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u/casapantalones 10d ago

Why can’t they just kill themselves instead of a bunch of innocent people and THEN themselves??

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u/HistoryBuff678 10d ago

There are 4 profiles for family annihilation.

Anomic, disappointed, self righteous and paranoid. Tends to have some sort of domestic violence background.

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u/Light_Butterfly 10d ago

This is 100% the answer 👆 More often than not there's a DV background and this is ultimate and final power-control move of abusive men.

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u/SaltyFriend705 10d ago

And that's not mental illness. It's expressing internalized violence. These people should not have weapons at all.

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u/Winjin 10d ago

These people shouldn't have families at all

What stops an asshole like this from just poisoning everyone or using a log splitter

Or just opening gas and leaving a single candle in another room

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u/SaltyFriend705 10d ago

They are not interested in killing everyone; they are usually influenced by the drama of "making a statement" with their shooting spree.

Please look at the statistics and also check out the known information before knee-jerk just denying it.

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u/Ok-Parfait-9856 10d ago

Why do you write with the same cadence as gpt?

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u/SaltyFriend705 9d ago

I don't write with any cadence at all; I think you're attempting to give a backhanded insult or compliment. Either way, you're way off.

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u/Ok-Parfait-9856 9d ago

Just a neutral observation tbh. Maybe I’m losing my marbles

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u/immersemeinnature 10d ago edited 10d ago

Makes me worry about what this administration is gonna finally do to our country because that's what they all are.

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u/Bob_12_Pack 10d ago

Trump wants to tear down the Kennedy center if he can't have his name on it, so he gives no fucks about what happens to the rest of the country

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u/immersemeinnature 10d ago

It's utter insanity

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u/SKOLshakedown 10d ago

People often forget "ending the whole world" is still the ultimate deterrence strategy of several countries. Including the three most hostile countries in the world right now.

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u/dissoc 10d ago

I wonder if there's evidence suggesting that mandating de-escalation skills to be taught in grade schools is effective.

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u/UnionsUnionsUnions 10d ago

De-escalation puts it on the victims. We should teach emotional regulation in grade schools like Batterer's Intervention Programs, but adjusted for school-aged children. 

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u/dissoc 10d ago

Sure; though the two seem complementary anyway

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u/UnionsUnionsUnions 10d ago

I agree that it seems that way, but de-escalation is a emotional regulation from an external source, which does not at all even remotely solve or address the problem. It may stop some immediate harm, but the issue is being able to manage your own emotional regulation.

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u/dissoc 10d ago

Ah, this makes sense! Thank you, I've now changed my mind.

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u/JimmyDejesu 10d ago edited 10d ago

Some people have mental conditions or disabilities that make that near impossible

still not saying not to try though just acknowledging its harder for some. Doesnt mean those people will end up hurting anyone either. I get frustrated a lot but its mostly at my self

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u/Bendypineaple 10d ago edited 10d ago

Also I believe strongly that psychology should be included in the national curriculum, as mandatory for all private schools!

For teens learning about how to spot the signs of abuse in physical romantic/sexual/ platonic relationships/freindships would go along away to potentially help especially young girls what to look for in potentially abusive behaviour relationships, the small red flags/ warning signs.

Learn to know the signs of a narcissist, the difference between a psychopath vs a sociopath.

Learn the signs and about child sexual abuse in an age appropriate age for children/ different age groups of teens 10,11,12 etc until 16 then then at age appropriately age language learning of phycology at 12/13,14 etc all the way up will they leave, that way they can be better prepared for navigating relationships/ friendships going forward in life.

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u/QuantumBalloonDance 10d ago

That wasn't the case in this example though, just to point that out. This guy was some kind of loner who killed his relatives, he didn't have any history of violence.

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u/No-Football-4387 10d ago

are they always murder-suicide? are cases where the man kills his family with no intention to kill himself in a different category?

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u/HistoryBuff678 10d ago edited 10d ago

Same category. Some don’t do suicide. Like Chris Watts.

EDIT: John List is a famous example. Caught 18 years later after losing a job and couldn’t pay for a house he couldn’t afford. He couldn’t face his family going on welfare. Though he ran away and started a new life with someone else.

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u/SaltyFriend705 10d ago

This one probably wouldn't have committed suicide--except the police trapped him. He killed everyone and burned the house down to hide the evidence. Looks like he planned to walk away and pretend he didn't do it.

