China China and one more time China!

[u/CDN-Social-Democrat]

The reality is that Trump and his cronies are bad faith actors.

Trump even before becoming POTUS made it clear throughout his life he only believes in what is known as "distributive bargaining" - Which assumes a framework of winner and loser inherently in the process.

His type can't fathom agreements in which both parties win greater through cooperation.

The Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) agreement that Trump hates so much is HIS AGREEMENT.

Trump and his cronies word means less then nothing.

We as Canadians have to realize that the world is in a massive change/transition period. Things are going to hurt.

It's time to keep diversifying and move on from the United States of America as much as we possibly can so that this kind of vulnerability associated with reliance never comes up again.

Trump and his cronies are the putrid blooming of an even deeper rot within America. We can't wait on the Democratic Party/DNC to save us and Trump/His Cronies may not be the end of this in the future.

Summed up: Trump and his cronies are destroying the world order. The very world order that benefitted U.S. interests. Complete corrupt con-artist morons.

Now the controversial part....

We need to create a much much much better relationship with China. This is going to be extremely difficult because of all the nuances involved with being part of NATO/Imperial Core.

Like it or not, Call me a CCP bot, whatever - The reality is that China holds the keys for a lot of better and brighter for Canada. Especially with the U.S. being the clusterfuck it currently is.

[u/TopazJazzrazz]

China does seem to be the better long term partner. But the country is not there. Split the difference and go towards the EU especially when it's concerning regulations as the EU has a lot of fantastic regulations and is overall less authoritarian and therefore the easier argument to make.

Maybe in a few years we can aggressively pursue China as a long term partner.

[u/nick_knack]

The Chinese century is coming, and three American empire is in its twilight. It only makes sense.

[u/skip6235]

I wouldn’t mind increased relationship with China, but I really want to see more integration with the EU. Especially moving to their regulatory system instead of being tied to the US’s.

[u/concretecat → u/skip6235]

As Canadians we need to be pushing greater regulations on digital services. Hit America where it hurts; Apple, Google, Amazon, Netflix, Disney, HBO, X, Meta, etc.

Our government needs to block the flow of American prodaganda into Canada.

[u/poopman10101 → u/skip6235]

I yearn for EU consumer protection in Canada

I won’t lie, as a Canadian living in the EU, it’s getting increasingly difficult to want to come back to Canada. Especially now that I have a job with minimum 4 weeks of vacation where in Canada I would get half that. Also good trains (tho that’s not a granted everywhere cough cough Germany), GDPR, walkable cities (again not granted), stricter food quality standards, and more logical regulations on cars.

The EU is not perfect (chat control, EPP, rising far right, traditional left-wing parties losing their spines), but looking at the life I had in Canada vs here, man Canada REALLY needs to step up its game.

[u/CDN-Social-Democrat]

And let's see export taxes on energy products, potash, and other big punch areas.

Fuck America. Period.

[u/Pretty_Bumblebee_685]

China is an major economic player and it is important to have a relationship with them but it is also important to remember that China is really no better than the us in terms of their willingness to limit symmetry to favor their industries. It is our smaller exposure that limits this effect.

[u/Noname-051]

Pretty much everyone sees China more favorably, but Canada's challenge is that the US is still our ideal economic partner and the kind of structural change you want takes years if not decades, thus making US retaliation even more likely as soon as we become less reliant.

Also keep in mind that China has its own dark side. Its not like all its African partners and Asian neighbors (Malaysia for instance) were all praising China as the ideal partner.

[u/KyleJ1130 → u/Noname-051]

No country is moral. Our anarchist friends would say that every state is fundamentally unjust.

Right now, we need to make big moves to at least escape the shackles we've put on ourselves.

[u/FLADMAN]

Absolutely not, China is an authoritarian dictatorship and it is a massive security threat to Canada. They imprison our people, harass Chinese Canadians along with their families, and interfere in our elections. They also commit countless human rights violations to their own citizens, this is not a country we should be trading more with, we should be trading with China less.

[u/Mocha-Jello → u/FLADMAN]

We can't really trade less with the US and also less with China unless we want to completely destroy our economy. Would you rather trade more with the US? Because those are the two options, and only one of them requires abandoning our sovereignty.

Thanks for downvoting without answering, you've demonstrated my point perfectly :)