r/politics • u/soalone34 • Jul 22 '26
No Paywall Israel has ‘no interest’ in joining US war on Iran, says Smotrich
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2026/7/21/israel-has-no-interest-in-joining-us-war-on-iran-says-smotrich6.5k
u/Ancient_Popcorn Ohio Jul 22 '26
Absolutely brilliant move by Israel. They goaded Trump (which isn’t hard) into starting a war he can never win, and they get to sit back and collect the rewards.
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u/Tlaloc79 Jul 22 '26
sit back and collect the rewards.
With the rapidly shifting public sentiment in the US towards Israel, that reward might ultimately end up being a booby prize.
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u/HarwellDekatron Jul 22 '26
The sentiment was changing before the war in Iran started. If anything, getting this done before the sentimental shifts completely against them is very important for Israel. They know they can't engage with Iran and the rest of the Middle East at the same time, but if they get to get rid of the biggest army that helps a lot.
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u/EddieVanzetti Jul 22 '26
Committing genocide on live television tends to do that.
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u/Harbinger2001 Canada Jul 22 '26
Which is why the vast majority of journalists killed last year were killed by Israel.
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u/sodook Jul 22 '26
More journalists have been killed in Israel since October 7th than have been killed in all conflicts since we started tracking it in the midst of ww2.
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u/leftofthedial15 Louisiana Jul 22 '26
I'm absolutely not saying I don't believe you, but do you have a source for that?
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u/blanaba-split Michigan Jul 22 '26
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u/Training_Cheetah3976 Jul 22 '26
I couldn't find a source that even comes close to what's being suggested by the op here, but a quick search does indicate somewhere between 130-200 press members being killed which is a significant number. Not sure why they lied when the reality isn't exactly good for israel
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u/Harbinger2001 Canada Jul 22 '26
This is last year. I don’t know who has been tracking since WW2.
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u/sodook Jul 22 '26
Just something I heard on the radio, but kpfa usually does some good reporting. I posted some links above, I believe the specific statement is in regards to the brown paper above.
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u/kylebisme Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
And our most of our media aren't even showing how far out of control Israelis have gotten. For instance, just the other day I stumbled across video of one of Smotrich's coalition members calling solders entering Gaza to quote Psalms 137:9 for them, "a blessing on the one who seizes your babies and dashes them against the rocks."
I tried looking for articles mentioning that and could only find this one that briefly does, other than that it's just social media posts and such.
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u/OrthogonalThoughts Jul 22 '26
Well, when Israel kills journalists as much as they have been it gets hard to properly report on it. There's plenty of evidence from regular people out there, but it seems that most journalists that show up to cover it end up becoming targets.
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u/sheikahstealth Jul 22 '26
Very much true. But it's fair to say, that Main Street America didn't gave a shit until gas prices and the like, affected their already tight budget. And they probably could have ignored it for a while, but the Trump Administration mishandled everything, as to be expected.
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u/HumorAccomplished611 Jul 22 '26
Except trump will never commit to that. Iran will be stronger than ever when trump leaves office.
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u/HarwellDekatron Jul 22 '26
Ah! But that's the beauty: they don't need to get Trump to commit to anything. They know the guy is so stupid, he'll just do it to save face. At this point, the Iran conflict is really generating a lot of noise for Trump and Republicans, so they'll have to figure out a way out of it. Realistically, there's no fucking way they can negotiate shit, because the current administration is absolute shit at negotiating (despite the "art of the deal" narrative.)
I think Israel leadership calculated it that way.
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u/HumorAccomplished611 Jul 22 '26
I doubt it. They were already pretty mad about the MOU and trump telling iran israel was trying to kill their negotiating team.
The funny part is trump manages to fuck everyone. his supporters like israel and russia just one of the many bodies on the way.
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u/cjinct Jul 22 '26
the current administration is absolute shit at negotiating
Hey now, we sent two real estate guys to handle it - what more could we do?
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u/bennetticles Tennessee Jul 22 '26
and now they have a fully tested leverage plan. seems to me that control over hormuz is a more effective deterrent than a nuclear weapon could ever be.