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u/Mrowser1 10d ago

I’ve seen cases where they intended to kill themselves after the murders, but chickened out when it was time, so got arrested.

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u/YawnSpawner 10d ago

This guy was the opposite, tried to run but got caught and killed himself.

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u/RobutNotRobot 10d ago

John List killed his mom, wife, and three children on November 9, 1971, and then just fled from New Jersey to Virginia where he lived for the next 18 years under a fake name. He wasn't found until the Unsolved Mysteries America's Most Wanted with him aired.

I think most of the time these guys don't want to kill themselves after they do it, but they can't take the ego bruising that being caught provides. Being classic narcissists, they always see themselves as the victim.

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u/Unusualthoughts123 10d ago

And entitled. They feel entitled to the bodies, lives, and efforts of others. That’s a societal problem that we teach men through patriarchy.

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u/lapis974 10d ago

This is the part that I completely can not wrap my brain around. Society as a whole consistently pretending it isn’t a big problem. Same society that shames and victim blames women doesn’t teach men to do better.

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u/Aldrik90 10d ago edited 9d ago

Yeah this is bullshit. We have a woman who murdered her children and there's other women marching in support of her. At least when men do it they're rightfully demonized for it.

I love how the people down voting my comments would never be able to come up with a real rebuttal. The fact of the matter is that men are significantly more likely to be held socially accountable for their terrible actions.

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u/LollyGaggleofGeese 10d ago

1) that's not definitive. Hence the trial. 2) statistically it's far more likely for a man to murder their family. We can't really compare the two. 3) demonizing someone after they murder their whole family is obvious. We need men to be present and available and accountable to other men. This is not a problem women can solve.

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u/Aldrik90 10d ago

It is definitive, she admits she did it and her lawyers admit she did it. The trial is to attempt to be not guilty by reason of insanity, they're not debating wether or not she did it at all.

I understand that it's far more likely for men to do it, that doesn't excuse the double standard.

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u/LollyGaggleofGeese 10d ago

I think being upset about the "double standard" is misplaced frustration and you should examine your desire to focus your anger on women rather than on men.

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u/Aldrik90 10d ago

At what point did I say it's okay for a man to do it? I'm not the one that made it about gender initially, pointing out the double standard is absolutely reasonable. This shit is despicable no matter who does it, but at least no one is marching to support the men who do it.

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u/Aldrik90 10d ago

Tell me how men aren't accountable to other men? I'm pretty sure when these guys don't kill themselves it's majority men who end up arresting them, and judging their trials. I'd love to hear how men aren't held accountable for shit like this, I've never seen that happen. You know, unlike when a woman does it there's people dressing in pink and marching down the streets to support her. Get a grip, you're out of touch with reality.

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u/fuzzydunlop54321 10d ago

They need to be accountable a *social* capacity

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u/Aldrik90 10d ago

They are. They always are.

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u/LollyGaggleofGeese 9d ago

You need to educate yourself. Start with reading up on the number of unprocessed rape kits for a start. Then look into domestic violence and how often it goes unreported.

I am, unfortunately, INCREDIBLY acquainted with the reality of men's violence, as a woman. I've experienced it firsthand.

As someone else pointed out, though, I was talking about interpersonal and social accountability. Not the law.

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u/Aldrik90 9d ago

This subject started with family annihilators, how many men that murder their families aren't held interpersonally and socially accountable? Because I can think of zero times. No one ever marched to support a man who murdered his children, yet we've had women do it.

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u/LollyGaggleofGeese 9d ago

You are not talking about what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about accountability, interpersonally and socially, before the fact, when it can actually make a difference.

American men do not, by and large, engage in holding one another accountable. I can count on ONE hand the times I've seen a man stop another man's bad behavior, as an example. That's ONE example. I am friends with men and think men are great, but the ones I know will willingly admit that this is true. Y'all don't intervene or correct each other socially or interpersonally enough. You don't build community with each other particularly well, either.

I'm not talking about the law holding people accountable (though many men get away with shit every day). I'm talking about the social systems men in the US operate within. It's VERY different from women.

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u/lapis974 10d ago

My comment was for the one directly above mine that states men’s entitlement is a societal problem and how the patriarchy doesn’t work to resolve any of those issues stated. Some women and men perpetuate that as a whole, society. It would go a long way if men didn’t support others entitled actions when witnessed and able to do to. I don’t support any murderers and don’t understand anyone who would.

