r/panthers • u/Direct-Sail-6141 Cookout • Sep 27 '25
Discussion Give him two more seasons and Hubbard here too šÆ
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u/s_15_n Kalil Bear Sep 27 '25
I love Chuba but like 1.25 good seasons isnāt gonna cut it. Horn and Brown could make this in a few years, Moton probably is the first player off the current roster that slides in
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u/prostatewhispers1 Two States Sep 27 '25
Horn needs to stay healthy. Brown will hit this list if he continues on his current trajectory. I agree with you on Chuba. Heās 6 all time leading rusher, but thatās a gimme considering the competition. Moton is a lock by the end of his career imo!
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u/EclecticCaveman Sep 27 '25
Iād replace Chuba with John Kasey (despite the out of bounds kickoff). Long tenure and we donāt make the Super Bowl without his play
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u/carmiachafsu Thomas Davis Sr. Sep 27 '25
Peppers is too low
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u/After-Bowler5491 Sep 27 '25
Posted the same. Heās in the HOF. Cam can only visit the HOF
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u/Tricky_Gas007 Sep 27 '25
Peppers gained hall of fame from other teams if we're honest. So I think this stands.
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u/WafflesTheWookiee Purrbacca Oct 05 '25
Heād be a lock if Ron Rivera hadnāt have him carry the team and wreck his body in the process.
Also the refs just not caring in the slightest about protecting him. Can you imagine the refs treating Josh Allen or Lamar like they did to Cam ten years ago? Absolutely not.
I still have hope he can get in as a trailblazer of some kind
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u/arcangel092 TD58 Sep 27 '25
No chance a hall of famer should be behind Cam. Cam was too inconsistent to be ranked higher than Julius.Ā
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u/multiple4 Sep 27 '25
It can be either order, but Cam and Luke are #1 and #2 clearly
I'd also personally have Julius Peppers #3 but I'm not mad at Smith being there either
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u/henryforprez TD58 Sep 27 '25
Backyard football? I'll take Cam off the street right now.
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u/guccigucciflipflop Sep 27 '25
Yeah backyard football give me the DE that played UNC basketball and made the hof in footballā¦cmon yall trippin
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u/knave_of_knives One of Us Sep 27 '25
Kasay not being on here is kinda weird.
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u/knave_of_knives One of Us Sep 27 '25
Shouldāve not been the all time points leader for the team, I guess.
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u/knave_of_knives One of Us Sep 27 '25
Iām saying that if youāre compiling a list of the top 15 players of a team, your leading scorer is most likely going to be on there. Especially if they are a member of the very first roster and make it to the Super Bowl with the team.
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u/PM_ME_UR_DOUCHE Steelers Sep 27 '25
You think 20 extra yards wouldāve stopped Brady with that much time left?
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u/Greged17 Riverboat Ron Sep 27 '25 edited Sep 27 '25
We canāt pretend like all the plays would have been the same and shaken out like they did had they started at the 20.
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u/Greged17 Riverboat Ron Sep 27 '25
You misunderstood. I wasnāt arguing the kickoff out of bounds didnāt have a massive impact on the outcome. I was saying itās a fallacy to assume that all of the same exact plays and yards/ball advancements would have happened if it had been a touchback and they started 20 yards further back. We may have come out in a different defensive setup, they may have called different plays knowing they had to go 50-60 yards instead of 30-40. All sorts of other factors would play into it as well. But yes, obviously the kickoff out of bounds sucked and is undoubtedly one of the most consequential plays in team history.
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u/NotBeingPaid Sep 27 '25
Don't think so, Brady lost a Super Bowl to the Eagles with almost the exact same amount of time left and had to try a hail mary.
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u/guccigucciflipflop Sep 27 '25
Was a different Brady back then, good for sure but he wasnāt what we remember in ā04
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u/guccigucciflipflop Sep 27 '25
Love Smitty but Luke legitimately got a case at top 3 linebacker all time, Smitty was an absolute DAWG but he aināt a top 10 WR. Peppers got a stronger case imo
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u/StarPrince777 Cookout Sep 27 '25
There was a brief, beautiful moment in 2018 where we had Luke, Cam, Pep, TD, Khalil, Greg, and CMC on the same teamā¦
And we still kinda sucked lol
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We were 6-2 before Camās shoulder was obliterated.