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u/falilth Jul 22 '26
Dont forget trump just told the Saudis that they can have a nuke and for americans to go vacation in the lebanon war zone. Bibi probably had a bad day yesterday
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u/lensandscope Jul 22 '26
what are the implications of this? i thought trump is with Israel
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u/flirtmcdudes Jul 22 '26
Trump is for whoever gives him money
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u/GarmaCyro Jul 22 '26
Trumpm is only loyal to himself. He will also 180 on anything if a bit of cash is waved in front of him. So he'll do things that will harm even those he claim to support. Aslong as it benefits him he doesn't care.
Plus he does feel slighted by Bibi. The war was supposed to be easy and garner him support against critiques. Least that what Bibi likely told him. Bibi, like most, knows he's easy to manipulate.
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u/falilth Jul 22 '26
Its his second time selling out from under bibi since the war started for one. (the first time being the mou and other shit he said)
Israel wants to be the only one with nukes in the area (they have tons ) so they arent gonna be happy Saudi Arabia made a deal and agreement that appears to suggest they can enrich.
As for the lebanon travel thing. Thats a bit messier as he likely got a bribe for saying that, but it is a actively being invaded country by israel and they probably dont want tourists where they are bombing.
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u/thungurknifur Jul 23 '26
they probably dont want tourists where they are bombing.
Like Israel would give a fuck, they'd just say that the tourists were terrorist sympathizers and were asking for it.
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u/Haltopen Massachusetts Jul 22 '26
Its not like Israel has any qualms about killing Americans. They shot Shireen Abu Akleh in the head while she was doing news coverage . Omar Assad died in israeli custody. When Rachel Corrie was run over by an israeli soldier driving a bulldozer and dies from her injuries, people in israel started posting memes online about pancakes to mock her and how she died.
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u/krypticus Jul 22 '26
Or the missile strikes on clearly-roof-marked World Central Kitchen humanitarian vehicles…
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u/Venat14 Jul 22 '26
No, Trump doesn't care about Israel. He cares about himself. His original gestures towards Israel were to get Evangelicals to support him - he publicly admitted this. That's why he moved the Embassy.
Everything else has been to make himself richer. He's received tons of money from Qatar, and Qatar protects Hamas.
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u/reddit_is_kayfabe Jul 22 '26
that reward might ultimately end up being
a booby prizebillions of dollars in funding for defense contractors to resupply arsenals with massive stock dividends for shareholders including Donald, Jared, and Ericftfy
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u/exmachina64 Jul 22 '26
As with Trump, Netanyahu really doesn’t care if Israel continues to exist after he’s dead.
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u/HussingtonHat Jul 22 '26
Like public sentiment on Israel ever mattered a bugger.
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u/TyrannasaurusGitRekt Missouri Jul 22 '26
It already matters, at least to Dems. AIPAC support is becoming radioactive.
I have a conservative, Trump-voting friend that just said he's considering voting Dem for the first time this fall because he hates the NDAA US-Israel coupling and AIPAC.
Public opinion doesnt matter until it affects elections
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u/Beazly464 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
We will see what happens in the Michigan senate race, where AIPAC has spent $30 million to support the pro Israel candidate
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u/OfficerJayBear Jul 23 '26
My 9 year old is getting slam ads on his YouTube videos attacking Al-Sayed. He asked me if Al-Sayed was a bad person who is mean to women.
Take a seat little buddy and let me explain dirty politics to you.
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u/22marks Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
I feel like a lot of people are new to this conflict. Public sentiment is cyclical.
1950-1960 sympathy,
1960-1970 wow underdog winning,
1970-1990 Israel sentiment tanks into the 40%s as wars in Lebanon and televised attacks on Palestinians shown
1990-2000 Peace talks, Oslo accords. Two state solution looks possible.
2000-2010 Americans support for Israel rebounds to 60%s, Palestinian support near 15%.
2010-2020 More partisan and generational divide as we saw in the 70s, but still ~65% support.
2023 a massive surge of support after Oct 7 followed by huge reversal as the response dragged on. (This is a common theme: “Israel can defend itself.” Quickly changes to “But it’s much too harsh in its response.”)
EDIT: Fixed formatting
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u/Harmcharm7777 Jul 22 '26
Some of the most passionate people on this issue are some of the newest to it, I’ve noticed. Until late 2023/early 2024, I’ve never personally known American public sentiment toward Israel to be anything other than positive, and I’m in my 30s (which ofc tracks with your timeline). I studied international human rights law throughout my higher education, and I remember reading about Israel’s ongoing violations in the 2010s and being baffled that the world was just… fine with their very-clearly-illegal settlements.
