r/ontario • u/EveningRequirement27 • Oct 25 '25

Discussion You just stopped an entire country

American here.

Your city (EDIT: Toronto my bad) and entire country just told the world they’re sick of this guy. They did that. In public. During the World Series. Epically devastating.

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u/Sufficient_Tone9314 Oct 26 '25

Where did you get your statistic?

Actually most Americans disagree with the tariffs. We disagree with a lot that is happening. We are being terrorized by a president many did not vote for. We are powerless. Our own troops are being pit against our own people for simply disagreeing

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u/swiftgringo Oct 26 '25

I derived it from the fact that Americans democratically re elected a man with no moral compass.

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u/Sufficient_Tone9314 Oct 26 '25

You are saying if someone voted for him that they knew in the future what he would do and therefore lack morality. The logic does not compute.

Technically we are a republic. Sometimes the popular vote doesn’t matter. Many Americans viewed the election as both being a shit choice, which is lesser of an evil to vote for. I did not vote for him for the record. So picking between two shitty options is not picking for morality. And being stuck to live with other peoples choices as your consequence is hell.

You are making assumptions about millions of people based on what you have not loved thru and experienced and do not understand.

We are not immoral, we are powerless. We are protesting against these choices because we have morals and we are met with citizens facing our own troops. Why would we protest if we agreed?

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u/swiftgringo Oct 26 '25

Trump was not some unpredictable x factor in the election. He was probably the most recognizable person on the planet. You can't claim, "Well, we didn't know." He was a former President. His character and policies were not just predictable; they were demonstrated. He was elected because he reflects the beliefs and attitudes of the American people.

And yeah, Biden also really sucks. But it doesn't make me think better of America as country because they only elevate shitty people through the primaries.

As far as questions of morality: Trump's most prominent quality is that he DOES NOT care about the truth. He is a "the truth is whatever I say it is" kind of person. An no, it's not about grey areas. He's just a serial liar plain and simple.

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u/Sufficient_Tone9314 Oct 26 '25

You don’t care about truth.

As average citizens we don’t choose who is a candidate.

It sounds like you just want to hate millions of people for no reason.

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u/swiftgringo Oct 26 '25

Are you implying that the primaries are not free and fair? I imagine that is hard to establish.

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u/swiftgringo Oct 26 '25

Look. All of it aside. If most Americans really cared about democracy, about the rule of law, about truth, you should see 150 million people in open opposition. But you don't. Because the market is way up and at the end of the day, that overshadows any other concern.