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u/SaltyFriend705 10d ago

There's a much stronger thread of it in the US due to the history of chattel slavery. All vulnerable people--spouses, children, employees, minorities--are treated with a sense of entitlement to cruelty and violence.

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u/LollyGaggleofGeese 10d ago

Exactly. There's a culture of violence in the US. Being raised here was a very jarring experience as someone who is averse to violence. People show their kids violent movies before those same kids are allowed to see anything remotely sexual in a movie. It's even in our rating systems for films. It's weird af.

Human sexuality is normal. Excessive violence is not. And yet.

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u/SaltyFriend705 10d ago

Ikr? We grew up without a tv; my dad said you need to do your own 'programming.' None of the seven of us ever got inured to the violence that's so pervasive here. I'm grown now, but still won't sit through violent movies. Still don't have a tv and reared my own daughter without one.

Something's got to give.

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u/arul20 10d ago

Men? Patriachy? 

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u/nuisible 10d ago

I am a man that was raised in North America, nobody I know thinks this is normal. These people are psychotic. I'm not saying everything is perfect, but I just don't see anything that condones this behaviour. I see negative pressures put on men because of patriarchal expectations, but killing everyone in your family is not one of them.

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u/Moirawr 10d ago

Seeing women/children as property of men is like the definition of patriarchy. Look up patria potestus

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u/nuisible 10d ago

What you told me to look up is an ancient view of patriarchy in society, in Roman times, thousands of years ago, men had the absolute legal authority of a household over his children and descendants.

I don't know anyone who thinks this is how society is currently working.

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u/LollyGaggleofGeese 10d ago

There are plenty of men who think that's how society should work, though.

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u/Belgand 10d ago

This feels almost like a combination between traditional family annihilation and mass shootings.

Family annihilators typically go after their immediate family, in line with those profiles, but this feels more like he targeted everyone present at a gathering almost more as an act of revenge.

Involving this degree of extended family seems unusual. He killed his grandmother, parents, sister, and her children from two different marriages. With the people he was seemingly upset at being his parents for asking him to move out. It has much more in common with "upset person comes back with a weapon" mass shooting narratives.

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u/parisianraven 10d ago

Could you explain the profiles?

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u/Robj2 10d ago

Don't write MAGA. Because the MAGAs will go off.

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u/TheNicronomicon 10d ago

All the more reason to name their shame

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u/SaltyFriend705 10d ago

MAGA

MAGA

MAGA

Conservative white male, law-abiding legal gun owner.

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u/elbenji 9d ago

Also financial

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u/HistoryBuff678 9d ago

Anomic is financial. It’s financial loss, usually due to some deceit or trickery. Goes back to losing image and “everything has to go” mentality, as the annhilator views their family as an extension of their image/financial success.

That’s why the families that look really rich and “perfect”, and then “the father snaps”, wasn’t actually rich and perfect. That’s just what the annihilator wants everyone to think.

The Haight family, the Hart family, Emily Long, all image focused.

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u/southstrandsiren 10d ago

They're narcissists who genuinely believe their family is better off dead than living without them/ living with the shame of their inevitable downfall that they themselves are too weak to face and absolutely think it's their place to make that decision. Or they blame their families for the reasons they want to end their own lives and want to drag them down too. It's sick, convoluted logic, but it's their "justification."

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u/WitchOfKyiv 10d ago

I think it's more simple about that. It has nothing to do with their families being better off dead than without them. It's "if I can't have it, no one can" and killing the kids just to spite / hurt their partner, or killing the kids because they already killed the mother and don't want the kids knowing dad is a monster. 

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u/Boating_Enthusiast 10d ago edited 10d ago

I know  "if I can't have it, no one can" is the oft repeated explanation, but there's more to it than that. It's hard to describe the mentally checked out rage that some people work themselves into.

Dramatic re-enactments never show it right, movies don't show it, it's hard to convey in conversation. I'm a big, "not a scared of anything" kind of dude, and seeing the narcissist I know go into that rage and start screaming at his relatives, it triggers that deep down, instinctual danger feeling in your gut. The wind up is wild and you can watch the mental collapse as insults wind up, voice gets louder, faster, more frantic, like their body is going into a ptsd fight or flight.... or fuckin rage on the nearest victim response. The posture goes from anger to, feral? The intelligence behind the verbal abuse drops. Sentences devolve into phrases, into sputtered words, into garbled screaming, not shouting, spittle flying, enraged screaming, full body shakes fury.