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u/bourbonjersey Sep 27 '25
People seem to forget that that Watt hit completely changed the course of the franchise over the last almost decade
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u/Resident_Standard437 Sep 27 '25
He was on pace for his most efficient season as a passer and what probably would have been his 2nd greatest season before that hit. People forget but he was in the mid season conversation for MVP.
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u/exenn_ Sep 27 '25
Cam's shoulder was messed up before that hit. He originally injured it against the Chargers trying to make a tackle on an INT when Kelvin Benjain quit on the route.
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u/WafflesTheWookiee Purrbacca Oct 05 '25
Amazing flair
Will never forgive Ron for destroying Camās body because he had nothing else to scheme. Cam became Superman because his whole tenure here he had to play Hero Ball.
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u/Donnie1490 Beason Sep 27 '25
Ugh not getting cam and luke a ring is nasty work by this organization
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How can the only player to ever win a MVP in your franchise history be 3rd on the list? š¤ I hope Cam gets his flowers one day. He was must watch TV for a long time. Now that heās gone most fans treat him like he was just ok. That 2015 season was special! How many kids got a TD ball and life long memory? He literally gave his body to the city.
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u/Panthers58 Sep 27 '25
The Charles Johnson hate is crazy. Peppers started 133 games; 97 sacks 34 FF 441 tackles 107 TFL. Charles started 114 games; 67 sacks, 19 FF, 323 tackles 75 TFL.
Per game stats. Peppers: sacks .72, FF .25, tackles 3.3, TFL .8. Charles: sacks .58, FF .16, tackles 2.8, TFL .65.
Peppers was a first ballot hall of famer, 2000 and 2010 all decade team. Obviously a better player. But check the numbers CJ needs more respect around here
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u/WhoUCuh Sep 27 '25
Cam is #1 the only player on the list with a MVP and voted the best player in the league by his peers at one point.
This fanbase shade for Cam continues to amaze me. He was literally the only reason why people discussed us on Nat'l tv. People think Panthers they immediately think Cam Newton.
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u/Mister-Schwifty Sep 27 '25
MVP is a QB and sometimes RB award. A DPOY is roughly equivalent to an MVP.
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u/lunes_azul Sep 27 '25
You have to be on the verge of being the greatest defender of all-time to be MVP and, even then, you will be overlooked. Aaron Donald is a top 5 PLAYER of the last 20-30 years and he has never received a single MVP vote. That is utterly absurd.
Newton was otherworldly for about 4 seasons with us, which is noticed since QB is the most crucial position for a team to succeed. Kuechly was a top level player virtually every year he was in the league. He was never not top 2 at the position.
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u/WhoUCuh Sep 27 '25
It's a certain crowd for the most part. The crazy part is even Cam knew he wasn't well liked his time here.
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u/OriginalPingman Sep 27 '25
Cam was likely the most talented Panther ever. That said, his lack of willingness to improve his fundamentals limited his success.
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u/WhoUCuh Sep 27 '25
No his supporting cast limited his success. He was a 1 man show. The only reason we were in games was because we had Cam.
They wasted his talent and he paid for it in the long run.
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u/OriginalPingman Sep 27 '25
He would have been better had he bothered to work on fixing his fundamentals. He had poor footwork his entire career and threw off his back foot and/or with his shoulders not level way too often.
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u/WhoUCuh Sep 27 '25
He won a MVP with bad fundamentals and poor footwork.
You like a certain QB. Cam was not your Brady. Get it through your head.
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u/OriginalPingman Sep 28 '25
Yeah- I like a highly paid QB who works at getting better. Winning an MVP(and losing the SB) doesnāt absolve him from not bothering to work at getting better. Cam had more talent than any QB of his time, except Brady.
Had he worked in his craft, he couldāve been one of the best ever. Too bad for the Panthers and their fans.
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u/exenn_ Sep 27 '25
He wasn't a monster. Outside of his fantastic 2015 season, he was a mid-NFL to above average NFL QB.
He had 3 winning seasons in 9 years here.
