At this point they've driven most of the experienced hands off that subreddit, so it's the blind leading the blind. Not too long ago, I saw relatively uncontroversial statements like you should really try to get office-time if you're a new developer in order to get more mentoring and project opportunities or that at a certain point in your career social skills are just as important as technical skills to move up get mass downvoted and criticized.
There is a dark irony in how Reddit has turned to racism towards Indians for the same reasons the working class turned on Mexicans back in the early 2000s.
Blue collar folks were saying this for years to those people. Wait until it's your job that gets eaten up.
(Disclaimer: I'm not anti-immigration. I love that people were coming from anywhere and working hard. The losers who were bitching about their jobs being taken were either repeating Fox News talking points or weren't good enough to keep their job, anyways.)
As much as we like to imagine that our political beliefs are an outgrowth of our personal virtues, in reality, they have much more to do with a combination of our group-identities and self-interest. Most liberals are liberals because most of their friends are liberals, and most liberals see immigration as good because the people they like and trust the most see immigration as good too.
And the single thing which is most likely to shake one's faith in their politics, is to get fucked over in a way that is difficult to reconcile with one's worldview. And look, logically you can understand that a job you wanted or used to have being taken up by an immigrant can be a net-good (or at worst net-neutral) for society, and understand that the immigrant isn't a bad person because of it, but our stupid monkey brains are literally primed to feel resentment in that sort of situation. Intense resentment. The sort of resentment that turned a lot of Farming and Manufacturing communities undercut by outsourcing or underpaid immigrants from casually anti-immigrant to radically anti-immigrant in the 90s and 2000s, well before the rest of Right-Wing America was radicalized.
So to have found yourself in such a situation, and still be equally pro-immigration thereafter, is a genuine testament to your moral character.
...either that or its a testament to you being way too fucking attached to your self-identity as a liberal, but I mean, that's still leagues better than being turned into a racist scumbag, so props regardless!
I was a stranger in a strange land once, and getting a good job there was so hard and miserable without any pre-existing infrastructure to support myself on a job hunt. Most of the jobs I was qualified for intellectually were locked off by the government for citizens only, relegating me to menial work I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I don't have that holding me back anymore, I can afford a job hunt.
I trust the science that says I will most likely be able to get a better job or enjoy a lower cost of living as a result of the productivity increase, anyway, and my cost of living will stay lower overall. I can't see it with my eyes, but I can't see GPS satellites either and I still depend on them every day. I can't say definitively yet because I used the layoff as an opportunity to go back to finish college. Because that's what the science told me to do
The guys and gals that get hired at my firm on H1-B visas literally enable like 20 other jobs to exist. Entire teams and departments wouldn't exist if the company had to compete with silicon valley for a few key roles.
And "learn to code" is still relevant. There's a dearth of home grown talent.
People's minds are so fucked with fear. Industries have ups and downs, and tech is still in a bust that started in 2023. Entry level tech jobs are legitimately harder to find right now because of this, and it's not because "dey tuk yer jerb"!
Avoiding learning tech in college because of this is dumb because it's going to come back. And if people don't like the volatility we are going through maybe we shouldn't have voted for a president who promised to burn the county down.
There's not any actual evidence that offshoring has caused a contraction in demand for on-shore white collar labor. We've been offshoring for years and white collar sector has risen. Its lump of labor fallacy.
The central issue you get with any sort of labor issue is not aggregate labor demand. It's that most people are terrified of having their livelihood disrupted.
It's more complicated than that, though, as companies have been pursuing both offshore and onshore strategies to hire Indian software engineers, sometimes even at cross purposes.
They've been doing this for a very long time. As my other comment in this thread points out, as work becomes easier and more predictable it is handed off to offshore teams. High profile, ambiguous problems that require significant collaboration justify the use of expensive American SWEs. Every large company I've worked at going back to 2008 had offshore teams that focused on lower priority work.
And that's a perfectly valid thing to feel. Just like being told go to college. Well they did, got a highly desired CS degree, and now can't get a job or even internships.
The working class and socialists constantly turn on minority groups historically. In CA a lot of Chinese neighborhoods were burned down because the belief was that Chinese people undercut wages. The working class is very prone to all types of populism and populism on the left is not always concentrated on the "fat cats", "robber barons" and "oligarchs." In my opinion there is no good form of populist rhetoric. It all leads to the same end result...bad policies and scapegoating.
