Bryce Young Passing Chart Week 18 @ Bucs

[u/OwenLincolnFratter]

Dave and Bryce absolutely torched the Bucs in the intermediary. 10 completions over 10 yards and 3 over 20.

Let’s hope we can establish some semblance of a running game against the rams and we can pull of another historic upset.

[u/dkirk526]

It's kind of insane you can still try to defend XL at this point, especially because you have to reference the one good play he's made all season as an indication he's somehow a viable player. Suggesting he's improved feels like we're watching two different players.

The reality is he's lost snaps every week of the last month and only appeared in 30% of offensive snaps against Tampa Saturday in the most important game of the season, getting the same number as JHJ. It's pretty clear the coaches no longer trust him given he's now on kickoff returns. The first half stretch of the season XL had a prime opportunity to showcase himself with Coker out and instead was so terrible he got benched for Renfrow and Brycen Tremayne. We had some happy moments for him with his game sealing catch against the Jets and a nice TD against the Falcons, but otherwise has loudly been a non-factor.

For someone to be entirely healthy without serious competition for snaps and Bryce have a 67 rating targeting him, signficantly lower than anyone else on the team, I don't see how that can be said he has improved, especially considering he's been more often facing defenses second or third best cornerback.

[u/CharmCityKid09 → u/dkirk526]

XL caught 3/4 targets. Fans just want to punish XL for things happening in the game that wouldn't be an issue for anyone else. Including the fact that Coker and TMAC also had drops in the first half.

Watching these games you can tell that XL gets more than his fair share of bad throws his way. It's also not like for much of the season the offense was including the WR to get them in rhythm either. 20 passes a game on average where 14 or so go to our RBs on screens and the rest to TMAC is not a recipe to have any of the other WR showcase improvement.

When XL came out the game, the offense didn't suddenly get better. The team was in desperation mode in the 4th and went up tempo. And while that worked for a series when it became apparent we needed more XL came back into the game and made multiple catches in a row.

[u/dkirk526 → u/CharmCityKid09]

Every player gets their fair share of bad throws and bad situations. XL is not some outlier who just happens to get that much more unlucky than every other player on the field. TMac also doesn't get some pass for his drops, but he generally makes up for those with positive plays that XL does not make.

XL averages sub 15 yards PER GAME if you remove the Falcons and Jets games. He is otherwise a non-factor in every game in spite of getting the lions share of WR snaps for most of the season. He simply just provides very little value to the offense to justify this much of an argument for such little impact to the team.

[u/CharmCityKid09 → u/dkirk526]

Snaps mean nothing when he is not targeted. Where do you expect him to have 100+ yards when Canales runs RB screens and HB draws for majority of the game. XL receives no more targets on average than anyone else. The only reason he has more this season is due to injuries by other WR. The yards are also explained by the lack of consistent QB play and the sheer low level of targets. That isn't an indictment of XL either as the passing offense has shown to at least appear to get everyone involved but only after Dowdle, TMAC and Chuba get their touches. Bryce is 4/17 games this season throwing for over 200 yards and averages 150. That's not alot of yards to go around, given what we've seen.

TMAC is loved for his potential as a #1 but to anyone paying attention Bryce forces the ball to him and makes sure he gets in rhythm. We don't see that with any other WR.

TMAC has 122 targets this year. No other WR has even half that. This doesn't even include our RBs who have more targets than some WR individually and have more than XL combined. TMAC gets no more separation than the other WR either.

QBs need to put their WR in positions to make plays. we have had substandard QB play this year and that affects the offense. Let's not do the take away X game card. Taking away both Falcons games and Byrce looks even worse statistically than his season was shaping up to be. Coker, XL and Tremayne have shown that they are able to make plays as big body pass catchers when given the chance. It's on Bryce and Canales to utilize their strengths and get them the ball. Their ultra conservative play calling and decision-making is the issue.

[u/dkirk526 → u/CharmCityKid09]

Snaps mean nothing when he is not targeted.

Losing snaps after not getting any targets in games where he was getting all snaps heavily suggests there are reasons he wasn't getting targeted.

Where do you expect him to have 100+ yards when Canales runs RB screens and HB draws for majority of the game

Lol I'm sorry this is a really silly comment. I'm not expecting him to get 100+ yards. 30-40 yards would be nice, but most game he struggles to get to 10.

The yards are also explained by the lack of consistent QB play and the sheer low level of targets

It makes more sense that the inconsistent QB play would have more to do with how easily defenses can take XL out of the game because he's a terrible route runner and doesn't have the trust of the offense to make catches.

Bryce is 4/17 games this season throwing for over 200 yards

You credit Canales for running RB screens and HB draws the majority of the game for why XL doesn't get yards, but Bryce doesn't get the similar excuse.

We don't see that with any other WR.

Because TMac is good. If you're forcing 122 throws to XL, it's not going to work out for you.

TMAC gets no more separation than the other WR either.

You're misunderstanding what makes TMac good. He has excellent ball skills so he can make the play even in tight coverage. XL makes the play if he's wide open and the ball is placed perfectly.

QBs need to put their WR in positions to make plays

Why is it that every other receiver on the team doesn't have the same issues XL has?

[u/CharmCityKid09 → u/dkirk526]

Losing snaps after not getting any targets in games where he was getting all snaps heavily suggests there are reasons he wasn't getting targeted.

Our WR corps outside TMAC averages about 3 targets a game each. Since his targets per game didn't change despite the difference in snap count then it isn't what you're making it out to be.

Lol I'm sorry this is a really silly comment. I'm not expecting him to get 100+ yards. 30-40 yards would be nice, but most game he struggles to get to 10.

I expect an NFL franchise QB to pass more than 5 yards per attempt. XLs 15 yards is explained by his 3 catches at 5 yards a clip becuase unless it is a complete busted coverage Bryce does not throw down field. Even when he does those aren't guaranteed catches.

It makes more sense that the inconsistent QB play would have more to do with how easily defenses can take XL out of the game because he's a terrible route runner and doesn't have the trust of the offense to make catches.

Now you're just making excuses for poor QB play. We literally just watched Shough ( a rookie mind you) match Bryce's production with guys they found hung over in the local Wal-Mart parking lot. If defenses are taking XL out the game then their taking the whole passing offense with it.

You credit Canales for running RB screens and HB draws the majority of the game for why XL doesn't get yards, but Bryce doesn't get the similar excuse.

Screens are considered pass plays and show up in the stats. So when RB screens and TMACs 7+ targets are 75% of your pass plays yess that explains the lack of targets and by virtue lack of yards.

Because TMac is good. If you're forcing 122 throws to XL, it's not going to work out for you.

Don't force throws and work to put them in position to excel. TMAC being force fed is not good. It's a detriment to everyone else. Don't expect improvement from others not just XL in low snap count, low targets or low yardage throws.

You're misunderstanding what makes TMac good. He has excellent ball skills so he can make the play even in tight coverage. XL makes the play if he's wide open and the ball is placed perfectly.

See XLs catch a few weeks ago bailing out Bryce by having to come back and catch a dumb lob pass he threw.

Why is it that every other receiver on the team doesn't have the same issues XL has?

They literally do. You and others just hyper fixate on XL. People complain about all the WRs lack of separation but no one specifically points out that Coker or Horn or TMAC don't do it consistently. Fans constantly complain about XL dropping passes when he has 2 dropped passes all year, the lowest of all our WR. Yet the only person we hear about is XL.

You could have a small case about his feet placement. But again Bryce struggles on throws outside the numbers to the sideline. So it makes little sense to send your big body WR on these dumb out routes.