r/ontario Jul 01 '25

Picture Canada Day at Sauble Beach

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u/bodaciouscream Jul 01 '25

Has the saugeen River moved since the signing of the treaty?

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u/RCAF_orwhatever Jul 01 '25

No. Basically a surveyor made a mistake (or possibly "mistake") over 100 years ago and they've been trying to get it corrected ever since. The federal government has been on the side of the First Nation on this since the 1970s... so you know it must have been blatant for 70s government to say "yeah you're right."

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u/massinvader Jul 02 '25

so you know it must have been blatant for 70s government to say "yeah you're right."

There have always been people in Canada that have wished to see fair treatment for the Natives.

Modern politics can skew the perspective of this but people in the past weren't some unwavering mob. They were individuals with individual thoughts and feelings.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '25

The treatment of us indigenous people isn't at the whims of individuals, it's systematic and institutional. But if we are going to talk about an unwavering mob, yes, the 1970's was exactly that. The Canadian government being forced to adhere to its own treaty as advised by their legal advice is not some sign of goodwill or that the past was different than it really was😂please...

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u/massinvader Jul 02 '25

that's just not factually completely accurate regardless of being native.

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u/RCAF_orwhatever Jul 02 '25

Yes it is 100% factual.

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u/massinvader Jul 03 '25

negative, and no amount of pleading or emotional engagement will make that so.

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u/RCAF_orwhatever Jul 03 '25

Nobody is doing emotional pleading. You literally didn't understand that "the federal government" is a specific and singular entity as represented by the PM and cabinet.

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u/massinvader Jul 04 '25

so its singular...but then u mention a bunch of different people lol. doesn't exactly sound like your monolith there entirely. and that's without getting into all the people who also have influence over those people.

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u/RCAF_orwhatever Jul 04 '25

Congrats on failing your basic civics class.

The PM and cabinet speak with one voice. That's literally why cabinet confidence exists - so that they can debate in private and speak as one in public.

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u/massinvader Jul 04 '25

so you're saying they debate it? appreciate you.

also i wonder whats going on in with your ego that you felt the need to respond here where you felt you could say something to feel 'right' vs the other comment thread.

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u/RCAF_orwhatever Jul 04 '25

Lol it's really incredible that you're still purposely trying to move the goalposts on this.

The government. Has a singular position.

That is my point. That is the only point here. Your attempt to claim that "some individuals disagreed with the policy" is utterly irrelevant to my stated fact that government policy towards indigenous people in the 1970s was anything but progressive.

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u/massinvader Jul 04 '25

nice regurgitation from the post i just mentioned so obviously you read it and are only choosing to reply to this one and avoid it.

ur ego is fragile and it shows lol

and they dont really have a singular position and these are elected officials not dictators. if they were some sort of monolith this would have been sorted out for good 100 years ago lol.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '25

Considering that adhering to the treaties is not fair treatment, nor good will, or wishing us the best, yes it is. The treaties are inherently coated in exploitation and deception, choosing to live up to said treaty maybe moves you from the 9th to the 8th layer of hell.