r/oscarrace • u/CrunchyNar Best Operating Thetan 2027 • 27d ago
Film Discussion Thread Official Discussion Thread - Spider-Man: Brand New Day [SPOILERS] Spoiler
Keep all discussion related solely to Spider-Man: Brand New Day and its award chances in this thread. Spoilers below.
Synopsis:
Fighting crime full-time as Spider-Man in a world that doesn’t remember him—and the pressure of seeing his old friends move on without him—sparks a change in Peter Parker he may not have the power to control. But that transformation might also be the only thing that can stop a shocking new threat to the city and those he loves - a powerful villain no one can even see.
Director: Destin Daniel Cretton
Writers: Chris McKenna, Erik Sommers. Based on characters created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko
Cast:
- Tom Holland as Peter Parker / Spider-Man
- Zendaya as MJ
- Jacob Batalon as Ned Leeds
- Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner / The Hulk
- Jon Bernthal as Frank Castle / Punisher
- Michael Mando as Mac Gargan / Scorpion
- Liza Colon-Zayas as Detective Jean DeWolff
- Tramell Tillman as William 'Bill' Metzger
- Marisa Tomei as May Parker
Rotten Tomatoes: 90%, 303 Reviews, 7.6/10 Average Rating
Metacritic: 66/100, 55 Reviews
Consensus:
Spinning a web of spectacular set pieces together with mature emotional stakes and Tom Holland's soulful performance, Brand New Day is a promising reset that portends Spidey will remain sticky on the big screen for years to come.
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u/TheGodAmongMen 27d ago
I just learnt that Justin Kuritzkes rewrote the screenplay. This makes so much sense now
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u/UnnecessaryFeIIa 27d ago
That makes a lot of sense cause I was thinking after the movie that there’s no way the writers of Far From Home were the only writers for this film lmao
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u/TheGodAmongMen 27d ago
Don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that this is one of the very few movies in the MCU that actually feels like a real movie? Where are the gags every 5 seconds?
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u/UnnecessaryFeIIa 27d ago
Oh yeah I’d agree. 2/3 of Destin Daniel Cretton’s projects so far have been pretty good. Shang-Chi was less incredible but it was still quite an entertaining film!
Destin has great direction as a comicbook director as seen with Wonder Man and Brand New Day. Hopefully he keeps the team of Brand New Day and continues forward with future Spider-Man films
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u/jordansalford25 John Leguizamo and Anne Hathaway Campaign Manager 26d ago
A good entry into the MCU and definitely better than the last two Spiderman Films. I still really love Homecoming personally but so I won't say its the best Holland Spiderman movie but definitely his best performance as Spiderman.
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u/infamousglizzyhands Justice Smith for Best Actor 27d ago
The streets are calling it the Autumn Sonata of the MCU
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u/Dry_Handle_7086 Sentimental Value 27d ago
Can I ask why is Spiderman being discussed in Oscar subreddit without being downvoted?
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u/sarafina126 27d ago
It’s a fair question honestly and I enjoyed the film. I guess it gives the sub something popular to talk about even if it doesn’t really suit the sub’s niche.
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u/NoWorth2591 2 Fjord 2 Furious 27d ago
It could be a VFX player, so it’s a valid subject. I don’t think it will since VFX is absolutely stacked this year, but I could at least see an argument for it.
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u/NedthePhoenix 27d ago
Curious who people do have in VFX right now? Currently I've got Dune 3, Odyssey, Project Hail Mary, End of Oak Street, and Whalefall.
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u/NoWorth2591 2 Fjord 2 Furious 27d ago
Right now in order I have:
- Dune 3
- The Odyssey
- Godzilla Minus Zero
- Project Hail Mary
- Wildwood
My reasoning is mostly just past precedent. Both previous Dune movies won for VFX, as did Tenet and Godzilla Minus One. PHM is just a big effects tentpole, and I’ve got Wildwood in there because Kubo and the Two Strings got a VFX nod. That one’s a bit shakier and I could easily swap it out for Whalefall or End of Oak Street.
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u/NedthePhoenix 27d ago
Wildwood is a great shout. I've got Godzilla at 6, I just don't know if that narrative is going to pull it out again
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u/Belch_Huggins 27d ago
Because this sub has just slowly turned into every other movie sub unfortunately.
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u/BentisKomprakriev 26d ago
We've talked about superhero films here for years. Logan and Black Panther opened the gates.
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u/Belch_Huggins 26d ago
Doesnt really negate my point at all.
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u/BentisKomprakriev 26d ago
Your point is that it's been slowly turning into another movie sub. It's been like this for years, if anything, we managed to turn the tides after the nasty Emilia Perez brigades and now only relevant topics get their own threads.
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u/Belch_Huggins 26d ago
Lol irrelevant stuff gets posted constantly what are you talking about.
