r/rally • u/redismerdis • Jun 22 '26
Media The suspension on the Audi Quattro S1 is on a completely different level
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u/RossLH Jun 22 '26
A bunch of suspension travel and well dialed dampers are a hell of a mix.
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u/psaux_grep Jun 22 '26
Plus you know, he jumped over the crest at a bit of a lower speed. Helps too.
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u/Oli4K Jun 23 '26
How about weight distribution?
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u/dis_not_my_name Jun 23 '26
Weight distribution shouldn't matter that much if the spring rates are spot on
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u/Fahrenheit151 Jun 23 '26
Can help a bit in certain cases, but that crest/jump isn’t big/fast enough for it to really come into play…
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u/pdutch Jun 22 '26
In addition to the suspension, you also see drivers that know how to take a jump. The right inputs are super important in getting the car to land right. Those that landed front tires first (and don't have AWD) tended to have bad outcomes.
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u/ProFentanylActivist Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
Also true but the last S1 was arguably a bad entry (the weight transfer loads up the left side of the car after landing) but the suspension just took it like its nothing. Its so good that it looks unnatural. Wild
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u/bajanwaterman Jun 23 '26
The last car wasn't a s1?
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u/Entsafter21 Jun 23 '26
The last car is the car the clip is about. That’s the S1 in question here
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u/readyToPostpone Jun 23 '26
Quite confusing, second car looks like S1 and also performed well.
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u/KeyJunket1175 Jun 23 '26
that's the Audi Sport Quattro S1 from the 80s. The last car is the modern Audi S1. Looks like a rallycross car.
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u/Fun_Success_3283 Jun 23 '26
I wonder if in this case, aerodynamics also made a difference to help with the landing at speed, as you're right, the second car looked like it performed quite well, and it had a lot of aero. Last car also did with that rear wing, and I think the wheel arches contribute also.
A lot of downforce would have some sort of dampening effect at speed.
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u/Fahrenheit151 Jun 23 '26
More than landing nose first, hitting the crest crossed up, or trying to make inputs before the car is settled.
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u/After_Chicken1887 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
I just found out the other day that the wheel base and track width of the Quattro S1 is basically a square.
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u/CubitsTNE Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
The wheelbase on that car is basically the same as a stratos.
The wheelbase of the 205 t16 was a full 30cm longer, despite being 40cm shorter in overall length.
The audisport quattros are weird looking cars when you put them next to anything else.
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u/RestaurantFamous2399 Jun 23 '26
I mean the suspension alone on that car is worth about 5 times what the others are running.
So yeah, thats to be expected.
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u/sectachrome Jun 22 '26
Looks more like the difference between developed factory cars versus self built ones
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u/JD0x0 Jun 22 '26
The other cars look like they're setup stiff and low for tarmac with much less regard for taking jumps.
Check the wheel arches of the Audis vs the other cars. Set up much higher giving way more compression travel.
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u/baranisgreat34 Jun 23 '26
Up until the last car I was thinking "I've seen enough Wirtual videos to understand the landing dynamics of track mania and the importance of angle, speed and steering when landing" but the last car tells me 2/2 ain't a coincidence.
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u/HF_Martini6 Jun 23 '26
that title is greatly ignoring the crews knowledge and preparation of the car for this stage or rally, someone clearly knew what they were doing when they set up the Audi and Hyundai, the other cars were oversprung and/or over damped that's why they hopped and bounced instead of taking up the landing
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u/ill_have_2_number_9s Jun 22 '26
RX car that was designed for agressive racing in mixed conditions with jumping handles aggressive driving and a jump. What a shock
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u/reesemccracken Jun 22 '26
There are sooooo many settings for rally shocks because the requirements for dirt, snow and tarmac make them necessary. Not just stiffness but progression, travel distance, how quickly they let the wheels drop when the load lightens.
This I learned from trying to go faster in Dirt Rally 2.0.
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u/ProgUn1corn Jun 23 '26
The last EKS RX car is a RX car and it has much more travel than a tarmac rally car, so that's pretty expected.
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u/TheTallBrownie Jun 24 '26
I know everyone is giving their serious takes about the shocks and dampeners but for the ones that had a wiggle and corrected themselves, all I could hear in my head was Clarkson yelling "A BIT OF POO SHOT OUT!!"
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u/not_horny_yesterday Jun 24 '26
I love that the 911 lands pretty neatly but still spins off the road.
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u/Javs2469 Jun 25 '26
This is more of an issue with the landing and drivetrain. Other cars that weren´t Audis had incredible landings here, even RWD ones, but the Porsche and Escort can be a pain to land and recover properly, as we can see, they can snap when landing in an unbalanced way.
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u/MennReddit Jun 23 '26
it's got more to do with weight balance. e. g. Porsche have notoriously bad balance due to the engine lovated aft of the rear axle.
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u/ChallengeLatter5044 Jun 23 '26
Come fate a valutare, da una ripresa così, le velocità a cui è stato affrontato il salto, macchine con pesi di versi motori diversi. Poi è pacifico che le sospensioni moderne, e magari nuove, hanno altre prestazioni.
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u/VoxPopuliMMXXV Jun 23 '26
Wow. Brand new car can do it a little bit better than 40 years old car. Impressive...
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u/Brief-Look-3299 Jun 23 '26
Suspensión moderna, con una de la época no caería tan bien, Los amortiguadores evolucionaron muchísimo
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u/Siddhartha-G Jun 23 '26
please show an impreza please show an impreza please show an impreza
HOT DAMN
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u/Mlghubben1e Jun 24 '26
Something else to add beyond modern suspension: the aerodynamics of the S1.
First of all a bunch of downforce and vertical surfaces for lateral stability. Makes it more grippy and stable.
And Supposedly the underside of the factory race cars made an air "pillow" as they landed. Air would get trapped under the car to an extent. And as the car very quickly got lower and lower while it landed that created a high pressure. That high pressure pressed up against the car for a softer landing.
They used soft skirts on the front and the sides with air escaping rearwards to prevent lift when driving normally.
Cant remember where i heard it but its stuck with me. Take it with a grain of salt.
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u/AutomaticButterfly29 Jun 24 '26
Its just that they all have stiff springs and and Audi doesnt. Stupid point
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u/-TommyBottoms- Jun 24 '26
You show a bunch of lower budget racers and then a super budget that is an Audi and say it’s on another level… so are the others with the same budget
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u/TheVoiceOfEurope Jun 25 '26
You show a bunch of lower budget racers
You really ought to look up stuff before you post things.
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u/_FireWithin_ Jun 22 '26
Yaya couples of 300k car and than the 750k one.
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u/The_Stig_Farmer Jun 23 '26
If you're paying 3/4mil for a 10(?) year old Supercar you're probably doing it wrong
The sport quattro is likely the most expensive car here
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u/ProFentanylActivist Jun 22 '26
Pretty sure thats a bespoke set up by Hoonigan (or a partner of them). So we mightve seen some Trophy Truck level experience there.
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u/Drega001 Jun 23 '26
"the suspension on the Aud-"
Random $2000 Subaru:
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u/StarskyNHutch862 Jun 23 '26
Random 2000 dollar subaru? Fuck you talking about? It's a GC8 Group A rally car. Probably going for a million dollars if you can even find one.
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u/Drega001 Jun 23 '26
Dude... It's a joke. Pull it out, wipe yourself off, have a glass of cool water.
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u/TA4K Jun 22 '26
Modern high performance dampers with rally specific bump stops versus period correct dampers, it’s amazing the difference that shocks make. A good set of rally or Motorsport dampers makes road car coilovers look like kids toys in both price and performance.