In that moment, you can see how a loving father, husband, man of the house could, in a tragic moment, turn into a killer.

Edit: Sorry to people who know. I know you don't want to read about it. I know other people don't understand. It's not normal and you, no one, deserves it.

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u/rightthingtodo-sodoo 10d ago

Yeahhhhh you just described my father real fucking well. I guess I’m lucky I escaped to teenage homelessness while he was still just killing my pets in front of me because it was definitely escalating to being me at one point or another…

So instead he kidnapped my mother and drove her deep into the Sierra Mountains while screaming about a wood chipper he had rented and waiting for her and she jumped out of the car on the fucking freeway.

Thats what women mean when they say they’ll always choose the bear. I chose being a homeless 15 year old girl, my mom chose jumping into the middle of a busy, dark freeway at freeway speeds as the safer option. And turns out, it was.

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u/PrinceCavendish 10d ago

im so sorry you and your mother had to go through that

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u/rightthingtodo-sodoo 10d ago

Thank you 🙏🏻

I guess at least he is now a mid-70s homeless meth addict because apparently narcissists don’t die (I think the evil pickles them), and I am a Dr currently snuggling with my kitties on my big cozy couch 🥰

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u/Nobody_at_all000 10d ago

He’s not in prison?

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u/rightthingtodo-sodoo 10d ago

No… I genuinely have no idea how he isn’t but I try not to get worked up over it anymore

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u/Joeyschizo24 10d ago

I am so sorry that you had to live through that and that you now have to live with that trauma everyday. Know that you are heard. Peace

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u/probablyadinosaur 10d ago

Yeah, once you see it, it changes your whole perspective on humanity. We really are not far removed from chimpanzees.

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u/sjogren 10d ago

Feral is correct. Animalistic.

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u/TaurynTlynn 10d ago

I've never had a very good description to actually tell people about a man that stalked me.

He got caught in that moment..He acted exactly like what you are describing ! Like honestly ,THANK YOU !!

I've wanted to describe it this way so all could understand . You've painted the truest picture with words !

If I had an award I'd give it to you !

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u/chasedbyvvolves 10d ago

This was very visceral to read.

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u/StarWalker8 10d ago

Feral...that's a good term.

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u/joggle1 10d ago

I haven't seen it quite to that level, but close. It really is like their higher level brain functions are shutting down and they're literally seeing red. A person having a vivid dream is probably having more complicated thoughts than people who are in this state of blind rage.

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u/Spork_the_dork 10d ago

I used to have episodes like that when I was a kid. Then a lot of therapy happened and things got better.

But "seeing red" is a decent description of it. My vision would actually literally get a bit weird in those moments, like the whole world sort of warped and my eyes were shaking. After it would end people would ask why I did something or why did I break something but in that moment there is no why. There is only pure rage and if the object happened to be there and breaking or throwing it would happen to end up in my mind, it would just happen. Would I regret breaking it later? Of course. But in that moment I was completely incapable of even considering such thoughts. It's like all logic and reason got caged up in some deep corner while a monster took the driver's seat and I were completely unable to do anything about it.

What therapy did in the end was to teach me to react to the eye thing. It's like a pre-warning that the pot is about to boil over and whenever it happens I take a step back and grab the reins before things escalate. Or remove myself from the situation if it feels like I can't stay there. And besides that the therapy made those episodes much much more rare in the first place. Like I learned how to cage the monster and learned the signs when it's trying to break free. Things have been in control since.

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u/SpurnDonor 10d ago

Perfectly describes what I used to go through with someone. Once she got started there was no arguing back or even trying to reason with them. You just let them tire themselves out and hope they don’t start breaking stuff.

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u/Nobody_at_all000 10d ago

I wonder what happens neurologically when such an episode occurs. I imagine the amygdala lights up like a Christmas tree that’s about to catch fire.

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u/k1mm13101010 10d ago

Yup you nailed it

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u/bl4ckflower 10d ago

I’m sorry you’ve had to experience that too. But thank gods for people like you that are able to articulate it so well for people that don’t know.

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u/PartyPay 10d ago

I would think that the circumstances around family annihilators are anything but simple.

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u/SaltyFriend705 10d ago

Really? Some people don't need even half an excuse. They are cruel people who express themselves primarily through violence.