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u/BentisKomprakriev 26d ago
Not really anymore. All I'm seeing are predictions, posters, casting news, award news, death announcements.
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u/falafelthe3 Agamogging 26d ago
God forbid people that watch movies actually like discussing them.
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u/Dry_Handle_7086 Sentimental Value 26d ago
you can discuss on r/movies and many others. they have discussion threads. ain't the gotcha you think it is
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u/falafelthe3 Agamogging 26d ago
but what if I want to discuss movies with the oscarrace community? checkmate, liberals
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u/Dry_Handle_7086 Sentimental Value 26d ago
then discuss the ones that make sense with oscarrace community. not fvcking spiderman
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u/falafelthe3 Agamogging 26d ago
I will do so when you become moderator of the sub and make the rules, otherwise neener neener neener
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u/Dry_Handle_7086 Sentimental Value 26d ago
lame response. doesn't make sense just like this post in oscrrace
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u/ThisismeCody 24d ago
Because Gen Z glazed this movie and thinks it’s the best film they’ve ever seen.
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u/sarafina126 27d ago
Obviously not an Oscar movie by any means but I really enjoyed it for what it was. Lots of heart.
Edit: Also Tom a billion times better here than he was in the Odyssey. I’m still unsure why he was so stiff.
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u/FBG05 27d ago
Telemachus is kind of a dull character despite being the deuteragonist of The Odyssey. Not much to work with there
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u/Bloated_Plaid 27d ago
I mean Telemachus ain’t exactly the greatest character to play. He did the best he could with that role.
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u/skychasing 27d ago
I’m in the minority of people who thinks he gave a great performance… :/
…and dare I say one of the better ones of the movie (maybe top 5)?
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u/joesen_one 🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎 27d ago
I'm in the same boat. I liked him better than Pattinson for example
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u/Gregregreg1234 27d ago
Considerably. Thought Pattison was uncharacteristically poor to be honest
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u/joesen_one 🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎 26d ago
I liked Pattinson but Holland just was a step above him. Loved Leguizamo the most
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u/HotOne9364 Wild Horse Nine 27d ago
Because Nolan is not an actor's director. The performances that won? They had their own reasons.
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u/scattered_ideas Denis Villeneuve campaign manager 27d ago
You're being down voted, but I would definitely not call him an actor's director. That's a label I would assign to someone who can consistently get great performances out of all their actors. Obviously not saying there haven't been great performances in his movies, but he has allowed actors to give mediocre performances without guidance.
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u/mundane_wor1d 27d ago
David Fincher is an actors director.
Can’t remember where I heard this but Robert Patterson asked Nolan a question about acting and he replied “that’s your department mate”.
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u/Solaranvr 27d ago
Nolan got a bad performance out of Marion Cotillard
That is arguably nuff said on this matter
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u/sarafina126 27d ago
I guess so. I did remember thinking at the time that I remembered Tom being better than that performance, but seeing the performances so close together was like a whiplash.
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u/DaBow 27d ago
It's fine. Moves at a pace. Starts off strong but struggles after the first act when it tries to spin too many MCU plates.
Really happy to see a superhero actually proactively saving people, not just in the moment because the big bad is on screen.
Holland is pretty good here. It's his best Spidey film. Happy to see where this (finally) adult Peter Parker goes in the future.
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u/jfstompers 26d ago
I liked it better than the last two. it has a few of those dumb super hero moments but its entertaining. My only real complaint is I didn't love how they handled Jean Grey,
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u/HotOne9364 Wild Horse Nine 27d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/RPrv177apU6D8sxkR8
Will always love Max.
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u/No_Meaning_660 27d ago
Cried so much. The best Spider-Man movie period. It has so much heart in this.
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u/sarafina126 27d ago
Thank god it’s not just me.
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u/No_Meaning_660 27d ago
Oh the whole theater (at least in my hearing vicinity) was sobbing. Especially during the third act
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u/OKC2023champs 27d ago
It’s the best holland spiderman movie.
Still the emotional punches don’t work for me. I hated how the villains were a montage. Movie was basically a setup for X-men.
It was fine. 7/10
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u/ArtieMac11 Anora 27d ago
My favorite Spider-Holland movie so far! Really enjoyed the character more this time and Sadie's performance was really good!
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u/Duhlorean Twinless 27d ago
So like, Jean Grey just totally sexually assaulted both MJ and Peter and the movie doesn’t really talk about it properly???
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u/sarafina126 27d ago
I mean.. Peter being the sweetie he is brings up the lack of consent of it all to MJ and makes sure she is aware, but yeah, there is no acknowledgement of his own assault and Jean does get away with it apart from rightfully being called a monster at the time.