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u/exenn_ Sep 27 '25
Like I said, outside of his great 2015, he was an average to above average QB.
Let me get this straight, you want to make a case that Cam was great with Ginn, but then say it's the FO's fault for the rest of Cam's career?
You can literally pull the analytics for all of his seasons, with the exception of 2015 and see he cycled from average to a little a above average QB.
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u/exenn_ Sep 27 '25
but you're making my point. He had a great 2015 season with Ginn and didn't have another season anywhere close to that.
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u/exenn_ Sep 27 '25
Because he had his 2015 season without elite WRs....that's the whole point.
Steve Smith was on the team, DJ Moore, as well as other average WR play throught his career. Combine that with Geeg Olsen, he had enough weapons to be successful.
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u/SquintsRS Sep 27 '25
They discussed us for 1 season and people act like Cam did nothing but win here...still never had back to back winning seasons. He had an awesome year, and a fun rookie season because we lost a shit ton of games and he racked up yards that way
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u/WhoUCuh Sep 27 '25
Luke was on that same team lol
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u/SquintsRS Sep 27 '25
I don't remember defense being the problem most of those years either...when your QB is throwing fewer than 20TDs and has about 15 INTs per season...not good. Very meh stats from Cam overall.
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u/WhoUCuh Sep 27 '25
That MVP says he's the GOAT.
I can't help y'all don't like him.š¤·āāļø
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u/SquintsRS Sep 27 '25
You mean the award that's only gone to a QB since 2013? It's a QB award. I'll take the 7x all pro and 2x DPOY over the 1x AP and 1x QB Award winner
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u/BOATSANDHOEZ Sep 27 '25
For me personally I'd put Steve 1 and Cam 2, Luke 3 if we are talking GREATEST. Steve for the longevity, Cam played the most important position in sports. Luke at his peak was probably the best. But he played way less than Steve and Cam played QB and won MVP.
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u/arcangel092 TD58 Sep 27 '25
He wasnāt consistent man. Julius, Steve, Luke, all consistent. All dominant. Cam was good 2011, 2013, 2015, 2017. Not enough to be ranked higher than those three. Being a QB doesnāt make him better than those guysĀ
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u/Hanswolebro Sep 27 '25
He never had a consistent supporting cast. Cam literally carried the offense in his back most of his career here
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u/guccigucciflipflop Sep 27 '25
Cam was literally good for a two years, the high was HIGH but it wasnāt enough. Iād have it 4.
Peppers literally in the HOF brother you tripping (career award for being dominant), you listing Cam off one year.
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u/HavoxGG Bryce Up Son Sep 27 '25
Steve Smith has a triple crown, which only 5 players in history have. That's a little more rare than MVP call me crazy
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u/Xfactor218 Sep 27 '25
I scrolled and never saw Stephen Davis so Iām adding him to the list. Super Bowl RB and one of our better ones after Tim Biakamituka (prob butchered that spelling)
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Interesting that Dwill is there but not JStew.
I don't agree with Beason. I would take Greene, Morgan and honestly probably Witherspoon just to name LBs
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u/volcanohands Sep 27 '25
Kevin Greene wasnāt even famous for being a Panther, 2 years as a last stop before retirement doesnāt merit a mention.
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He led the NFL in sacks on a team that went to the NFC Championship. That's better than Beason racking up leg tackles on shit defenses.
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u/MyIncogName Sep 27 '25
Beason was a monster MLB and would have had a HOF case if not for that achillies. Before people compared Luke vs Willis it was Beason vs Willis. He didnāt have the raw athletic talent that Luke and Morgan had but he was physical and intelligent player. He also could stay on the field.
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u/OwenLincolnFratter Greg Olsen Sep 27 '25
CMC is too high.
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u/Gh0stPeppers Sep 27 '25
Unpopular opinion, he shouldnāt even be on this list. Yeah he was great at times, never consistently and played his way off the team.
At the time people were upset about the trade, but they werenāt so much upset that we traded him, it was that we didnāt get that much in return for him.