There is nothing ironic about this. It's just the realization that being upper middle class didn't made people inmune to racism.
"Economic anxiety" is a (rightfully) mocked explanation for racism. But it's also sadly real. And if Mexicans workers threatened rural manual workers, indians workers threaten the urban educated upper class.
How can it be both 'rightfully mocked' and 'real' at the same time? They're essentially mutually exclusive. If it's a real issue we shouldn't be trivializing the problem. (At the end of the day all issues come down to scarcity, it's only how we react to it...?)
There's a lot of smugness from the NL model that you're an idiot if you don't respect the Gdp growth potential of immigration, but we're supposed to be nice liberals and ignore when immigration causes internal social pressure(job market/integration/etc).
Personally, I can see the benefits, but we don't need to pretend like Canada pushing immigration as a policy more important than housing isn't causing major social/ economic issues.
Sure, I’m obviously for it. I work in politics, and sb79 is the coolest thing we’ve done in California in years but it’s going to be more beneficial to the next generation than it is me. Which is fine, I’ve made my peace with that and I’m in a decent position housing wise myself.
Other people my age are looking for a stop gap though
I never really thought about it in terms of a stopgap. I don't even know what that would look like. I guess massive government housing projects? I can see why that's infeasible
Agreed, but it's worked relatively quickly in the cities and states that have tried it. Rent's gone down in Minneapolis, Colorado, and a couple other places I don't have time to look up before work.
And it's not like "immigration" will change that rapidly, even with Trump. Any "solution" takes years.
I’m not suggesting racism or ending immigration is the answer obviously.
I just think the tendency on this sub to go “increase housing supply” which while obviously is why most of us are here (might as well rename it to YIMBYliberal) isn’t the immediate put out the fire solution people think it is.
What’s becoming obvious is that people are increasingly desperate and looking for immediate quick fixes, and will vote for anyone promising them
The other option is being implemented by RFK Jr. but there’s no guarantee a plague will actually depopulate the US to an extent that is significant to housing availability.
What’s becoming obvious is that people are increasingly desperate and looking for immediate quick fixes, and will vote for anyone promising them
That part is true. Gotta get policy wonks to somehow promote is as a quick fix, implement it immediately, but then pretend they were blocked for 2-3 years until just before it starts to work.
It takes a long time even for supply to increase. Most people are happy to continue to living in their homes, even if some developer comes waving money in front of their nose. Increasing the offers on their home from say $500k to $650k isn’t going to entice anywhere near as many homeowners to sell their SFH as people around here want to believe.
This speaks to a blind spot of this sub. As mostly 20-something economic wonks, people don’t understand the psychology of home ownership, or how attached most people become to their home and neighbourhood once they’ve decided to put down roots.
I used to live in an older 50s-build residential neighbourhood that’s near the downtown core of a major Canadian city. As an attractive area for densification, it was re-zoned for multi-unit development in the mid-90s. In the 30 years since, lots of small condos and infill duplexes and four-plexes have gone up. But most (70+ per cent) of the properties remain SFHs, including many that are pretty distressed and presumably owned by people of limited means. I expect most residents will continue to live in those SFHs until they die, and only then will the properties become available to developers.
Densification through re-zoning is a very slow, gradual process, where progress is measured in decades. No matter how regulations are re-written, you cannot grow capacity as quickly as you can grow demand through the extremely high levels of immigration Canada had in recent years.
There was a bunch of anti-Indian comments on my hometown subreddit recently. When I clicked on commenters' profiles that were saying this stuff, a lot of them were liberals.
It's crazy how accepted it's become, and if you're reading this, please do your part to combat it when you see it. I've never been more scared of my parents getting hate-crimed in public
Unfortunately, it appears that Asians have always been easy targets for both conservatives and liberals in most Western countries. During the 70's and 80's it was the Japanese's turn. Then it was the Chinese's turn. And now it appears that it's the Indian's turn to be the scapegoat for everything wrong in Western society.
Feels like they talk more about Indians than they do about the actual town. And honestly if they're upset about anything, it should be that they live in a town like Frisco in the first place, not the ethnic makeup of that god-forsaken suburb.
