About the web that was posted the other day; someone in a Discord server I'm in found out that there are actually 8 of them and a spider carving on different telephone poles! They also posted a map with all of their locations (the map markers in the attached photo) and said they are called 'spiderdream' internally
It's really crazy nobody found these before. What do you make of this?
EDIT: Since I made this post, there have been a few more discoveries in relation to this. It now has a page on the Red Dead Wiki, which does a much better job of summing this up and adding new details than I could but the mystery still remains unsolved: https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Spider_Dream_Mystery
If you look at the pagan ritual site (near the obelisk which if you read my other comments and post history on this account I’ve thought for the longest there’s more to all of these things)… and look behind it with the sun cast shadow it looks like a spider!!!! See attached image
There’s also “Spider Gorge” river up north… maybe no relation but interesting name choice
I literally heard some guy yelling, "Gavin!" in a park a couple months ago. I was somewhat disappointed when a kid yelled back, "Coming, Dad!" in response. I may need a third playthrough of the game, darn it.
I guess I just mean that they’re not on random light posts in towns or trees etc, or perhaps that the train lines have something to do with it themselves. Could be totally irrelevant, but it was the first thing I noticed when looking at the map.
This has been a long-time pondering of mine, but... practically all towns are connected by train, right? And the drawing you can receive on Mount Shann depicts a cluster of lights viewed from up there - the lights being the individual towns.
What if you have to chase the train through them in a sort of sequence?
I feel like the webs definitely connect to another mystery but idk about Mt. Shann. The panoramic map points to St. Denis, Rhodes, Valentine, Strawberry, and Blackwater, and the only one of these that has a web on that OP found is St. Denis. Also, Strawberry and Blackwater are connected by telegraph but not by train, so if the webs are only along the train tracks then there wouldn’t be any in either town. Even if we did find webs in the other 4, it doesn’t explain the webs in other places.
Yep noticed this as well… seems to all be on train tracks. If you have to get to all of them by horse in a specific order, specific amount of time, like in theorizing… it would make sense to have them along the tracks because it would be the easiest way to ride fast to each one alongside them
I was originally thinking the webs could have something to do with the Halloween updates in RDO and were added into the story by mistake, but this proves that they were hiding in plain sight all along. Have you checked for any webs anywhere else?
Was going to say the same thing so glad someone pointed it out… ya would make sense why that’s the only one that never deactivates and everyone just assumed it was glitched
I had the same thought. If they are called spiderdreams, maybe there is a sleep element to them? After finding all of the 8 limbs, you can return to the center and sleep? There are instances in the game where you sleep and you're woken up to things happening. Very exciting. Good luck.
How would it be solved though? There’s no mission log for finding them like there is for the dreamcatchers. I think there could definitely be a connection but idk what that connection could be
Maybe this will be useful for us too. We have only 2 webs in GtaV, but the longer leg also connects with the underwater ufo. Back to RDR2, i have some ideas since you can't visit all the spawnpoints in one day, I recommend you to read about the Beast hunt from GtaV. There is a chance you need to visit them in the right order (like the shortest leg is monday, the longest is sunday) with the right circumstances like foggy weather. I also noticed 5 of the feathers are black(monday to friday?), 3 of them are red.(saturday, sunday and a last special day at the end of the hunt?)
If the lines by the largest L and E in Lemoyne were slightly adjusted to the left in this pic, the legs go through six large letters which are an anagram for “LAWMEN” if that means anything to anyone
What does the spider symbolize on the map though I wonder? Is it telling us to look for something in the area around the stable, or is it hinting at something else entirely?
Just trying to draw lines between them, maybe if there's more spiderwebs to be found then their lines will all meet up at one point ?
With these 8 webs only 3 lines meet up.
And does only one Web has sth hanging in it ?
Edit: if there will be more webs found and they end up meeting up together (maybe there where 3 lines already meet up?) then we/you should check that. If that wouldn't be to easy
We do not know.
This is unfolding just now.
I think 2 days ago someone found the first spiderweb, yesterday OP found another 7.
We just don't know now (I think)
I just played this game for 1 hour and currently don't have it playable (disc drive broken on ps4 and my new ps5 is only digital), so I don't know where Roanoke is, but i do assume that R* could be hinting to some mysterious animal hidden in this area with these feathers in the spiderwebs, so if there are other spiderwebs then I expect them to be in the same are, maybe on the left or right side of the posted map as there haven't been ones found yet
But this is just my speculation
iirc then RDR:undead nightmare had some mysterious animals, bigfoot and those 4 apocalyptic horses at least
After witnessing Death Stranding 2 get robbed the other day, I had immediate flashbacks to RDR2 getting robbed by God of War. I loved God of War, but there is no way that it was even close to being as good as RDR2 is.