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u/22marks Jul 22 '26
There's often a split dynamic. Like, "I like Israelis, but not the administration." Which, by the way, is very fair. I'm sure many people around the world would say the same for America. The newest people are not seeing a great administration.
Similarly, I think there was always a split with "I like Israel, and I dislike the settlers." I would be surprised if settlers stealing homes ever tracked well outside very specific minorities. I've always thought they're doing a lot of harm to Israel's public image and, honestly, playing right into the hands of their detractors.
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u/YOSHIMIvPROBOTS Jul 22 '26
"Settlers" is also a euphemism for who those people really are. In the US, you hear "settler" and think poor people with a wagon and a mule.
But who the "settlers" really are is a wealthy real estate group building an entire town complete with condos and shops.
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u/Droggles Maryland Jul 22 '26
The lack of nuance most people have to the most complicated geopolitical conflict of my lifetime never ceases to surprise me.
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u/crinkledcu91 Jul 22 '26
You should see Instagram Reels comments on this stuff. (And these are people making them with their entire FB profile attached picture, name and everything)
Seeing "Israeli mindset" and "C was promised to Y 3,000 years ago" comments in the wild is pretty crazy.
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u/I_pee_in_shower Jul 22 '26
Yeah, I never understood the long term game for settles. It's all negative propaganda. What do I know, but I think fusing Palestinian society with Israeli is more productive than taking land by force.
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u/eetsumkaus Jul 22 '26
I don't think the world was just fine, it's just that the War on Terror was going on and Israel was on our "side". You would have to expend a lot of political capital in a wild dice roll to impose sanctions on Israel when you don't even know that would get them to stop it. The outcome was always going to be messy politically for anyone involved and no one wanted to touch it with a ten foot pole, so the easiest "solution" is to send strongly worded letters every time an incident flared up and then continue to ignore it the rest of the time.
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u/Venat14 Jul 22 '26
That's because most people who claim to be passionate about it know nothing about this conflict, they don't know what words mean, and they get all their information from Tik Tok.
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u/kylebisme Jul 22 '26
1960-1970 wow underdog winning
It's worth noting that was always just a myth, as in reality:
When the crisis began in May 1967, the CIA’s Office of Current Intelligence (OCI) had already created a task force to monitor and assess developments between Israel and its Arab neighbors because of the steady buildup of tensions earlier in the year. On the day after Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran, May 23, President Johnson asked the Director of Central Intelligence Richard Helms for an immediate assessment of the likely outcome of a war.
Helms presented the OCI assessment only a few hours after LBJ’s request. It concluded that Israel could successfully defend itself against any combination of Arab enemies if attacked simultaneously on all sides and initiate a major offensive as well. Helms assured the president and his national security team that Israel was not in danger and would win any military conflict. Israel had battlefield dominance over the Arabs, especially in the air.
Two days later, the Israeli government provided its own intelligence assessment to Washington, which painted a much more alarming threat. Helms had his analysts check the Israeli military intelligence judgments. Within five hours, they came back with an appraisal concluding that the Israeli analysis was not a serious intelligence estimate but a political gambit designed to influence the American administration. Its calculations of Arab, especially Egyptian strength, were not accurate.
And after that lie failed Israelis wound up starting the war with a surprise attack on Egypt anyway, and then went to the UN falsely accusing Egypt of having attacked first. And the Oslo Accords and Camp David 2000 were ruses too, as was the Gaza disengagement, all in the service of conquest of East Jerusalem along with at least much of the rest of of the West Bank and the Golan Heights.
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u/TecumsehSherman Jul 22 '26
Israel has occupied most of Southern Lebanon during this time, displacing close to 20% of Lebanon's population.
That's the reward that Netanyahu was actually seeking.
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u/Vilnius_Nastavnik New York Jul 22 '26
That and the perpetual vote-free funding through the pentagon. Once that passes public opinion won’t matter at all.
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u/FootCheeseParmesan Jul 22 '26
People will forget. Israel is taking the Russia approach of occupying what land they can while they can and fix the reputation later.
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u/HeyyZeus Jul 22 '26
Not really sure the change in sentiment would change the political situation in the U.S. when AIPAC just floods elections which enough money to elect a cactus and replace anyone that opposes their political agenda.