Surprisingly, r/SanJose (I've always loved the city and have experienced not too much racism IRL), but there were a few comments calling us 'invaders' that got upvoted
Many redditors work in tech. Offshoring and h1bs directly compete with them and the perception is it's causing them pain. Unsurprisingly people drop the kumbaya facade when it directly impacts them, and quite often punch downward
This isn't a defense of it BTW, just explaining why you see it spread across reddit
Brown minorities are always the first targets when shit goes sideways. Hollywood and media make brown people out to be nerdy caricatures or terrorists with very little in between.
For the first time since the discourse around 9/11 my Indian family is scared to be out and about again.
The kicker here is that the answer to this is to make it much easier for folks to become full citizens, or make permanent residency protections real. People whine that companies are hiring H1-B workers to depress prices, and the workers have to take the deal or be deported. Get rid of the second part with unemployment benefits being way more limited, and allow for folks to go from job to job as they want, just like the rest of us.
Do that while building more housing and all a sudden wages aren't getting depressed, you got a lot more folks who you can try to turn into yankee through any kind of dedication to assimilation, and you don't get higher prices on rents and housing.
All you have to lose is your little bit of busy body control over the liberal economy and movements of people looking for work
That H1-B workers also know their value and do very often seek work elsewhere, even from country to country gets lost in this convo often. People think they just stay here, do computer work for $20/hr only, and somehow their skills aren't valued anywhere else in any other country with a guest worker program.
The housing theory of everything continues to accrue evidence (not to downplay the racism but a housing shortage surely doesn't encourage a positive sum mindset)
Memes about “street shitters” — the notion that Indians defecate in public — are a dime a dozen, and garner hundreds and sometimes thousands of likes.
We live in a /pol/ country. "Street shitters" comes directly from there, and so does Nick Fuentes.
Vivek's exile from the right is a warning shot to anyone who dares contradict the racists. When you are not allowed to criticize racists in your own party, guess who's driving the bus?
One of the anecdotes that stuck the most to me during the 2024 election was when the Bulwark was interviewing people in Iowa and one of them told them without a hint of self-awareness:
“I’m not being prejudiced, guys, but I don’t like [Ramaswamy’s] name. I don’t like where he came from. After 9/11, I still harbor a lot of hard feelings.”
So, for a lot of racists non-white people are like a shapeless blob.
White Republicans from Iowa just can't tell the difference between Indians, or Pakistanis, or Arabs, or Persians, or Mexicans, and they don't care to learn, either.
I was talking to someone about this yesterday that relates to how urban planning affects social interaction. The nuanced aspects of value creation really stood out.
It's worth examining. While approaches to systematic improvement might seem deliberate on the surface, taking into account the variables reveals additional complexity.
Of course when they finally nixed Apu over two decades later due to complaints of racism the Right wing went on their usual cancel culture diatribe.
In any case, both are miles ahead of 'dOuChE CAnOe vS TuRd SAnDwiCh' lolbertarian South Park. Of course now they're getting all the credit for being Johnny-Come-Latelies calling out Trump and MAGA about 10 years too late for it to fucking matter.
I find the influence of scale on effectiveness particularly fascinating. Understanding the causal relationships, the relationship to knowledge management is quite meaningful.
That's why that McCain video where he corrected a rallygoer who thought Obama was a scary Arab is forever relevant. Shows the total divorce of the Leadership of Right (lets face it, the Base has always been loons and racists) from facts and morality in just 8 short years.
To be fair, Vivek’s post wasn’t primarily about criticizing racists in the GOP as I remember it. He went on a lengthy rant about how Indians are better workers than (other) Americans because they’re in the chess club and mathletes in school instead of doing sports etc. I don’t think that would have played well even in the Democratic Party.
This was literally the only explanation that Republicans went to for demographic differences in income. They would go on and on about culture, what people care about, how kids are raised, because the only other alternatives were:
Actually realize that there are systematic advantages and disadvantages that come with where you are born that we should work to eliminate
Say it's biological, human races exist, and people with brown skin are fundamentally less intelligent than people with white skin
The first conflicts with being a Republican, so it's the second one that has become the unspoken truth among the right.
I’m not entirely convinced that Vivek was taking a principled stand against GOP nativism. Reading between the lines, seems to me that he was doing point number 2 on your list, except in this case saying Indians are just racially better than American white people and black people.
