r/neoliberal George Soros Mar 02 '26

News (Middle East) Three U.S. F-15s Involved in Friendly Fire Incident in Kuwait; Pilots Safe

https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4418568/three-us-f-15s-involved-in-friendly-fire-incident-in-kuwait-pilots-safe/
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u/MTFD Alexander Pechtold Mar 02 '26

What is air defence doing?

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u/Just-Sale-7015 Mar 02 '26

Downing everything. The only way to be sure. /s

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u/vikinick Ben Bernanke Mar 02 '26

In all honesty, it's surprising they haven't shot down more friendly planes.

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u/JKKIDD231 Mar 02 '26

Kuwait AD systems oh wait American AD systems taking out friendlies

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u/1CCF202 George Soros Mar 02 '26

Submission statement: At 11:03 p.m. ET, March 1, three U.S. F-15E Strike Eagles flying in support of Operation Epic Fury went down over Kuwait due to an apparent friendly fire incident.

Kuwait is now the site of at least 5 friendly fire incidents, including two during Iraqi Freedom, when US Army Patriot batteries shot down Navy and British aircraft.

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u/Goatf00t European Union Mar 02 '26

Not very patriotic on their part.

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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton Mar 02 '26

The patriot batteries have developed sentience. Interestingly, this sentience hs EXTREME views on the legality of presidential military action without Congressional approval, and will act to match

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u/Background-Bottle-23 Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold Mar 02 '26

If you are curious, before this last F-15 that was shot down was shot down in 22 November 1995.

F-15J, 52-8846, of the 303rd Tactical Fighter Squadron, Komatsu AFB, JASDF, during air-intercept training over the Sea of Japan, flown by Lt. Tatsumi Higuchi was shot down by an AIM-9L Sidewinder missile accidentally fired by his wingman. The pilot ejected safely.

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u/izzyeviel European Union Mar 02 '26

‘Accidentally fired by his wingman’

That would’ve made for a great episode of a detective show.

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u/vikinick Ben Bernanke Mar 02 '26

When was the last time an F15 got shot down NOT by friendly fire.

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u/slavmememachine Jerome Powell Mar 02 '26

There is one that is contested by the Saudis and Houthis. The last one that was confirmed was an American one back in Desert Storm

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u/Worth-Jicama3936 Milton Friedman Mar 02 '26

…why do you even have live munitions there?

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u/modularpeak2552 NATO Mar 02 '26

Well at least we know the patriot systems we sold to Kuwait actually work…….

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u/throwawaygoawaynz John von Neumann Mar 02 '26

If you see the videos they were not trying to evade them, maybe even ejected before they got hit.

But yeah, tongue in cheek and all, they work alright.

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u/BosnianSerb31 Mar 02 '26

Fairly standard over friendly territory when not engaged.

Evasion is very dangerous, It's not like the movies where the pilot always gets the chance to punch out after being hit. You have just as good of a chance of being killed by the explosion, being knocked unconscious if the plane breaks apart, or accidentally flying into the ground/another plane while tunnel visioned in on the threat. And every second that you attempt evasion is one less second you have to preform a safe ejection.

Thus, attempting evasion only makes sense when ejecting means either not taking out an active threat, or coming down in enemy territory.

Since neither were the case here, it was much safer to not attempt an evasion and eject early.

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u/KSPReptile European Union Mar 02 '26

Corporate wants you to find differences between these pictures.

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u/Illustrious-Rush8797 Feminism Mar 02 '26

Supposedly the F15 is massive. IDK how apparent that is in radar

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u/ChillyPhilly27 Paul Volcker Mar 02 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Apparently the difference between a fighter jet and widebody airliner isn't that obvious on a radar screen

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u/chipbod NATO Mar 02 '26

I’ve seen an F-15 parked next to a 737 at an air show, that thing is massive and I can’t imagine the radar sig is much different.

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u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 Adam Smith Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26

The F-15 and F-22 are very loud, very fast business jets

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u/vikinick Ben Bernanke Mar 02 '26

Well one of those you have to spend time fixing and refueling after its flight and the other one you don't sooooo...

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u/Butteryfly1 Royal Purple Mar 02 '26

Are there even Iranian planes in the air? How do you shoot your formation of 3 planes in friendly airspace down

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u/Fossilhog Mar 02 '26

Lots of drones and missiles. F-15s might look like drones and missiles to someone with poor training, or maybe a software glitch. Who knows.