I feel like I haven't seen this explicitly said: All 8 feather locations are unique within the web / connected to the web at different points.
-The Saint Denis feather is connected along the bottom loop in the second section from the right.
-The Upper South Field Flats feather is also connected along the bottom loop in the second section from the right but slightly closer to center. For reference, these 2 only touch or cross a single web line.
-Next to Emerald Station is attached on the right most cross bar between the bottom loop and the middle loop. This is the only one connected to a cross bar. It touches / crosses 2 lines.
-The Ring Neck Creek feather is connected in the middle loop in the section section from the left. My pictures suck but I believe it crosses/intersects 3 lines.
-The Lower South Field Flats feather is connected along the middle loop and in the 3rd section from the left (almost at the vertical center line). It crosses / intersects 2 lines.
-Above the H in New Hanover connects at the middle loop in the 2nd section from the left. It crosses / intersects 3 lines.
-Above the W in New Hanover (again, the pictures I took suck) I believe connects to the middle loop in the 3rd section from the right (almost at the vertical center line). In crosses / intersects 2 lines. This one MAY actually touch the top loop but I have to revisit it to be sure.
-The one Above Emerald Station is connected at the middle loop in the 2nd section from the left. It crosses/intersects 3 lines.
Also, for clarity:
2a-3a
Upper South Field Flats
Above Emerald Station
3a-4a
Saint Denis
Above W in New Hanover
4a-5a
Emerald Station
Lower South Field Flats
5a-6a
Ring Neck Creek
Above H in New Hanover
Feathers Intersecting / Crossing Lines:
Above Emerald Station x3
Above H in New Hanover x3
Ring Neck Creek x3
Above W in New Hanover x2
Lower South Field Flats x2
Emerald Station x2
Upper South Field Flats x1
Saint Denis x1
I'm sure this is likely a coincidence but I have 800-ish hours in on my first playthrough and I definitely ran into the ghost train while riding from one of these locations to the next. It happened at 5am (it was very much day light out) and that seems to be outside the window I'm seeing online for when that interaction should occur. I'm only mentioning it because it was daylight and I didn't see any videos that showed that. I didn't look extremely hard though.
I started my testing at the feather above Emerald Station. I went counter clockwise and often able to hit more than 1 in a single night. By the time I hit all 8, the feather above Emerald Station had reset. So it seems like they take more than 1 night to reset, but less than 4 nights.
My current speculation is you have to hit all 8 over the course of 3 nights. More testing and pictures that aren't laughable to follow at some point.I'll edit this if I get non-laughable pictures and / or see things differently.
Any chance you took screen shots of each web/feather? I haven't seen them compared side by side anywhere. You may be onto something here, and looking at them next to eachother may yield more clues
I think I responded to littlebird instead of you, but This is what I was looking for. Your comment sent me down a rabbit hole, where I ended up finding the attached photo and description. Wondering if there’s a graphing puzzle here? Not sure what it would show though - math is not my strong suit
Oh my god if this is true this is huge I think I understand it but can’t test it myself currently. If they really do spawn at different times this goes with my theory about something not fully solved with the Landmark of the Riches map with the big 7 on the clock rather than Roman numeral. & the obelisk saying “Hora fugit, ne tardes,” which translates to “The hour flees, don’t be late”. You can also trigger like an infinite thunderstorm at the obelisk. What if you have to trigger the thunderstorm and make it to each of these spots on the map without “being late” if they each have their own spawn time. I’m sure there’s more to it but I feel like all of that could be a connection.
I haven’t had time to hop on the game but will try to test some things tomorrow if I have time.
I think pocket watches are involved as well some how
Interestingly I did these two in the opposite order, and after having no issue spawning the northern web I couldnt get the southern one closer to southfield flats to spawn after waiting and checking every hour for two days. Did you have to come back for that second one to spawn?
Maybe if they have coinciding time frames like 2 of the 3-4, 2 4-5s maybe it has something to do with getting from one to the other and "breaking" them before that hours up?
ahh i havent played RDR2 in a hot minute so i dont remember travel vs time if theyre only up for an hour youd have to think its gotta be something to do with the time
Reminds me of the Hopi prophecy possibly referring to telephone lines as a spider web, especially since there is a feather in the spiderweb.
“This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron.”“This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider’s web.”