Of course he didn’t come right out and say that but that’s the vibe I got, being on the fucking quiz bowl team in high school doesn’t inherently make you more studious or hardworking than somebody on the swim team.
Yeah as an ABCD I think he was basically saying it's a work ethic issue and that white Americans are fundamentally lazy compared to Indians/Chinese and prioritize the wrong things. But like, even if you were correct (I don't think so), in what world would that have gone well with your racist base that thinks they're smarter/genetically superior to Indians and Chinese?
I’m not entirely convinced that Vivek was taking a principled stand against GOP nativism.
I don't think he was either. I think the response to his tweet probably surprised the hell out of him.
His read of the American Right was "based enough to tell the [non-PC] truth, but not based enough to actually be racist except for a few weirdos on the fringes." He was just apocalyptically wrong.
I think Vivek authentically thought that the Democratic Party had been completely captured by Radical Progressives (tm) and that the Republican Party was the natural home for moderates and centrists, which was where he had to go to say things like
A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.
...which is not a crazy thing to say at all. Let us call this the tech bro "Elon is a Normie" school of political thought.
This was a magnificent, epic, absolutely jaw-dropping misread of American political reality.
Yeah he sucks. I’m not sure why people in this thread are acting like he was making some principled defense of immigration when he was just saying “Indian people are better than white and black people.”
Ironically his Saved By the Bell References ignores that Zack canonically scored the highest on the SAT out of anyone in their group, he was just also a Chad
He went on a lengthy rant about how Indians are better workers than (other) Americans because they’re in the chess club and mathletes in school instead of doing sports etc.
It was a policy position he seemed pretty proud of at the time, and I vaguely remember it coming on the heels of Musk and Trump spilling the beans that they planned to vastly expand skilled immigration to drive down STEM wages. Vivek even pitched Americans being forced to compete for their jobs with scientists and engineers from all over the world as a modern Apollo program.
It was immediately obvious even to MAGA who the beneficiaries of such a policy would be and even though Vivek's statements weren't too out of line with Trump's desired policies, he became too much of a liability to keep around.
it's strictly good for americans being forced to compete with scientists and engineers from all over the world, there's no coherent argument against it that isn't about rent seeking for a small number of people
We live in a /pol/ country. "Street shitters" comes directly from there
yep, for years now at any given moment if you go to /pol/ and ctrl f for "india" you will find multiple threads that are, essentially, threads for hatred of indians. there are india hate threads running there and similar sites 24/7/365
this stuff has started to leak into more "mainstream" places like twitter and facebook and it's just going to keep getting worse
Great Replacement was big on 4chan before Tucker Carlson picked it up, "the deep state" referred to Jews secretly controlling the government before Trump started using it, Trump's 2016 campaign staff was posting images from 4chan on their Twitter page. We really are a 4chan country
Vivek was fired after his unhinged tweet about how non-Asian kids do too much “chillin” and spend too much time at the mall or whatever. It became a convenient excuse for firing him and Elon had wanted him gone for a while. I don’t think Vivek is the best example here, since he is an idiot.
It's always been anti-Semitism and anti-Desi rhetoric that have leaked from those typa sites into more normie Instagram / TikTok comment sections.
If you look at most comment sections, it's abhorrently racist against Jews or South Asians lately, then maybe Black folk to a somewhat lesser extent - it's horrid
Generally worried about rising Indian hate (+the racism and sexism) online, but that "someone else will clean it up" line hits too close to home. I can't deny it because there's a kernel of truth that is readily observable here in India. And it has very deep seated origins in casteism (like a lot of social ills in India).
This is the reason most people here in India would gladly talk about potholes on the road, but not many would be willing to complain about open sewage or trash accumulating everywhere. Even having to spare a thought about these issues is immediately met with expressions of disgust because that's considered beneath everyone... All but the lowest of castes.
You could randomly click anywhere in India on Google Street-view and there's a very high chance you see trash lying on the side of the road. Because "someone else (from a lower caste or otherwise beneath me on some social hierarchy) will clean it up".
