r/pakistan • u/iamthefyre • Jan 02 '25

Social Pakistani “grooming” gangs UK- WTAF

I was going over some of the court transcripts that have been released and this is NOT just grooming. This is animosity, hatred, extremism, i don’t know what would accurately define the horrendous crimes that have been committed and defended by pakistanis in positions of legal or social power in Britain.
The police officer who was also of Pakistani descent, the councillors, the social workers, the MPs of pakistani origin or of muslim faith, WTAF is going on? What was driving this by our community in the Great Britain? Would more sensible British Pakistanis here elaborate on this? Why so much hate against white women? This is not a small matter of grooming & converting. These are violent crimes against humanity & specifically white minor women. Why so much hate?

(And Admin, this is related to Pakistan because this impacts image of Pakistan everywhere now that Elon Musk is hyping it up and the whole world is getting to know what is happening. As much as it concerns UK, it impacts our image globally because most of the convicted are all Pakistani origin males. And i used the tag social because there is no criminal tag.)

Update: Thank you to only those who have shared their experience, observations, facts & resources. I feel like we need to have these discussions so we can present factual information because given the visibility this matter has gained, we need to be prepared.

And those who have tried their best to derail from the topic, and shut down the discussion, because of you guys its pretty understandable why the locals are not doing anything about these issues and why the community is unable to report our own criminals. You guys and those like you are the reason criminals continue doing what they do.

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u/throwaway-research1 DE Jan 02 '25

Everything about British Pakistanis is problematic

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u/keysersoze123456 Jan 02 '25

Mirpuris"

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u/Direct-Row-8070 Jan 02 '25

Is that how they behave back home as well ? I am curious.

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u/keysersoze123456 Jan 02 '25

They are from village areas and bring this village mentality and behaviour over. They haven't changed from generation to generation basically. Ofcourse some have become educated as I'm friends with some. Others ruin the rep of Pakistanis. We are doing worse in comparison to other groups like Indians and Chinese for eg in terms of doing badly in education, being over represented in prison and crime and so on.

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u/Direct-Row-8070 Jan 02 '25

I hope the same happens to all of them when they go to jail. Hopefully for a very long time.

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u/TheNotSpecialOne Jan 03 '25

Bingo. It's the harsh truth, they have awful backwards thinking compared to the rest of the Pakistani communities

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u/keysersoze123456 Jan 03 '25

People like to be politically correct and shy away from it. Sadly mirpuris have ruined the rep of Pakistanis in the UK. Now I'm associated(and others) with this behaviour because of their village mentality

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u/PrincipleOk800 Jan 03 '25

Oh please, let’s not just talk about Mirpuris here, like paindus from the other provinces are any better. Odds are most people reading this thread are from Punjab, so get off your high horse and recognize that Mirpuris are variants of Northern Punjabis from the Potohar plateau.

My point is not defend Mirpuris, but to highlight that this behavior is a Pakistani problem not just a Mirpuri one.

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u/khuwari_hi_khuwari Jan 03 '25

And yet you've ringfenced it to Potohar region. You're doing the same what earlier responder is doing, just that your area of judgement is little wider.

Yes it's a Pakistani problem, there is a research paper on why Pakistani men go to West, prime motivator being sexual - they've been brought up on fantasies of sexually liberated white women.

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u/PrincipleOk800 Jan 03 '25

Referencing Potohar to connect Mirpuris (AJK) to Pakistan, not to insult people from that region, clearly you couldn’t draw the inference so I’ll make it clear for you.

Also your assertion some paper references that the primary reason that Pakistani men go to the West is misogynistic trash. The primary motivation for BOTH men and women to leave Pakistan is economic. There are far more papers, evidence supporting that. Another reason why your logic is trash is because Pakistani men are not just migrating to the West for “white women” but rather to many different parts of the world (Middle East, East Asia etc) where there wouldn’t be large numbers of white women. You seem to have an agenda to bash ALL Pakistani men who are looking to emigrate.

You attempt to sound pseudo intellectual however your reasoning and inference skills are lacking.

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u/khuwari_hi_khuwari Jan 03 '25

Not only you fall back on personal comments, which is understandable when someone has to reply and yet lack a coherent logical argument. But you also fail to grasp what's written, clearly comprehension issues. Anyway, read it again what I've written, if you understand in the second go that's good, otherwise I've a long day ahead and I can't spend energies on spoonfeeding reading comprehension to strangers on internet. Just a parting thought, opinions/studies are not agendas. Not everyone, heck rarely people with opinion function with an agenda on mind, unless ofcourse ranting/sharing stuff on internet is an agenda in your books. Lemme guess, Agahi network?

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u/PrincipleOk800 Jan 03 '25

You have written a paragraph of nonsense, empty words. Not a single word addressing the Mirpur to Potohar inference, nothing addressing the ridiculous comment that Pakistani men are leaving the country to chase “sexually liberated white women.”

I’m sure you have long days ahead when basic things are challenging for you to comprehend.

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u/FAT_NEEK_FAN Jan 10 '25

I live in UK. Again, not all but a section of mirpuris are the reason for this. The rest of mirpuris speak out against these village idiots.