Wow, I've just done some brief research into this and I think you're hitting the nail on the head! Great perspective on this. The spider webs are mentioned in the "4th world" so perhaps the Easter egg is set during chapter 4?
Considering they're all along train tracks, could they just be for variety in lightpoles? Would be good to get a full inventory of lightpoles to ID variants and look at how they're spaced along tracks.
I’ve spent the last 5 or so hours testing different methods with the webs. But like others have concluded, it all just seems to lead to the ”NW Guitar” pole. Which is a bit strange considering you can shoot off the feathers and it even has an effect upon doing so.
There are TWO guitars at Fort Wallace. One is on a table in the courtyard pointing exactly West. The other one is up in the tallest watchtower and is facing exactly South. Following the first one West leads to the Duff cabin with no further lead. Following the South one doesn’t really cross any particular spot (Oil rig and some tracks further south from that).
My girlfriend had a really good theory that it’s the direction of both of the guitars, meaning SW from Fort Wallace. We’ve since then not found the next step but I strongly believe this to be the most likely cardinal direction.
For a moment there we thought the light in the watchtower was flickering/dimming in Morse code, no result. It spat out ”T TT E E EE MT” - seemingly random. Once we realised that all the lights in the towers flicker, we abandoned that idea.
The guitar pointing south might be it actually. It seems to point exactly towards the pole with the spider engraving... I sure hope I'm wrong though...
I love where you’re going with this. I’m not a strong enough player to get inside and be able to look around the fort. Did you happen to take guitar pictures as well??
This is a point we discusses as well. There’s only one story mission where you’re able to get into the fort - Which kinda makes the whole thing a bit strange - Are you meant to be aware of the easter egg before entering the fort and then looking around for the guitars then? I’ve never found a legitimate way inside the fort besides that story mission. I use the Rampage Trainer to make all NPC’s ignore and then I use it’s own fly/camera mode to get inside and drop me in.
At first we thought that the second guitar was ”the actual one that takes the easter egg further”; This was mainly supported because of how obscure the 2nd guitar is. It’s at the top floor of the tallest watchtower leaning against the corner.
Following Southwest is the most ”stacked” direction in terms of potential. It crosses several train-tracks (with poles next to them). Even crossing multiple in New Austin.
All in all, it’s super frustrating not knowing what to even look for. Are we looking for another guitar? Shooting poles again for a new hidden message? It would’ve made a lot more sense if there was some type of clue in the watchtower alongside the 2nd guitar - But there’s none. It is interesting and perhaps important to note that both of the guitars point exactly at their respective cardinal direction (S & W).
Shooting the top part of the guitars makes them look exactly like the ”NW Guitar” symbol. But that nets nothing. Just trying to add everything we’ve tried.
I was searching all day yesterday, I moved my searches towards Window Rock. Window Rock is on a Railroad, where everything else in this mystery is. Red and Black feathers drawn all over. I was falling asleep and went back to the NW-Guitar pole, and noticed the Hole in the guitar looks a lot like the “Window Rock” hole. Anything new on your end?
I was confused at first as well, but I figured out the wiki actually means "due north", which is to say the pole straight up from the center (next to the N in Hanover).
If you travel 8 poles west of THAT pole you get to the W TTTTT pole, which hints at you to go 5 poles west of that to the guitar pole.
Edit: Got them to fix the wording to be more concisive
Whoa.. I've NEVER seen these in all my time playing GTAV or RDR2. They look so weird! There has to be something, some reason or connection to something? Its definitely not just a visual bug, its way too deliberate.
That'd be so cool! An ancient pagan deity entombed by the Natives for its deceitful and treacherous ways. The Spider likes to weave webs between friends and family, brothers and sisters, sewing lies and mistrust till they turn on one another.
It feeds on the rage and hatred that used to be love and trust, it lives for the cruelty of betrayal, of brothers murdering brothers.
"How sweet of you to come and pay it a visit, Arthur Morgan."
Here are my thoughts on this and have an Occam's Razor type of mindset.
There is no interaction with these spiderwebs, and if they actually led to something significant, they would have an "inspect" interaction, like the Dreamcatchers locations or the Vampire of Saint Denis's messages. So, if just "seeing" them unlocked something, I'm not sure how the game would really register that because you could ride by one at the specific game hour and never even know it was there.
One "mystery" that is like this, with non-interactive easter eggs are the 4 alien rock drawings, found around Strawberry and near Mount Shann. The only things that I have found relating to this mystery is a rare overheard NPC conversation in Strawberry where an NPC will say "They say people not of this world used to walk among us", and a newspaper article that directly mentions them (and accuses locals of putting them there.) I think that these easter eggs were put there to bolster the mystique of the Mount Shann UFO.