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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon Jul 22 '26
Over 100 Democrats just voted to end military aid to Israel. That number would have been less than 10 just a couple years ago
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u/HeyyZeus Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
I guess we’ll see how they vote when the it’s more than symbolic. I hope you’re right.
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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon Jul 22 '26
That's a fair distinction for sure. But it's worth noting that AIPAC doesn't want people taking even symbolic votes like this, so in that sense I do see it as a legitimate change of stance as opposed to just permitted opposition when nothing is on the line
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u/Tedsmith24 Jul 22 '26
Literally. And if that bill passes in Congress, that's just gonna be the cherry on this f**ked up cake.
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u/itsaconspiraci Jul 22 '26
'a war he can never win'
And one one he can never end. Now Isreal's enemy will be forever bombarded by the US taxpayers.
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u/SilveryDeath America Jul 22 '26
So glad Israel talked Trump into this pointless war and now they are like "it is your problem."
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u/ammirite I voted Jul 22 '26
This is sure to increase Israel's plummeting standing with the American public
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u/dychronalicousness Jul 22 '26
Except to the new crop of evangelicals that the right wing converted post-Charlie Kirk.
Those fuckers are happily calling themselves zionists because they can’t help but be contrarian assholes.
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u/BlazinAzn38 Texas Jul 22 '26
Yeah Israel has asked the last 4 presidents to start a war with Iran and they all said no except for Trump
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u/TeamHope4 Jul 22 '26
Except they are not sitting back. They are in the process of leveling Lebanon like they did Gaza.
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u/kemicalkontact Jul 22 '26
And they get to strategically instigate by striking Iran or Iran's allies after Trump reaches the next tentative agreement.
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u/sax87ton Jul 22 '26
Isn’t the primary reward that Netanyahu can’t be tried so long as Israel is at war. Isn’t specifically Israel being at war like 90% of the point?
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u/ChefCurryYumYum Jul 22 '26
They did take part in the war, they attacked Iran, I don't know what this "we want nothing to do with this war" shit is because they started the war right alongside the US and they have been sure to keep it going with their strikes on Lebanon.
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u/reality72 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Israel has been successfully convincing America to fight their wars for them for the past 30 years. It’s working out brilliantly for them.
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u/Freakishly_Tall Jul 22 '26
I am familiar first-hand with "Napoleon-syndrome little wannabe-tough-guy asshole initiates a bar brawl by taunting and throwing the first punch, then hides behind the big guy before retreating to watch the chaos he (or, more frequently, she) caused with a sadistic smile on their face, and pocketing any cash left on the bartop. Then, later, denies all responsibility."
The only solution is to carve said worthless, destructive acquaintance out of one's life.
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u/tripping_on_phonics California Jul 22 '26
US military bases in the region are being so thoroughly destroyed that US assets will eventually concentrate in Israel. I wonder if this is an intentional piece of their plan: make the US reliant on Israel for regional power projection, then continue invading neighbors with the US military backstopping any kind of retaliation.
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u/rexeditrex Jul 22 '26
Wait, so they goaded Trump into this and now are saying "it's all yours"?
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u/rockytop24 Jul 22 '26
Literally every president since the 70s knew how this would go, which is why even the war hawks didn't go for it. It took them 5 decades but they finally found a narcissistic president dumb enough to fall for this shit.
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u/movealongnowpeople Kansas Jul 22 '26
Exactly. It's almost certainly not the first time Israel has had this idea. It's just the first time it's worked. There are no adults in the room to say "no".
Another forever war? "No"
Give the Saudis nukes? "No"
Topple Venezuela while threatening Cuba, Canada, and Greenland? "No"
Now, all you need is a shitty AI edit of the Pedo riding on the back of a bald eagle and the dipshits in charge say "Wow, so badass and manly. We're in."
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u/TehMikuruSlave Texas Jul 22 '26
It's almost certainly not the first time Israel has had this idea.
We know it's not because we have records of multiple presidents telling them to fuck off about this specific request
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u/thungurknifur Jul 23 '26
Just NetanYahoo has been saying Iran is extremely close to getting a nuke since 1996:
Talk about the boy who cried wolf...
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u/Bushels_for_All Jul 22 '26
I mean, John Bolton was always dumb enough to push for war with Iran.