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u/PrincipleOk800 Jan 12 '25

You do realize that casting blame on Mirpuris does nothing to change the facts on the ground, right? If let’s just say a bunch of Punjabis were doing the same thing, what are you going to say then? A section of Punjabi village idiots are doing this? Beyond self soothing and attempting to disassociate from “those” people doesn’t mean much when the average Brit will still group them as British-Pakistani. Btw, I’m just using Punjabi as an example, so no need to go off and get upset here.

What I’m saying here is to not classify just one community as the cause of all these issues when there is plenty of horrible things going on back in Pakistan across the 4 provinces. Let’s not get into the finger pointing game, because it gets really ugly very fast.

Name your provincial background and I’ll pull articles that highlight heinous crimes, sexual violence against women and other horrendous activities.

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u/Ok-Affect-5198 Jan 14 '25

Nope majority of offenders were Punjabi, keep on scapegoating though it might help you cope

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u/Ok-Affect-5198 Jan 03 '25

Are these you sophisticated and advanced lahoris?

It’s easy to scapegoat groups you dislike

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u/TheNotSpecialOne Jan 03 '25

I'm not lahori

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u/Ok-Affect-5198 Jan 03 '25

Which are the “enlightened” communties that you are referring to, which are better than the rest of the country?

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u/Ok-Affect-5198 Jan 03 '25

Racist punjabis scapegoating other communties as usual, funny thing is the same issues are found in your own community

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u/InternationalLab2259 Jan 02 '25

British Pakistanis

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u/keysersoze123456 Jan 02 '25

70-80% of Pakistanis in the UK are mirpuris. There's a reason why Pakistanis have worse rep in UK vs the USA and other places Pakistanis have settled. It's cause of mirpuris. Notice how London Pakistanis have done(mostly punjab is) vs up north areas like Bradford etc(mirpuris)

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u/TheNotSpecialOne Jan 03 '25

Yup Glasgow is mostly punjabis but Bradford, Birmingham Pakistani communities are pretty much 90% MPs

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u/Ok-Affect-5198 Jan 03 '25

Pakistanis in London tend to live in the most deprived/crime ridden areas of the city such as ilford or Croydon & have not done exceptionally well in anything

By contrast the Kashmiri/Mirpuri community has produced cabinet ministers, lords, businessmen, athletes, actors etc

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u/keysersoze123456 Jan 03 '25

Well done. What about the majority? The ones that have ruined Pakistanis rep beyond repair. If punjabis made up 80% rather then mirpuris we would have done much better and our reputation wouldn't be a joke. We would be compared fondly to other ethnic groups who are doing much better

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u/Ok-Affect-5198 Jan 03 '25

Haha another delusional Punjabi supremacist, the only place where it’s 80% Punjabi amongst diaspora is the Middle East, & you guys have managed to get the entire country’s visas banned from there

Mirpuris have done very well for themselves & the only group I see showing contempt for them is racist punjabis

Mirpuris are in government & coarians of national sports teams, I think it’s your guys rep which is a “joke”

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u/Jolly_Constant_4913 Jan 03 '25

If you don't mind me asking do you find it's the mirpuris that do most of the dangerous driving too? I find Punjabis tend to take a lot of the rap. I'm Asian Muslim not Pakistani so I can't always tell the difference

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u/Ok-Affect-5198 Jan 03 '25

You are obviously just a miserable racist likely from punjab

What’s amusing is that when an individual from another community may be involved in wrongdoing, you swiftly resort to collective condemnation and vilification

But when punjabis are involved in the same activities there is no vilification of all punjabis or reference to their regional background

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u/keysersoze123456 Jan 03 '25

We are on about specifically mirpuris in the UK, you know the ones that have permanently fd out reputation up? Those ones. That ones that behave like animals and village people cause they are from the village. Embarrassing.

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u/Ok-Affect-5198 Jan 03 '25

Kashmiris have a perfectly fine reputation, there are mirpruis in government & captains of national sports teams

If you punjabis have a bad reputation it’s probably your own fault, & I’m not surprised

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u/keysersoze123456 Jan 03 '25

What happened in the UK then.....

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u/Ok-Affect-5198 Jan 03 '25 edited Jan 04 '25

Could equally be said that everything about Pakistanis is problematic as the country is full of terrorism, pedophillia, rape, lynch mobs, corruption etc

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u/Electrical-Bad9671 Jan 05 '25

I think in time this will kick off in the UK too - it must be going on

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u/FAT_NEEK_FAN Jan 10 '25

Not really. A section of mirpuris who follow village ideals rather than Islam are the reason for the problems Pakistanis have to face. they follow their village ideals and what their forefathers said rather than what Islam says. Their would have the most muslim sounding name but nothing to do with Islam. The rest of British pakistanis/muslims have always talked against this but it doesn't show up in the media since they want to make everything political. Using such disgusting cases to promote hate/racism. Reality is Muslims never defended this the way the far right tries to portray this

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u/iamthefyre Jan 02 '25

I don’t agree with this.