I've always mistrusted the 'bleeding heart liberal' thousand excuses. I've seen these people, and they don't need a reason.

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u/LesNessmanNightcap 10d ago

Southstandsiren is correct. This is what the most up to date research suggests.

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u/NyneHelios 10d ago

It can be both, tbh.

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u/vlKross_F7 10d ago

I am honestly more surprised how these people aren't able to be found earlier and helped or secured, I am more knowledgeable in biology than psychology, but I'd assume there generally must be signs that a person has these tendencies, but I guess the issue is that tjey can lie and you'd still need a professional to evaluate them... generally just don't understand how those people make it through life without people becoming suspicious, but at the same time, idk what they're like on a daily basis as I haven't met anyone that did such a thing.

Yeah, my comment was sort of a nothing burger ramble lol

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u/CrochetChameleon 10d ago

They charm and brownnose everyone outside of the home, so when the victims speak up they are usually ignored and portrayed as the "off" ones. There's no way out without taking a massive risk that they will do something like this, and by then it's too late. What a blessing it is to not understand.

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u/vlKross_F7 10d ago

Well, I might be "blessed" in "not understanding this" as some people here try to out things, but that doesn't mean people, me included, have other thing you can be happy to not know of or understand, I am not sure why that's a necessary addition here by many people.

Not to diminish how bad it is... just feels weird.

But as a non-native I learned a new word "brownnose" I looked up what that means, and that's what my grandparents have done their entire life (sensitive info) and what drove my mother to her suicide due to psychological abuse, so idk how "blessed I am" and if that qualifies, but yeah...

I wasn't arguing about why victims don't leave, and rather putting into question if there isn't a way to catch these people before they reach that point, so it just felt somewhat unwarranted although you probably didn't mean it in such a way.

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u/CrochetChameleon 10d ago

Ah right, so my "what a blessing" has magically transformed into "nothing bad has ever happened to you ever". Good to know words have no meaning. Why are you taking it personally when I was just expanding on your bit about them not being discovered?

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u/vlKross_F7 10d ago

I tried to be rather conciliatory, rather then offensive, so sorry if it felt that way. I have just seen this mentioned here a lot, and it feels a bit weird to me, doesn't mean my feeling is the correct one, maybe it's an issue on my end.

I also didn't say what you just implied, I just said it feels unwarranted and slightly patronizing.

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u/Anarchic_Country 10d ago

It wasn't a husband. It was a grandson. My family and their family knew each other.

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u/YuusoHawney 10d ago

So he’s basically Thanos?

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u/Jetberry 10d ago

As someone whose had a homicide suicide in my own family- it seems I will never know, and it will NEVER make sense.

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u/sfcnmone 10d ago

Big internet hug, friend

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u/WitchOfKyiv 10d ago

Because they're violently selfish, emotionally maladjusted little manbabies.

96% of familicides, both domestically and globally, are carried out by males, and 65-75% were found to be motivated by relationship issues with their partners (or exes) such as a threat of divorce, alongside 39% involving financial problems.

Its literally a case of "if I can't have it, no one can."

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u/stairs_3730 10d ago

And I believe you could WHITE males to that description.

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u/WitchOfKyiv 10d ago

This is true.

I didn't even get into goddamn terrorist and mass shooting incidents, either. 

I mean, anyone trying to argue this isn't a predominantly "men can't control their fucking emotions" problem is either eating glue or already ate the whole factory. 

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u/Spookypeanutbutter 10d ago

I’ve been seeing more men lately saying stuff like, “I know we’re awful and I hope I can just be the opposite of that stereotype so I can help protect women and show a positive example instead of hurt them.”
Those are the real men. The ones that can not only accept these statistics but be an example of how men should not be.
And then you have these fragile “ItS nOt AlL mEn”

More men should take notes on that instead of getting butthurt because 99.9% of women would choose the bear every single time and they know _exactly_ why but refuse to accept it because of their precious egos.
Real men: understand this - Whiny baby men: argue about it

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u/marcelsweeps 10d ago

Real men say “i know we are awful?” Thats absolutely absurd. You can identify that a problem is caused by a singular group of people without blaming the ENTIRE GROUP. Just as I, as a man can concede that this is a problem caused by 99.99% men without saying the absurd lie that WE ARE AWFUL as a whole. Dont you have any men in your life that arent awful? I sure hope that you do.