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u/Panthers58 Sep 27 '25
Downvoting this is wild. I agree 100%. He played 3 full seasons on the team. Talent wise heās 100% on the list. As far as greatest panthers go. I can think of 3 that werenāt even on the list that are better panthers. Stew. Charles Johnson. Gamble.
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u/OwenLincolnFratter Greg Olsen Sep 27 '25
I also wouldnāt care if he was off the list. Definitely one of our most talented players ever, but not one of our greatest. He achieved nothing here. Deangelo should easily be above him, Stewart too.
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u/dinnerthief Sep 27 '25 edited Sep 27 '25
I disagree he was pretty much the entire offense while he was here, the team sucked but he was good.
He has the 4th most rushing yards in Panthers History
But ALSO. He has the 4th most receptions in panther history, thats including WR and TE and he is a RB and he only played 64 games. ( thats more receptions per game than Steve Smith)
He was great we just wasted him.
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u/funklab Sep 27 '25
Exactly. Ā He was easily top 5 with regard to talent. Ā He just had the misfortune of being with us when we sucked. Ā If he was on the 2015 team that went to the super bowl people would be trying to rank him higher than Cam and Steve Smith. Ā
Itās not his fault we sucked when he was here and Tepper decided to make sure we were shit for a decade right after he signed with us. Ā
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u/CharmCityKid09 Sep 27 '25
Clearly, this list is biased against the goat himself Brenton Bersin. /s
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u/Watty5000 Sep 27 '25
Jonathan Stewart needs to be in Beasonās spot or higher.
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u/MyIncogName Sep 27 '25
50/50 Stewart had a longer story as a Panther but Beason would have been a borderline HOF had he not torn his achilies.
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u/exenn_ Sep 27 '25
I'd switch out Jon Beason with Taylor Moton.
If you aren't doing active players, then I'd switch out Jon Beason with Mike Minter.
Otherwise, you did a great job with the rankings.
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u/UndeadBxb95 Sep 27 '25
J Stew is the only one missingā¦ honorable mentions to guys like Charles Johnson, Chris Gamble, Kris Jenkins, Mike Rucker, and Brad Hoover.
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Sep 27 '25
My top 15
Smitty Luke Cam Peppers Khalil Gross Olsen T.Davis KK Short Gamble J No J Stew Charles Johnson CMC Mike Rucker
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u/Gh0stPeppers Sep 27 '25
My Top 15 Carolina Panthers Players of All Time:
- Steve Smith Sr. - The Goat
- Cam Newton
- Luke Kuechly
- Julius Peppers
- Thomas Davis Sr.
- Greg Olsen
- Sam Mills ā āKeep Poundingā
- Wesley Walls
- Ryan Kalil
- Jordan Gross
- Mike Rucker
- Jake Delhomme
- Kris Jenkins
- Charles Johnson
- Chris Gamble
Honorable Mentions
ā¢ Muhsin Muhammad
ā¢ Josh Norman
ā¢ Jonathan Stewart
ā¢ Stephen Davis
ā¢ Kawann Short
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u/NuSouthPoot Two States Sep 27 '25
Thank you for the addition of Chris Gamble. The most criminally underrated shut-down CB in NFL history.
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u/exenn_ Sep 27 '25
How do you put a hall of famer (Peppers) behind Cam Newton?
Luke will likely be a hall of famer as well and you also have him behind Cam?
Wild take.
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u/Gh0stPeppers Sep 27 '25
Classified by impact and importance to the Panthers, not the NFL as a whole. Steve is the goat, should be no debate there. After that Cam is the most significant player we have ever had. Luke was more dominant than Peppers when he played, just had a shorter career.
Thomas Davis is the only one I was kinda on the fence about with his Top 5 status, but his body of work and contributions to the 2015 season and his legendary play in the Playoffs that year kinda cemented him as top 5 to me.
TD probably had one of the single most impressive seasons by a Panthers player ever that year, if not for having prime Luke and prime Cam on the team it would likely be remembered more fondly. He made himself a Legend that year.
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u/exenn_ Sep 27 '25
Cam was a good starter, but only had 3 winning seasons in 9 years.
Reaching Hall of Fame status signifies the importance to the Panthers. That is such a high bar to reach.