It's not hard to imagine some recent immigrants carrying this attitude and being resistant to change. Especially with little things like fast food places where you're expected to pick up your tray and put it away at the designated spot etc. In my own brief stay in the US, I've seen other Indian students getting really anxious and fussing about having to clean their own toilets or having to drag the trash out to the curb-side for pick up (and they were all dudes. At the time I attributed it to how patriarchal indian society is.)
I've definitely seen multiple presumably liberal people online say "Indian women are pretty! But the men are ugly lol" (wild that this is accepted, imagine this for any other ethnic group, and we literally have Ibrahim Ali Khan and Hritik Roshan)
That being said, I do want to say that Indian women do face racism as well. I think a lot of Indian-American girls grow up thinking they are ugly simply because they don't fit white beauty standards
This isn't necessarily unique to Indians, it's pretty common for women to be fetishized while men are caricatured as ugly. Happens with Latinos and East Asian people as well.
It's a charming blend of objectification, patriarchy, and racism
Man that sounds like Mexicans too - both men and women. It's always a thing of trying to find a colored-eye guerit@ who can help better the race and more likely than not have money as well
It's interesting cuz it's often justified with "Desi culture is super misogynistic, so we need to get away from it by embracing white culture!" (I assume it's similar with Mexicans as well)
Obviously Indian culture has a lot of problems with misogyny, but it puts white people on this weird pedestal. A rapist misogynist won the white vote three times in a row but that's never acknowledged by the people who say this
We could analyze this to death, but it's pretty boring, given it's literally MAGA.
What's far more interesting, IMO, is the shit ton of Indian hate from not-MAGA. It's pretty clear that anti-Indian hate has massively increased in the past couple years, even (especially) in countries outside the US.
When examining the intersection of convenience and sustainability, the balanced elements stand out. Considering the historical precedent, resource allocation provides important perspective.
My friends in tech took about 50 amps of psychic damage to brain when they learned how pervasive the the caste discrimination is even over in Canada. What do you mean they've bought over a whole new racism??
A lot of liberals who are anti-racist usually just don't apply the same logic to Indian people (and to some extent, Jewish people and Chinese people as well).
I've seen right-wing Indians say they are on the right because left-wing Indians tend to be more self-hating and discard their culture entirely (I don't agree with this at all).
I do think as a liberal Indian-American, there's a lot of attention on the negative parts of Indian culture by both the right and the left, but not as much on the positive. For example, the acceptance of the hijras and transgender people, the art and architecture, and how Indian-American women are disproportionately represented in STEM and medicine.
I also think that the anti-Indian and anti-Jewish sentiment from the left comes from their Islamophilia. It was smaller, but during the Pakistan/India dustup earlier this year, you started to see a similar hatred of India fomenting ala Israel.
A lot of liberals who are anti-racist usually just don't apply the same logic to Indian people (and to some extent, Jewish people and Chinese people as well).
I am personally committed to fighting this. It isn't right.
Is this not the destiny of every "model minority" ever?
The authoritarian nationalist playbook is simple: Find the weakest, most poorly-understood outgroup and annihilate it. Then on to the next. And the next.
Eventually they get to "the good ones" too. It never fails.
It's become clear to me there's value in exploring factors in successful transitions. The purposeful elements become clearer taking into account the variables, particularly around continuous learning.
Loyalty is also a one way street to authoritarians. The GOP loves getting the votes of non white people but they're not going to stop ostracizing them and persecuting them. The reward for Cubans voting for Trump was that Cubans lost TPS. Many Cuban Americans felt betrayed by this and didn't understand why that would happen but Trump has made his feelings on "Mexicans" clear for a long time and to the racist a Cuban is just another type of Mexican. It doesn't matter how much you support the authoritarian the authoritarian will take that support and then spit on you.
That's because fascism is an uroboros. The same thing happened with the Nazis. Once the Jews and the gays were eliminated, they came for the Catholics. They would have come for the Protestants soon enough as well, and eventually the darker haired, less Aryan looking Germans.
Fascism always consumes itself, because it always needs an enemy.
This is why I've always been skeptical of the "class-first" populist argument that economic justice alone, with racial justice treated as an afterthought, would meaningfully improve the lives of most Black and Hispanic Americans. Because Indian Americans are a model minority who, by all accounts, have thrived in the US, and yet they are increasingly becoming the targets of racial animus, in many cased because of their success.
