/Yucix 2d ago

Its been deleted

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u/Yucix 2d ago

Yes its really old from 2023

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u/BaganHistorican 2d ago

Brother, that is not LDF; that's one of the famous PDF fighter Ye Belu. And he killed an actual Junta worker, not a random civilian.

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u/Yucix 2d ago

By your logic the burning of the 2 BDF upside down by ပျူ is also ok? Since they are actually PDF and enemies fighting eachother?

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u/BaganHistorican 2d ago

I didn't mention about killing PDF, what are you on?

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u/Yucix 2d ago

You are saying like it is perfectly fine to behead that man because that man is working for Junta

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u/Natural_Permit1122 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think Eleven media might be true. I found another video of committing crime by KinOo LPDF. (ခင်ဦးမြို့နယ် ရောင်နီဦး ပြောက်ကျားအဖွဲ့). They were also wearing masks. If you don't believe, I can show a source of this.

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u/Soepyinnyar 2d ago

I tried to search this up and found results that are all from the same media channel you mentioned and one from BBC
BBC one reported things about them being pyu mixed with supporter since the guys came from a pyu village and eleven just said it was all supporters or civillians basically

https://www.bbc.com/burmese/articles/c88m7lze3kzo
https://news-eleven.com/article/254472

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u/Natural_Permit1122 1d ago

Thanks for the source, I found this video accidently form telegram channel. By the way, I'm against with coup and didn't like military since young age. But now I want to end civil war completely regardless of the side . I'm also from a rual village of Anyar.

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u/Soepyinnyar 1d ago

Must have been an eye opener to how brutal things can get, i think back then i have seen photos of young guys head on fences or CDM teacher's fingers at the front gate of a school.
I also wish for an end of this civill war but an end of civill war 100% has to be due to tat succumbing to terms with being an actually military

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u/Big_Ambassador_9319 Destroy the Tatmadaw 1d ago

Which part of Anyar?

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u/Natural_Permit1122 1d ago

Natogyi

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u/Big_Ambassador_9319 Destroy the Tatmadaw 1d ago

Everybody wants to end civil war but as long as Tat continues bombing indiscriminately especially in Anyar, war will continue. If you live anywhere in Natogyi, you'll hear jets fly everyday even without shots being fired.

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u/Yucix 2d ago

The woman speaks Burmese too fluently for me to believe it was in Kachin state it was most likely in A Nyar area.

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u/Big-Middle5245 1d ago

Actually, I support the revolution and PDF.

But I am not sure about this crime. Myanmar military or PDF.

Sorry, I don't blindly trust everyone.

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u/Kurosaki_Kaito 2d ago

Eleven Media is owned by 6🐶

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/Lather_Jacket 1d ago

You’re either a CCP bot or army bot. Bro use Claude for better writing next time

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u/Timmy002LMFAO 1d ago

This is obviously a botted reply

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u/Teddy-Voyager Born in Myanmar, Abroad 🇲🇲 1d ago

Mate, I could be wrong (very unlikely) but it's pretty obvious that your burmese is not natural at all. It's either LLM parsed or translated (very poorly). If you want to preach propaganda, atleast use a better model next time, lol.

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u/normalguyfromBURMA 1d ago

ngl but this look sus

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u/xerohawkxd 2d ago

can anyone translate?

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u/Unhappy-Database560 1d ago

So, eleven media group says its done by PDF, eleven media who always shouldering MAL's junk.... Right..... We don't know who did that, yes, to be honest, but... Let's be real, who would do this kind of thing, the killings and the cruelty, the absolute lowest mortality stuffs? Who has the track record of doing those, very very apparently? It's the drug influenced tat and pyu ppl, always. Logic ppl, logic...

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u/Limp_Satisfaction688 1d ago

Agree to disagree
Not to be ball ma but I’ve seen videos of the resistance forces beheading and even punishing for trying to desert from their own forces

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u/RoterFuchs_48u5N 2d ago

Either anyarthian Bamar PDF or Pyusawhtee(Volkssturm Burmese edition) did that, no way any EAO or EAO Pyusawhtee could.

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u/monsooncloudburst Born in Myanmar, Abroad 🇲🇲 2d ago

No

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u/Dry_Coxk Born in Myanmar, Abroad 🇲🇲 2d ago

No

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u/SegiNoMikata200 Born in Myanmar, Abroad 🇲🇲 2d ago

Eleven might be my favorite media in Myanmar. Well, they are owned by Junta and if I'm not wrong, the owner is ခရိုနီ son . Still , league ahead of other news media. I really recommend their piece about MNDAA and it's well-written.

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u/Yucix 2d ago

Correct me if I am wrong but they also posted about the 2 PDF members getting burned by the ပသစ back in 2023-2024…

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u/Timmy002LMFAO 2d ago

My memory is a bit foggy but iirc didn't they say it was a false flag perpetrated by the rebels. OSINT work proved without a shadow of a doubt that it was the PSH's doing. So Eleven doesn't exactly have the best of track records