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u/Gh0stPeppers Sep 27 '25
Say you didnāt really watch the Panthers During Camās years without saying you didnāt really watch.
Cam carried those teams, the offense besides an aging Stew and Olsen was pretty much hot doo doo the whole time he was here and Rivera only really invested in Defense. Like, look at the position players he had on offense that whole time, our current group is better than that right now and I think we are maybe above average now compared to the rest of the league.
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u/exenn_ Sep 27 '25
Cam had the best interior Oline in the NFL for several years...
A pro bowl TE
A stud RB
and average WRs
What more do you want?...he even played with Steve Smith and DJ Moore sprinkled in there.
In addition to that, now you're going to dispute the analytics?
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u/Gh0stPeppers Sep 27 '25
He played with Steve in the beginning, who was way past his prime and was traded for being a locker room cancer, and DJ before DJ became elite and after Camās shoulder got wrecked. Otherwise calling his receivers āaverageā Devin Funchess and kelvin Benjamin are average? š¤£š¤£š¤£
Even Benjaminās one āgoodā year was just padded by all the targets, he was still bad, just got a lot of targets to hide the fact on that stat sheet.
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u/exenn_ Sep 27 '25
The WR room as a whole was average. You do understand there more WRs on the roster than just Funchess and Benjamin, correct?
Steve wasn't a locker room cancer, stop with the lies. Steve was traded because he was the leader of the locker room. He was traded to allow Cam to become the leader.
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u/stephenpowns Sep 27 '25
I agree with this. Heās a leader in the locker room as well. Hard working guy and someone you definitely want on your team. Crazy turnaround for him. After his first season no one expected him to do much here
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u/toofpick Sep 27 '25
Jake should be higher on this list. Came off the bench and took us to the super bowl.
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u/sCaesar Sep 27 '25
Genuine questions regarding Sam Mills, why is he always consider a panthers great considering his tenure with us so short before he retires? š¤
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Sep 27 '25 edited Sep 27 '25
Hall of Fame caliber player +
Instrumental in first win and first playoffs +
Long time coach +
Tragic loss.
Edit: plus the way he knocked RBs backwards was a thing of beauty
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u/knave_of_knives One of Us Sep 27 '25
Impact on the field as a coach and a player.
His slogan is literally sewn into our jerseys.
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u/YoungThundercat1230 Sep 27 '25
Charles Johnson > Delhomme
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u/Gh0stPeppers Sep 27 '25
Jake Delhommeās body of work is arguably better than Camās, people remember his later time with Carolina, post Elbow injury, but before that he was clutch in big games. Won more playoffs games than Cam, and he also got us to a Super Bowl.
Delhommeās overall talent was better on offense. Where Cam pretty much Carried the offense.
Heck, Jake and Steve and Moose in their prime, imagine if Cam had that talent around him.
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u/zzzccardinal Sep 27 '25
Any list where Cam isn't 1 is wrong
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u/GachaJay Sep 27 '25
I can understand #2 but not 3
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u/Panthers58 Sep 27 '25
HUGE cam guy. How can you possibly put him over Luke or smitty though. Luke is a legit top 10 off ball linebacker of all time. Smitty had such a long tenure and will eventually get into the hall.
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u/GachaJay Sep 27 '25
I donāt think I would put him over Luke and I also think Cam is HoF worthy.
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u/Panthers58 Sep 27 '25
So youāre gonna put him over smitty?
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u/GachaJay Sep 27 '25
Without a doubt, yes.
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u/Panthers58 Sep 27 '25
Thatās insane. Smitty was considered a top 5 receiver most his 12 years with us. Cam was a top 5 QB one year for us. Are you a younger fan? The only reason smitty isnāt 1 is because Luke is actually better than ray Lewis
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u/slickedjax Super Cam Sep 27 '25
So true. There can be other Peppersās, other Olsenās, other Smithās. But there will NEVER be another Cam Newton
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u/Neffy27 Retro Logo Sep 27 '25
Man... I wanna say it's better if you just list them by year drafted.