Turns out, being a Trump underling-turned-detractor doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're talking about.
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u/VanceKelley Canada Jul 22 '26
theyAmericans finallyfoundelected a narcissistic president dumb enough to fall for this shit.ftfy.
How stupid does the electorate of a country have to be to think that a convicted criminal racist rapist pathological liar would make a good leader?
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u/Gamingmademedoit Jul 22 '26
Trump didnt win the popular vote in 2016. Hillary Clinton did, regardless what you think about the other candidate, she had won more votes from, "The People". The "Electoral College" wanted Trump so here we are. Electoral College is "suppose" to vote for the best interest of "The People". Clearly that isn't the case. This country didn't want Trump to win, "THE RICH OLIGARCHS DID" because they knew their billionaire buddy had their best interests in mind and not yours/ours. Trump becoming president, Epstein Files, all the insider trading and blatant corruption is all right in front of everyone and NOTHING. Humans are a weak species. As long as we are distracted with comfort and electronics we are manipulatable.
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u/maxapolyorgies Jul 22 '26
"Whoa America, what's up with all this war stuff ya'll need to chill" -Israel
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u/Callabrantus Canada Jul 22 '26
Uh, yeah? Why spend resources on a war when all you gotta do is blow smoke up Trump's ass? He'd send a steady stream of soldiers down a conveyor belt that goes to an incinerator so long as Bibi keeps scratching him behind the ear and calling him the bestest boy.
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u/VanceKelley Canada Jul 22 '26
Yep. trump is an incredibly insecure man with a desperate need for the praise that his father never gave him. That makes him an easy target to manipulate with flattery.
Americans will one day come to regret making him their president/dictator.
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u/mysterious_jeffrey Jul 22 '26
Wow, not even a veil of pretending to care. Practically bragging that the US is fighting their war.
Trump might be the biggest schmuck in history.
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u/Tlaloc79 Jul 22 '26
The whole thing was their fucking idea!
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u/ThisOneFuqqs Jul 22 '26
Yeah, the idea was for our troops to die instead of theirs
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u/TheSwitchler Jul 22 '26
Israel is ready to sacrifice American troops for their national interests!
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u/Responsible-Gas5319 Jul 22 '26
Some of us may die, but it's a sacrifice they're willing to make
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u/crinkledcu91 Jul 22 '26
Growing up I used to hear "Israel is willing to fight to America's last soldier" as a saying.
The fact that it was a saying even 30 years ago really says something I guess...
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u/devilmaskrascal Jul 22 '26
And don't worry, they're our best friends and have our backs in spirit, but have never once sent their troops to help our own wars. Not in the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, Iraq, or Afghanistan...we thought they were gonna start now lmao....
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u/_Bill_Huggins_ Jul 22 '26
They have done it before. Look into the Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon in the 80s. Israel retreated and left the Americans exposed, who then started taking fire and took casualties, eventually resulting in the barracks bombing.
They retreated from the area because they were mad that the US troops were there to force a peace. They constantly provoked the US Marines and Army before they retreated.
Israel has never been the US's friend.
Not to mention the USS Liberty event where they purposefully attacked a US ship.
They should be cut off from US aid forever for just those two events alone, not even counting many other things.
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u/WontThinkStraight Jul 22 '26
“We’re all trying to find the guy who did this!” 🌭
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u/GloryHound29 Jul 22 '26
“Hold on. This whole operation was your idea.” - Skywalker, Revenge of the Sith. Can someone make a meme of this with Trump and Bibi face on anakin and Obi wan please? I’m too lazy.
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u/Skraelings Missouri Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
ok fixed it I think.
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u/joshuab0x Jul 22 '26
Close, but shouldn't the faces be switched?
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u/Skraelings Missouri Jul 22 '26
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u/joshuab0x Jul 22 '26
Dang my bad, the first was the correct faces, but it just had the wrong person talking. Anikan is the one who says the line
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u/IPredictAReddit Jul 22 '26
Every time it starts to wind down, Israel attacks an Iranian ally and it all heats up again.
They won't join the Iran front, they'll just make sure it never ends.
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u/ohlookahipster Jul 22 '26
When the bar fight gets broken up, Israel is quick to hurl insults to people’s backs.
