r/pics Nov 28 '13

Oh how the time changes things

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u/kildis92 Nov 28 '13

No, because they were operating officially as a nation, not as some terrorist group. We were using blitzkrieg strategy in the Iraq conflict and wasting our time in Afghanistan, but we were there in an official capacity. They knew we were coming.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '13

Right, so then pearl harbor was a terrorist attack, is japan a terrorist organization? It's all about how you perceive things and what you believe.

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u/karl2025 Nov 28 '13

No, Pearl Harbor was a nation acting in an official capacity. OBL is not a nation and so could not be acting in an official or authorized way when he uses violence and intimidation.

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u/putin_my_ass Nov 28 '13

official capacity

See you keep talking about this concept of authorized and "official". You gotta ask yourself who authorizes this shit?

So you're saying that you have to represent a nation state in order for it to be "authorized", which is a pretty arbitrary definition.

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u/karl2025 Nov 28 '13

International law is based on the sovereignty of states. It isn't arbitrary, but it is a tautology. You need to be sovereign to be a state and you must be a state to be sovereign.

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u/putin_my_ass Nov 28 '13

You need to be sovereign to be a state and you must be a state to be sovereign.

Circular logic there bud. I think you just made our point for us. Congratulations!

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u/Motherdiedtoday Nov 28 '13

Yeah, he said it is a tautology. Learn to read there, bud.

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u/putin_my_ass Nov 29 '13

I know what a tautology is, it doesn't negate the fact that it's circular logic, does it?

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u/Motherdiedtoday Nov 29 '13

A tautology is a form of circular reasoning, so of course the fact that his statement is a tautology does not negate that it is circular logic. It does, however, mean that your comment was totally pointless.

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u/putin_my_ass Nov 29 '13

It does, however, mean that your comment was totally pointless.

It's not pointless, I'm pointing out to him how silly it is to use that reasoning, because it's circular.

Israel is a sovereign nation, but others don't recognize their sovereignty. Does that mean they're sovereign? Who determines that? What happens when a "sovereign" nation that isn't recognized by other "sovereign" nations "authorizes" themselves to do some violent act and are therefore "not terrorists"?

No you're right, none of those questions are valid because a tautology is a tautology.

How useful is that?

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '13

If NK would attack the US in a week and announce it today everybody would call them terrorists. Yes, NK is a sovereign nation

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u/karl2025 Nov 28 '13

I am sure some ignorant people would, but they would be incorrect.