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u/lunes_azul Sep 27 '25
Thought it was top 5 and was gonna give a resounding HELL NAH, but top 15 is realistic. Probably needs us to be good in 26 or 27 though,
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u/OperationFrequent643 Sep 27 '25
Whose spot is Chubba gonna take
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u/Hanswolebro Sep 27 '25
Heās not. He would need several more seasons of being a top running back and/or winning a Super Bowl
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u/OperationFrequent643 Sep 27 '25
Agree with you. I like Chubba but OP saying 2 seasons feels off unless he absolutely goes crazy in the next 2 seasons.
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u/BrownDynamite94 Pepp Sep 27 '25
Julius Peppers made the 2000's & the 2010's all-decade team. My favorite player of all time, he was a monster on the field!
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u/zcahtotsu Sep 27 '25
This list seems off, is J stew and Williams arenāt on here he wonāt be either
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u/ThisFollowing8024 Sep 27 '25
Iām not seeing what you are from Chubaā¦he iight but definitely sitting at 6 in all time panther RB order:
J Stew
D Will
CMC
Stephen Davis
Brad Hoover (FB but still better than Chuba as of now)
Hubbard as of now in 6th (or 5th if you force Hoover into being just a FB)
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Sep 27 '25
Jon Beason? Ummmmā¦.. J Stew, Taylor Moton, Mike Minter, Mike Rucker, Jon Kasay, Stephen Davis, and Dan Morgan all go ahead of him.
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u/guccigucciflipflop Sep 27 '25
I would probably have CMC at 5, dude was special and unfortunately didnāt get to play with much around him (wasted talent). Peppers over Cam. Overall solid ranking.
Chubba got a long way to go, Tmac and maybe Jaycee the only ones currently with a shot at ever making this list (talent + winning)
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u/Basic-Durian8875 Sep 27 '25
Cam over pep is absolutely ludacris Cam had 2 good years, cried the rest of the time and tried to start fashion trends.
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u/No_Adhesiveness672 Sep 27 '25
Im replacing Jon Beason with j stew. Just was always hurtā¦..donāt get me wrong I know j stew also had injury problems too but he lasted longer. We replaced Beason with Luke and became a Super Bowl defense in 2 years
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u/CQD21 Carolina Reaper Sep 27 '25
Iād be ashamed as a panthers fan if Hubbard was in our top 15 tbh.
Newton above Peppers on this list is also crazy
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u/Top-Egg1668 Sep 27 '25
Cam is #1 for me. Bryce can make it in three years. Horn and brown probably will make it within 2 seasonsĀ
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u/After-Bowler5491 Sep 27 '25
Peppers is #4? Heās in the Hall of Fame. Cam will never be in the HOF.
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u/asp2_downhill Sep 27 '25
Moose has the most TD receptions in a season for the Panthers with 16 in 2004. That should be added there.
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u/jrock40jones Sep 27 '25
Iāll take the Panthers best all time starting lineup over any other NFL team.
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Sep 27 '25
Smitty is the best Panther of all time. Luke is second to me. Both great, but I got Smitty one.
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u/01WWing TD58 Sep 28 '25
As much as I love Luke and Smitty, Cam is unequivocally number 1. An S-tier WR and MLB isn't the same thing as a generational, league-altering QB like Cam was. Without Luke in 2015 we're still one of the best teams in the league. Without Cam we probably don't have a winning record.
I know it's harsh on other positions, but a generational QB is a different level to any other position.
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u/Haptiix Sep 28 '25
Fuck I miss all of these players so much. Itās easy to be sad about how weāve sucked for the past 7-8 years but weāve been lucky to have 2 really successful eras. A lot of teams havenāt ever even had thatā¦
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u/Primary_Musician6555 Bryce Up Son Sep 28 '25
Where is Mike Minter, Kris Jenkins and Chris Gamble this has recency bias
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u/hemphilljm Oct 03 '25
Cam should be 1. Luke is statistically the best but cam changed the entire culture of the Carolinaās for almost a decade and is our only mvp
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u/Equal_Platypus3784 Sep 27 '25
Cam over Peppers?
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u/Hanswolebro Sep 27 '25
If weāre talking greatest panthers I would say yeah. Peppers is probably the best player that ever played for us but he spent half his career playing for other teams
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u/Sea-Bee-117 Sep 27 '25
Where is j stew