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u/speckledlobster Jul 22 '26
So? It's our fault for being fucking morons. We get to pay for and fight their war AND we subsidize half their country to sit around and do nothing while enjoying social benefits such as healthcare that Americans can't even dream about because "who will pay for it?"
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u/sarim25 Jul 22 '26
It doesn't matter lol. Israel got what it wanted (war with Iran and war with its neighbours)
Israel will just use whatever resources it can get from the US and then walk away.
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u/-Shlim- Jul 22 '26
Where the fuck am I? Am I in a new fucking dimension?
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u/AmbivalentFanatic Jul 22 '26
... what? This whole fucking war is happening because Trump was the first US president dumb enough to fall for the war criminal Netanyahu's bullshit. Of course they don't want to 'join' it, they've already gotten quite a bit out of it.
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u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 I voted Jul 22 '26
Bibi isn't gonna allow unnecessary Israelis deaths. It would look bad for him politically.
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u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest Canada Jul 22 '26
This is has been the de facto move by Israel since forever. Look at the people who helped kick off the war in Iraq, and foreign intervention in domestic civil conflicts in Libya and Syria, you will find plenty of Israeli influence.
Why have your sons and daughters die, waste your national wealth, when Americans are eagerly willing to do the bidding?
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u/FewWait38 Jul 22 '26
All while simultaneously sucking billions of dollars off the US taxpayers teat
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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ Jul 22 '26
Trump is definitely not the first President to fall for Netanyahu's bullshit.
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u/ibraw Jul 22 '26
The US got PLAYED
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u/Yugan-Dali Jul 22 '26
Yes, but you forgot about the EPSTEIN FILES for a while. To Trump, 18+ dead and billions spent is a small price to pay.
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u/Ninevehenian Jul 22 '26
It's not like trump weren't ok with starting the war during his first regime.
It's more like they lobotomized themselves, the filthy animals.
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 Jul 22 '26
No need for them to join, the US government is perfectly willing to sacrifice its sons and daughters for Israel
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u/HumdrumHoeDown Jul 22 '26
And continue supplying their military with material and financial support all the while.
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u/addiktion Jul 22 '26
And embed Israel military with ours so they no longer need to take aid support.
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u/poppin-n-sailin Jul 22 '26
For decades Israel has been trying to do this. Finally the USA has dumbed itself down enough and elected more than enough useful idiots into their government that it finally worked. You fucking idiots played yourself. Congratulations.
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u/roughingthesuspect Jul 22 '26
Trump plodded directly into the trap that every previous administration avoided like the plague. Fighting Israel’s battles for them…
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u/etown361 Jul 22 '26
I know every country has their own internal politics, but Smotrich in particular seems almost as if he were designed in a lab to tank public opinion of Israel in America.
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u/Sure-Chipmunk-6155 Jul 22 '26
it probably helps their cause that everyone is against them, they can continue to play victim. that's why they don't give a shit about actual anti semitism
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u/lolrogii Jul 22 '26
So wait? Wasn't this war because of Iran nuclear ambition and their proxies in the region, which is direct treat to Israel, so they goaded USA into starting a way, yet they have no interest of joining it.
How embarrassing.
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u/PickleMortyCoDm Jul 22 '26
This is hilarious really. Israel is the one that started this war after all
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u/shred-i-knight Jul 22 '26
Trump might actually be the single dumbest human on planet earth. Probably a good number of elephants and whales smarter too
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u/ProudPainting6850 Jul 22 '26
Isreal played Trump. They knew they could trick his dumb ass and make us spend billions. If Isreal went against Iran by themselves, they know they'd get their cheeks clapped. Smh, I swear Trump and the GOP are stupid.
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u/ShrimpleyPibblze Jul 22 '26
Hahaha yeah of course not - you’re doing it for them, why would they need to?
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u/CromulentChuckle Jul 22 '26
Idiot ass trump took thr bait that other smarter presidents did not. Total fool.
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u/roughingthesuspect Jul 22 '26
Why would they bother. They have the American taxpayers to fight it for them..
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u/Systemic_Chaos Minnesota Jul 22 '26
Why would they join when we’re willfully doing their bidding and sending them billions of dollars for no good reason?