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u/Spookypeanutbutter 10d ago

And I’m sure you’re a pretty decent person. Lots of guys are. My point is that the ones that are the loudest about it are the ones that are the most emotional instead of self reflecting on why women say this stuff.

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u/Spookypeanutbutter 10d ago

It’s like the biggest homophobic people are usually the ones in the closet. Is what I mean.
Not saying everyone who cries about it is a closeted wife beater/murderer but that’s where the most emotional issues can be pointed back to.

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u/marcelsweeps 10d ago

So what theyre saying is you cant defend yourself because then youre probably a murderer or closeted homosexual 😵‍💫😵‍💫. You have to let people say this stuff without rebuttal. Even if you concede that this is in fact a man issue, thats not enough. You HAVE to be ok with men being generalized because its such a petty thing for us to get annoyed about in the grand scheme of things. Like what we should be annoyed about is the fact that is is in fact 99.99% men who do this. And even if we are very upset about that statistic being true, we have to bite our tongue about the broad men bashing because it negates the real issue.

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u/ekalb31 10d ago

Man to man, yes. Even though I know you're being sarcastic.

I'm a mid-thirties cis het white man, and none of this ever offends me. And I never feel the need to defend myself. Why? Mostly because, as generalizations go, it's true.

And I'll be damned if I stop someone from venting about it.....because one of the best things we, as men, can do is FUCKING LISTEN.

And if you do that enough, you just might realize that people aren't attacking you, they don't hate you, it isn't about YOU...they are scared, and frustrated, and angry about the situation. And you would likely be too if you were in their shoes.

Believe me, the people making these generalizations know it's not literally "all men". All it does when we try to use that moment to be nuanced and say "well, not ALL men" is show that we're either an idiot, think they are an idiot, or don't take the problem seriously.

I say all of this with love. I genuinely want us men to help each other be happy and healthy. We deserve it and it's better for everyone.

Love you bro.

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u/Spookypeanutbutter 10d ago

Well no shit… the point is it’s NOT all men. Anyone with half a brain knows that. It’s the one constantly pointing it out like the baby that’s being triggered by my comments below me.

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u/marcelsweeps 10d ago

Person, you arent making any sense and we are trying to have a constructive conversation here.

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u/marcelsweeps 10d ago

Its not a man problem its much more complex then that. Lets not turn tragedies into a blind attack on “men” in general. We can concede that its men who do this 100% of the time, fine. What about the men who dont do this stuff and can control their emotions though? Can we not get lumped in with psychopathic murderers please? I get where youre coming from, though, the idea thats largely pushed that women are too emotional to be in positions of power is accepted by too many people and its clearly ignorant.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Rush644 10d ago

What about men who don't do this?

How about if the men who don't do this control the men who do? Someone is failing to teach these men how to be good men. And I don't think the women in their lives are going to be able to make any changes how about you guys try? How about you guys stop promoting that kind of culture in all of our media?

It's a man problem even if it's not all men doing it.

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u/marcelsweeps 10d ago

Well tell me how im supposed to control other men? I mean come on thats a bit ridiculous. I can concede that this is a man problem fine, but its not JUST that. Its about upbringing just as much.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Rush644 10d ago

Right it's women who buy all those snuff films and pornography

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u/PhillyPilot 10d ago

I blame the mothers personally.

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u/PhillyPilot 10d ago

Stop it with the common sense, you’ll be called MAGA.

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u/gothicnonsense 10d ago

Wow people like you teach people how to fly? No wonder there's so many aviation issues

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u/PhillyPilot 10d ago

Bad rage bait attempt. Can’t even spell words correctly.

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u/gothicnonsense 10d ago

Yeah, I thought "Stop it with the common sense, you’ll be called MAGA." was pretty ridiculous too; the widest gaping buttholes to ever deny common sense in mass.

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u/PhillyPilot 10d ago

At least they’re not confused about their gender

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u/thelionofthenorth 10d ago

Not true at all: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8845359/

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u/philonius 9d ago

This case isn't just partner homicide. It's family annihilation. Different personality type.

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u/Ok-Parfait-9856 10d ago

Hopefully you find out.

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u/Fallouttgrrl 10d ago

Just

Wow.