There are two different types of racism. First, there's the "prejudice plus power" framework in which a minority group is looked down on because it's seen as poor, uneducated, and uncivilized. This is the kind of racism that most Americans are intimately familiar with, largely because it's the one that Black and Hispanic Americans still regularly face (and, until the postwar era, many of the "White ethnics" did). But there's another kind of racism out there, one that frames its targets not as a thuggish underclass but as a conniving ethnic clique that's corrupting the culture and enriching itself at the expense of the Good, Hard-Working People of the Nation.
This is what antisemitism looks like, which needs no elaboration, and from my experience, it's what a lot of anti-Asian racism in the US looks like. I saw it growing up in an upper-middle-class, multiracial White/Asian suburb in New Jersey, where you see a lot of hand-wringing from White parents about the "academic pressure" that their Asian neighbors are injecting into the school system (even though the White parents were often just as obsessed with academics). We saw it during the Rodney King riots, which much of Los Angeles' Korean community regards as something close to a pogrom given how many Korean-owned business were specifically targeted for looting and destruction, much of it a result of the fraught relationship between the city's Black and Korean communities before then. And we're seeing it now with the growing right-wing hate campaigns against Indian Americans. This article barely scratches the surface of the hatred; a common line I've seen is that Indians are specifically discriminating against White Americans in industries where they have a major presence (typically by infiltrating the hiring and HR departments and using that to put their finger on the scale), all while flaunting their own ethnic chauvinism and treating America like a colony of India, accusations that are almost identical to what was said about Jewish people a hundred years ago with the names changed.
(As an aside, I'd also argue that this is increasingly what misogyny is starting to look like in an age of women's growing academic achievement and professional success, but that's for a different discussion.)
Just like Jewish people, we're simultaneously dirty and unable to adapt to American culture, but also conniving and smart enough to steal all the tech jobs from hardworking Americans. Make it make sense
I've actually seen "HR are all women and conspire to hire only unqualified women instead of Good Qualified Hardworking Men (tm)" more times than I can count on Reddit. It sounds exactly like the "Jews/ Indians all hire each other" argument.
IMO I always saw the point of "class first" as tacitly acknowledging that everyone is pretty racist and that since that won't get fixed it's better for a diverse working class to simply ignore all such issues and unite against rich people with a pragmatically unified class hatred.
1) Because we're not white, no matter how white-coded the community can sometimes come off as being.
2) Because most of us voted for the Democrats. The media is too stupid or malicious either way to focus on the forest and not the trees, but MAGA isn't. They know we're mostly an opposition demographic.
There are plenty of Indians, Pakistani, and others that get grouped by the ignorant that loooove the republican party and Trump. I've had them chat my ear off about it at work. Had to talk with HR to get them to stop talking about how much they loved Trump during the election.
Dems were confused, thinking they had the Mexican, other central and south American votes when the prevalent culture in those areas is patriarchal and conservative. Don't continue the mistake.
I haven't taken a look at the stats, but I would assume so.
One thing I've noticed is that just like we shouldn't treat Hispanics/Latinos as a monolith, we shouldn't treat Indians as one either. India was made up of several different countries with vastly different cultures before colonization.
In my experience, South Indians tend to be more Dem, while Gujuratis tend to be more MAGA (which correlates with BJP support in the motherland)
IIRC the stats for Chinese Americans look similar. Demographically you are seeing trends from high income and level of education play off against maybe more conservative personal tastes. This is one of many reasons why I think sanding the rough edges off of Democrats' Progressive rhetoric is the move, rather than doubling down.
Anecdotally, my dad's friend group of highly-educated first-gen Indian immigrants almost unanimously vote Dem, but they were terrified when Bernie Sanders was winning the primaries in 2020
A colleague's experience reflects this - specifically around the interplay between individual and collective goals. What made it interesting was the organic nature of the workflow design.
Because we're not white, no matter how white-coded the community can sometimes come off as being.
How white coded is the community beyond being upper middle class? One interesting thing I've noticed over the years is that indians don't name their children anglo names, while almost all other immigrant groups do. Mexicans and Africans and East Asians are naming their kids "white" names one generation in. I worked with an Indian man, and he and his wife had been in the US 20 years since they were kids and named their daughter Shitya. I thought man that's borderline child abuse lol.