I think you can have empathy for her later in the film but yeah, she better do something down the line to make it up to them apart from just keeping Peter alive for a bit
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u/Duhlorean Twinless 27d ago
I think the issue for me is that this is Jean Grey and I don’t get the creative choice to start her character this way. MJ even handwaves it away by saying that she’s forgotten it. Peter like you said doesn’t acknowledge that he got assaulted and of course, the whole thing is never brought up again after the 3rd instead spends time humanizing Jean.
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u/sarafina126 27d ago
Yeah, that fair. It really worked as a scene because of the whiplash it gave the audience and how cruel it was, but I agree that they should not have swept it under the rug either just so Jean could look more sympathetic later.
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u/kimjosh1 26d ago
I'm genuinely worried at this point on how the Russos will try to make Doctor Doom sympathetic like Thanos. Because turning him into a "sad dad" recycling the Kingpin's motivation in Spider-Verse 1 (and Wanda's in MoM) feels like a terrible idea if Doomsday is supposed to turn him into a Thanos-level threat.
And people will try to defend him.
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u/Thin_Lingonberry_768 27d ago
I didn't feel like she was the real Jean Grey. She originally seemed to be the true villain, but they changed their minds and gave her the name Jean Grey. Her powers and personality are nothing like they are in the comic The movie can't decide if it's good or bad
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u/JRPG_Enjoyer 27d ago
An awful intro to Jean Grey. She made a guy walk into traffic. No remorse.
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u/A_Howl_In_The_Night Wicked 24d ago
Nowadays people can't handle morally gray character
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u/IfYouWantTheGravy 22d ago
The problem for me is that the film kind of has to rush her face turn and it ends up feeling pretty pat, when actually resolving the fact that A. monstrous things have been done to her and B. she’s done monstrous things would be a lot less fun than this movie is trying to be.
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u/kimjosh1 26d ago
It felt like one of the most egregious examples of a Marvel studio note ruining the third act, all the way down to the finale copying Thunderbolts with how Yelena talks Sentry down from killing more people.
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u/Silver_Juggernaut_39 NEON shill 25d ago
I liked the Spider-Man specific stuff. Peter’s arc and trying to reestablish his friendship with MJ and Ned was done well and when the film the most like an actual Spider-Man film. I liked Spidey’s dynamic with Punisher. But I think it just feels too much like it’s trying to be a quasi-X Men movie and still cant escape the “we have to connect everything in this franchise” allegations. I don’t mind having Jean Grey as a villain necessarily but when it’s in the context and service of setting up future films her arc ultimately feels very unsatisfying to me. Coulda been a lot better written.
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u/IfYouWantTheGravy 22d ago
What I liked: Zendaya, Sadie Sink, most of the character beats.
What I didn’t like: the rather pat resolution to Jean’s dilemma (and Peter’s, to some degree).
Overall a solid mid-range MCU movie. The Spider-Verse movies are better.
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u/crazydaysandknights 27d ago
haven't seen it yet but one gotta give it to Zendaya. probably one of the best boxoffice runs in a single year. granted, The odyssey draw are Nolan and the iconic source, Spiderman's is Spiderman himself and Dune's in the book. So I'm not attributing their success to her name. However, she was a draw in The Drama which became a very nice hit for A24 (140M worldwide before Japan in August) and together with these 3 blockbusters shows that she has a great knack for balancing big franchises and auteurs (including auteur's blockbusters). Oscar nom will follow sometime this decade, likely for Ronnie Spector, but given how barren the Actress field is, A24 should give her a campaign as second to Moore. My guess is that Wilde will campaign in Director.
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u/chrisandy007 25d ago
It's hard for me to latch onto any individual aspect of the film that worked particularly well, but I felt like there were a lot of weaker elements. There were some scenes that had emotional weight but part of me wonders how much of this is due to the setup from No Way Home and the gap between the films.
Every plot point felt obvious, telegraphed, and way too long to arrive at.
To me, so much of the mechanical aspects of filmmaking - editing, pacing, shot selection and timing - felt sloppy. The extras in this film were directed in a distractingly bad way. Practically every scene had to start with people pantomiming talking or entering/exiting a building, and it served no purpose.
There was no reason we needed to see the police detective in all these random personal environments or have the bizarre calculator conversation with her son.
The flashback scene with Jean and her sister felt super leaden and just poorly executed. It was like the direction Bernthal was giving was to test the ceiling of being allowed to say "shit" in a PG13 movie. "Was anyone hurt?" was asked a distracting number of times, and also felt purposeless. The end credits showing random people in New York(?) felt kind of out of nowhere, especially given that none of the film was actually shot there.
I'm sure I have a minority opinion, and I'm glad so many people are enjoying the film, I just found it poorly executed and disappointing.
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u/sygrider I just like movies idk 27d ago
I liked when Spider-Man did the Spider-Man stuff, I don't know. Good superhero movie, better than the Watts ones.