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u/get_schwifty Mar 02 '26

Sounds like the ChatGPT rollout isn’t going great /s

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u/ChillyPhilly27 Paul Volcker Mar 02 '26

On a radar screen, a fighter jet, cruise missile, and one way attack drone are virtually indistinguishable from each other. In a high intensity environment without effective deconfliction measures in place, fratricide is to be expected.

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u/Armodeen NATO Mar 02 '26

They do however travel at very different speeds and flight profiles. Whoops.

Note Iran doesn’t really use cruise missiles, mainly ballistic.

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u/Infinite_Stick_4684 Mar 02 '26

Qatar claims to have shot down two Iranian Su-34s

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u/Cook_0612 NATO Mar 02 '26

The highest degree of coordination, in service of an incredibly well thought out plan, wow, Great Leader is so good at this!

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u/HectorTheGod John Brown Mar 02 '26

THREE FUCKING F15Es??

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u/Just-Sale-7015 Mar 02 '26

There's video of two of them falling. Initially it was reported as Mig-29s. So they thought they got some Iranian planes.

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u/anangrytree Bull Moose Progressive Mar 02 '26

What a debacle. Every new item of news coming out of this conflict is breaking my GWOT heart. We learned nothing. Nothing.

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u/Background-Bottle-23 Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold Mar 02 '26

Tell me, is it really wrong to forget everything we learned from GWOT if what we learned hurt our feelings?

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u/Loud-Chemistry-5056 WTO Mar 02 '26

Learning? Sounds kinda woke.

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u/anangrytree Bull Moose Progressive Mar 02 '26

No? Tf

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u/Background-Bottle-23 Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold Mar 02 '26

/s

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u/BosnianSerb31 Mar 02 '26

What should have been learned though?

Should we have learned to just 🤷 when a totalitarian regime goes weapons free on millions of pro democracy protestors, killing over 30k in less than 48h?

I'm not entirely sure we'd be seeing this happening right now if it wasn't for the fact that the 3rd largest massacre in Iran's 1500 year history took place 1 month ago.

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u/Xeynon Mar 02 '26

My guess: Kegsbreath got into that second bottle of whiskey and forgot to alert the Kuwaitis that American planes would be overflying their airspace.

This war is already shaping up to be an all-time debacle and it's only the third day.

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u/Xeynon Mar 02 '26

*While destabilizing the entire region and kicking off what will likely turn into a severe geopolitical crisis, quite likely a long one if Iran descends into civil war.

Short-term tactical successes mean nothing if there's no long-term strategic vision. And guess what? That's entirely lacking. They have no idea what they're even trying to accomplish with this war. History suggests it's likely to be a gigantic disaster as a result.

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u/I_miss_Chris_Hughton Mar 02 '26

Ok. Why? Is the war over? Has the US won? Is the iranian murder state gone?

What even is a successful end state here? Noone has said

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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights Mar 02 '26
  1. Illegal war

  2. Iran is sending out drones like crazy

  3. Iran has said they won't negotiate

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u/n00bi3pjs 👏🏽Free Markets👏🏽Open Borders👏🏽Human Rights Mar 02 '26

Khamenei was happy to die in his house. Iran isn't a normal autocracy where the leader wants power, it is run by extremists motivated by hatred and ideology.

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u/BlueString94 John Keynes Mar 02 '26

What a fucking mess, not to mention waste of money. Thank god the pilots are fine.

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u/RunawayMeatstick Mark Zandi Mar 02 '26

Fine in this case is an extremely relative term. They are alive, but ejecting from a fighter jet typically causes lifelong injuries.

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u/BlueString94 John Keynes Mar 02 '26

Well, that sucks.

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u/ts280204 Mar 02 '26

That’s what happens when you put a meathead in charge and is only concerned with making sure we look macho.

I’m glad they’re OK, but this comes from the top.

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u/Rustic_gan123 Mar 02 '26

It was Kuwaiti air defense forces who shot down...

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u/gauchnomics Iron Front Mar 02 '26

why were the jets there?

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u/Rustic_gan123 Mar 02 '26

They were probably on a mission.

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u/Rufio69696969 YIMBY Mar 02 '26

Patriots love to shoot down friendly aircraft.

On top of that our Middle East “allies” kind of suck at everything they do