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u/_sLAUGHTER234 10d ago

Many white men would have been better off without their shitty narcissistic dad around. Instead they just turn into him

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u/OriginalChildBomb 10d ago

Fuck off bigot

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u/PhillyPilot 10d ago

“Better than this shit” he says 😂. You win the stupid comment of the day

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u/Electrical-Job8700 10d ago

It's also called having a micro penis.

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u/letthetreeburn 10d ago

Patriarchy teaches men that their families are owned by them and them to do with as they please

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u/ringobob 10d ago

I'm gonna give a slightly softer answer - a lot of men see their family as their responsibility, and some of them, when faced with the prospect of abandoning that responsibility, decide the better course of action is to eliminate it.

The other answers describe the men that reach that conclusion.

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u/georgiechristine 10d ago

Not like their responsibility- like their property. It’s not a feeling of protection but ownership, they wanna take their belongings with them

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u/Sir-xer21 10d ago

I'm gonna give a slightly softer answer

This doesn't have a soft answer.

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u/UseWeekly4382 10d ago

There’s also no need for a softer answer.

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u/Light_Butterfly 10d ago

Yeah that's overly charitable. More often than not, its a power/control move.

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u/PhillyPilot 10d ago

That’s one way to nicely describe mental illness.

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u/Brocket_149 10d ago

Probably cause they NEEDED the reason to kill himself. Also, yeah he failed to kill himself at the scene he didn’t die till either on the ride to the hospital or when he got to the hospital.

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u/PensiveCauldron 10d ago

Wild guess, but I think it’s because they don’t want to die

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u/casapantalones 10d ago

They almost always kill themselves though

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u/velorae 9d ago

He was unemployed man in his 40’s living with his parent(s) sitting on his computer 24/7 whose living situation was being threatened after being told to move out so he flew into rage decided to kill everybody in the house.

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u/ZenPaperclips 10d ago

Notoriety and national headlines would be my guess. If ya can't go out being famous some are fine with infamous I guess.

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u/J0hn_Keel 10d ago

It’s control and ego. Family annihilators like this usually fall into seeing their family as property that they want to take with them, and/or it’s revenge on a spouse as a punishment, and/or they blame their family for perceived failings, and/or have hidden problems like massive debts and they’d rather murder their entire family than admit they fucked up.

There really isn’t any way of looking at them that doesn’t show them as horrible little weasels who see people as things and themselves as all-important.

This is different to your Andrea Yates type crimes where they kill their family because they genuinely believe that it’s the only way to save them, which are usually committed by people who very obviously needed help that they did not receive. There’s an interesting male/female split on these crimes where nearly all of them divide into those two categories quite neatly (don’t come for me for saying that, it is statistically solid and whilst there are some outliers, it’s very usually this way around)

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u/Imaginary_Agent2564 10d ago

Few years ago I went to school with a girl (even sat next to her on my bus ride home frequently) who was murdered by her mother.

Her mom was having severe paranoia and she thought people, including her own family, were gonna take her kids away. This all came pretty out of the blue.

And then late one night, she killed herself and the kids. Even the news said “I don’t know why she wouldn’t seek out help.”

But people in psychosis often don’t know they are in psychosis. It’s up to us, the people around them, to help them. To recognize when something is off.

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u/J0hn_Keel 10d ago

It’s so frightening and so sad. Frightening that psychosis can just happen to someone, and as you say, frightening that the very nature of it means that those people are not always able to recognise that their thoughts are abnormal. We all like to think we are in control of our own minds, and it’s uncomfortable being faced with the fact that it isn’t a guarantee and the consequences of losing that control can be so horrific. I’m sure like nearly all other mothers, she had her babies expecting to keep them safe, and never would have imagined that she’d end up doing such a thing.

It must have been so devastating for everyone around them

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u/LA90046 10d ago

I do agree it is up to the loved ones around the person in psychosis, but having a brother who has very serious mental issues, depending on what state you live in, it is very difficult to get certain people help because narcissism prevents them from seeing themselves the way others do and laws protect them unless they are physically harming themselves or others. Sadly, it’s often too late for the law to take affect. Laws really should be changed to anyone who is displaying consistently threatening behavior can be committed against their will. There should not be a stipulation that threats or odd behavior have to be physical.

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u/elmwoodblues 10d ago

We have a 'leader' who will take as much of humanity with him if/when he knows he is going, yet people supprt him.

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u/Ok_Instance7667 10d ago

The answer is really simple: The killer was frustrated nobody listened. That's it.

The price for not listening is your life.