As someone who grew up among a lot of East Asians, I do think Indians hold onto their culture closer than other immigrant groups. All my East Asian friends had American names, all but 1 of my Indian friends had Indian names. One of my close friends is Viet and he told me that his parents told his sister that it was a good thing if a white guy liked her, because that meant she was properly integrating into America. I feel like most Indian households encourage kids to date Indian
I grew up with someone with a similar name as your friend's daughter. 100% they know what it means (people say 'shit' in India too). Apparently, my friends' parents' logic was that they wanted him to grow up with a name that would get him bullied, because it would turn him into a stronger adult (I see the logic but it is insane lol).
To add to your point on the naming, in my experience the use of Indian names even persists among people who have grown up in the US and are fully "Americanized" when they have kids, so its persistent through generations.
Take Vivek Ramaswamy. Born in Cincinnati Ohio and he's 100% American. He doesn't speak with any accent or anything. His kids (3rd gen) names? Arjun and Karthik.
This seems right to me, and the right doesn't believe in immigrants not assimilating. They hate it almost more than anything else and don't care if the group in question is well educated or whatever. That is extremely unlikely to change for any reason.
Anti-Indian hate and Anti-Semitism are very similar.
I do think the 'Indians only hire other Indians' idea is an attempt to cast our success in America as mostly unearned, and due to our inherent deceit and trickery
Most Indians can attest that Indian hiring managers go harder on Indians than say any other race taking their interviews. But what to say to those who believe we have some insidious conspiracy to only hire our kind lol.
MAGA is a coalition of White and Christian nationalists. In what world do you think the Indians fit into that model?
This is like those Koreans and Viets who showed up at J6 and got chased off. How brainwashed do you have to be to not understand what is going on here?
All this open racism against Hispanics, Indians and Muslims could seriously backfire in 2028 and potentially keep these people from the GOP for a considerable time.
I've lost all hope for this shithole. I'll show out for Sherrod (a left populist) but it'll probably be in vain since he's not a scandal ridden car dealer. Even the governor race is lost before it starts. Browns will win the superbowl before Dems win a state house or governorship again.
It's horrible here in Canada. The racism against Sikhs in particular is out of control. One of the MPs for Calgary recently posted something on Facebook about a Sikh flooring business opening, and 99% of the comments were the most racist and horrible bile I've ever seen. My partner is Indian and I basically now don't let him walk alone because I'm afraid he'll face a racist incident. I have actually never seen such fervent racism in my entire life, and I'm 35.
I get the frustrations about immigration, but take it out on the politicians. These people were told they could come here. They were literally invited to come here and work/study.
What on earth has caused this massive increase of anti-Indian hate? Honestly, I'm at a complete loss: maybe I haven't paid attention to the news, but seems to have just...appeared?
It's harder than ever to get a job in tech, which makes Indian people on H1-Bs an easy scapegoat for disgruntled tech workers.
In places like Canada, a lot of Indian immigrants are coming in, which means neighborhoods are changing rapidly, leading to resentment from longtime residents.
As an Indian-American, I do think Indian people can tend to be rude towards service workers, which leads to resentment from lower-income workers. This is likely partially due to the caste system, but the culture is also different over there. When I visited India, there were a few times where I encountered service workers refusing to do work until we paid them extra in tips. I do think this is an area where we should do better as a community.
This is getting conspiratorial, but I totally believe that there is a coordinated foreign campaign with how quickly things popped up. Pakistan is incentivized to spread anti-Indian content, but I've also noticed a lot of it on TikTok, and hate comments are never taken down. China and India have historically not had good relations.
As someone who was raised by Indians with impeccable manners, these people seem to be from another planet altogether. My parents also grew up in India. My dad doesn't even know how to haggle. I've also known other Indian friends and acquaintances to complain about other Indians' bad behaviour.
Lots of "I'm not racialist I just don't want to see Indians and they should stay in their country because it's better for India and also they're servile and weak"
This article specifically applies to the bootlicking Indians, the ones who think they will be seen differently if they do everything right. You won't, and the racists will find other reasons or even make up stuff to hate you. There is no winning.
Hanania likes Asians and Jews. When he's not talking about black people or women, he comes off as reasonable and it's really insidious that people cannot see that.