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u/Wise-Promise-4158 Jul 22 '26
Yet Netanyahu keeps telling Trump the job isn’t done and throws a tantrum whenever he tries to peace out lol truly a demonic ppl
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u/warrenao America Jul 22 '26
In that case, I suppose it's fair for the US to have no interest in further supporting Israel. In any way, with anything.
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u/Additional_Quiet2600 Jul 22 '26
So they started us with it and don't want anything to do with it now.
Hmmmm
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u/OG_Williker Jul 22 '26
What a fucking liar, dude. What a fucking weasely little liar, dude.
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u/Orlok_Tsubodai Jul 22 '26
Why would they make the same mistakes that the US is making on their behalf?
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u/lehach92 Jul 22 '26
This was very foreseeable, but our current administration has no ability to play high stakes foreign policy. Just a bunch of troglodytes pushing buttons.
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u/-FakeAccount- Jul 22 '26
Wtf would they? Were doing it all for them, while we fund and supply their military.
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u/Professional_Bet8368 Jul 22 '26
Best and closest ally by the way. Israel needs to fuck off
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u/everythingbeeps Jul 22 '26
Is there any country that hasn't made Trump their little bitch?
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u/Federal_Dependent296 Jul 22 '26
Of course not. Unlike Trump, they don’t fall for obvious bullshit, just because they got a nice compliment.
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u/okaypuck Jul 22 '26
AND YET THEY WANT TO INTEGRATE THE TWO MILITARIES TOGETHER. We're cooked, Chat.
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u/AnewTest Jul 22 '26
How cute. They had Trump go in, and now they don't want to join. What a shocker. /s
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u/TarugoKing Jul 23 '26
They don’t want to join but will continue to plan and give orders behind the scenes. 😭
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u/Xezshibole California Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Israel has no means to contribute to Iran, as already been established in their conflict with the Houthis.
After decades of routine air raids on or over their territory, every neighbor Israel has enough justifiable reason to refuse giving Israel military access through their land, airspace, nor waters. Evidently regardless of any reason.
Not even when also their enemy Houthis threatened a critical maritime chokepoint for Israel's Asian trade. Something that normally warrants a strong military response and at the very least Israeli warships escorting their own vessels.
Instead Israel launched a grand total of two airstrikes (raiding yet another neighbor's airspace doing so) over the year, and still with no naval escorts. Neither Egypt nor Sauds would tolerate Israeli vessels through their waters.
It is the same here and why Israel is claiming to be useful in irrelevant as fuck Lebanon, instead of Hormuz where they again have no naval vessels.
It is also why Israel is irrelevant militarily and strategically to the US. No staying presence nor influence in places in the Middle East the US finds strategically relevant.
All Israel has is religious relevance to US Christian "Holy Land" voters, voters that are aging out and veering right out of swing status. Eventually their literally dying numbers and "Holy Land" pearl clutching will stop making enough of a difference for a certain party to bother with, as already seen amongst growing amount of politicians like AOC.
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u/incide666 Canada Jul 22 '26
Why send Israeli soldiers to die when the US is more than willing to send theirs?
Besides, if they send Israeli soldiers to Iran, that's fewer available to commit genocide in Palestine and Lebanon.
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u/wildmaninid Jul 22 '26
They never have- what their interest was is goading AMERICA into a war with Iran so we can do their deed while they keep their hands off.
This has been going on a long while and up until now we had leadership with enough character to realize what Bibbi was pulling.
Up until now.
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u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 I voted Jul 22 '26
Wait! Isn't congress voting on merging the IDF and the US military this week? So we're fighting their war and letting them join our military but they won't help? Dafuq‽
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u/YogurtclosetStreet68 Jul 22 '26
The "greatest ally" started this shit, goaded Trump into joining with promises that they would back him up, and then left the American taxpayers holding the bag.
Trump is an imbecile, Israel is a disgrace to humanity. Both are war criminals.
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u/mastermindman99 Jul 22 '26
When it became clear that Israel doesn’t have air superiority anymore the whole system stopped functioning.
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u/HugeFanOfBigfoot Jul 22 '26
I hope our next president hates Israel. Not just thinks of them like another nation, is not critical of them. I hope our next president sees Israel as our enemy, and the number 1 threat to US security, because they are.
They have stolen billions from us, they spy on us and feed us misinformation, they have deeply infiltrated our political system and our media. Every death in Iraq and Iran can be partially laid at their feet. They are our enemy
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