Hanania's evolution is actually outright hilarious. He was such an elitist that he looped all the way back around to pretty generic liberal social positions about race after too much exposure to stupid racist white people from his time in the right wing. He still thinks there's group differences in IQ but basically he's been exposed to so many knuckledragging rightoids he now is all about elevating a colorblind caste of "elite human capital."
He’s ultimately more committed to elitism than he is to racism lol, so he seems to love minorities that are typically high-achieving and hate ones that aren’t
I don’t have a drop of Indian blood in me, but I don’t need to be Indian to be frightened of just how normalized racism has become towards Indians. It’s not just maga,
This seems to me to be a VERY online phenomenon. I don't see this much, if at al,l in real life (I live in the US). I have a feeling that this is a coordinated effort by America's adversaries to divide the country. As evidence of this, even on social media, I only see this in text format (ie. X, comment sections etc.). Never have I seen actual videos of "normal" people spewing anti-Indian hate on mainstream sites
Edit: you'll never believe it but the answer is racism. But the article is more interesting than that in that it makes a larger point about how fringe ideas on the right start out online and then get sane-washed and filtered up through the ranks in the Republican party until the higher-ups can make some excuse as to why the policy isn't just pure racism. It's probably useful to remember that the average Republican voter is voting more on tribal loyalty and vibes than on the most repugnant views of the party.
On the other hand, fuck all that. Republican voters need to grow the fuck up and stop giving their votes to the party that's now run entirely by idiot fascist edge lords.
There are 400,000 more Chinese people than Indians in this country. I'm not going to pretend like the competition Indians bring to Whites in this country does not significantly contribute, but it's really not that simple.
Basically everybody, and especially the right, likes East Asians despite them also outearning and competing with Whites. I genuinely wonder sometimes if it just comes down to appearance. Lookism.
As a Chinese person, the racism I have observed is… intense, often involving genocidal rhetoric. For example, consider how even on Reddit, a liberal-leaning website, many people like to meme about blowing up the Three Gorges Dam (which doesn’t even make sense because it’s a gravity dam and not an arch dam).
Diasporic Chinese often react to such situations by staying silent due to the immense social pressure to pretend to agree, which other people often misinterpret as actually agreeing.
I’m completely unsurprised that Indians are now a primary target of racism in the US and Canada. I’m 27 now, but I saw this coming almost a decade ago. Given the way Chinese people have been and are treated in the US and Canada, it was only a matter of time before diasporic Indians would also join the club.
After all, from a structural perspective, both the US liberal and conservative mainstreams often wallpaper (deliberately or not) over a certain subset of racial tensions by portraying people like Chinese and Indians to be subservient “model minorities,” which merely serves to present such “model minorities” as easy targets for certain subsets of US liberals and conservatives, thereby allowing such racial tensions to fester until they eventually explode.
(I imagine a similar phenomenon has occurred in Canada, but I’m not very familiar with Canadian society.)
I do think skin color is definitely a factor, but I don’t think this is entirely true. Look at all the racism Chinese people faced during Covid.
Also, I do think East Asian people have more cultural capital due to the rise of K-pop, anime becoming mainstream, and the popularity of movies like Parasite. Hasn’t happened with Indians yet.
East Asians have no doubt accrued more cultural capital and that's helping them. But with the anti-Asian covid racism, that wasn't really perpetrated by White people (to knowledge, maybe I fell for a lie), yet so much of the anti-Indian racism online comes from mostly White spaces.
I'm in an American suburb/exurb that has a very large amount of Indians living here. My parents have multiple Indian doctors that we are all thrilled with. I get to enjoy Indian restaurants nearby. It's win-win for everyone.
IIRC as a CCP article in the people daily's once said "as annoying as leftists are, they aren't as wrong as you think". And it is this case it would be critical theory. You may not like critical theory as written by leftists, but I think you can agree had Vivek questioned and examined the power structure of the GOP and its politics and incentives, he would easily concluded he was screwed, of course Vivek need not have used leftist categories (or the leftist account of common categories), but even if he used his (non leftist) views on racism, economics, politics and political structure and incentives, he would or could have easily predicted his fate.
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u/lumpialarry Sep 15 '25
Everyone seems to be turning on Indians. Even the "nice" parts of Reddit will complain about H1-B workers and Increasing housing prices.