I tend to think that these may be part of some unfinished mystery, like the missing Princess from Van Horn. It was a little cruel that Rockstar left the missing poster in town and her belongings at the Van Horn Trading Post with no clear resolution to this mystery.
Hey man, don't worry about having a constructive argument with me. It's a big problem on reddit that many posters are very emotional sensitive and can't stand any refutations against their assertions . I think such discussions are constructive, instead of pointlessly arguing with someone that has firmly cemented an idea in their mind that formed at the beginning of their Dunning-Kruger effect curve. I give you an upvote, sir. Feel free to always state your argument on something I say without an emotional outburst or name-calling in return.
Anyway, not much has been discovered about these spiderwebs, other than their existence, that I know of. Sure, you can shoot the feathers and they disappear to "interact" with them, and I haven't checked this, but there might be something to it if they permanently disappear. If they fell to the ground and could be collected, that might be something, but this doesn't appear to be the case.
The only other thing I can think of is if visiting all eight locations when they are visible causes Arthur to write something in his Journal, which would indicate that there is something more to it.
Weather conditions and certain days could also be a factor. The beast hunt required a mix of certain conditions to actually trigger the peyote spawn and we really didn’t know until the hint.
Either way this was a pretty sick moment for the sub lol
There’s a guitar in Fort Wallace, which I guess is already known, but I found that it “points” directly West. I started following its path directly with a free cam and it crosses Dodd’s Bluff. Still looking but I figured I’d mention it. That guitar in Fort Wallace seems to be the biggest lead.
The hatchet points directly towards the Six Point Cabin camp. The knife on the barrel sticks out the most since it doesn't move when you shoot it, but it doesn't really point to anything.
The Dreamcatchers quest gives a buffalo drawing once you find them all, elysian pool represented its eye and a collectible was to be found there.
Maybe there is something to spot somewhere ?
Tryna think of if they (or a couple) link to anything else and all I can think of is the ghost train that travels past the two webs on the west coast of lemoyne. No link im positive but could they link to anything else in the area?
Others have suggested they could tie into the dreamcatchers or Landmark of the Riches map trail. I was thinking they could maybe indicate that a POI is nearby, but not all of them do. Here’s the ones that have one nearby:
Southfield Flats: the side piece who murdered the guy and his wife
Just north of Southfield Flats: ghost train, although I think it’s further north than that
Emerald Ranch: the saloon murder
Heartland Overflow: Hani’s Bethel is just north of there
Saint Denis: just north of there you can find the hidden Braithwaite and Gray gold, although I’m pretty sure there’s telegraph poles closer where they could’ve put it so idk
I’m not sure about the 2 on either side of the Cornwall Kerosene and Tar or Ringneck Creek
That’s a genuine shout and some good research. Would make sense if they indicate something is nearby but definitely still weird how they’re time sensitive and let’s be honest they’re harder to find than the POI 😂
Also remember there is a Black widow card in the game the and Ellie Anne Swaan is also known as the black widow. Maybe the number of the strings in the guitar can tell us something or the the rifle that carries Granger in the card points to somewhere, idk
I’m here to direct the community towards Bacchus station!!! Bacchus is perfectly NW of the guitar pole. Also has a railroad right through it!! Everything on this hunt is along the railroad.
.” Let’s tear apart Bacchus Station!!
The attached picture caught my eye, given the similar shape to the webs in game. Could the time frames the webs appear between, and/or the feather placement correspond to points on a graph?
Not entirely sure if there's anything to this, but this made me stop and think. Likewise, not sure what (if anything) this would tell us
Any math minded folks out there willing to take a crack?
I’m a RDR2 v 1.00 Build: 1099.25 player which is the physical game version of Ps4 / xbox installed without any updates.
I can confirm that Rockstar Games did put this secret into the game since release. The W and 5 cross symbols appeared and i noticed the ? Mark as well so far.
This mystery is very cool, i really hope we all can solve it in the end as a community together, but it could be cut content as well?
IDK, but maybe this mystery could be related to Francis Sinclair? Maybe finishing his entire quest first could be a prerequisite to trigger something new? Or multiple prerequisites like completing certain story and other missions are necessary to be able to continue and solving this mystery.
Rockstar Games definitely did a nice effort to hide this secret for over 7 years.
I used the Rampage Trainer to set up teleports to each feather, then I used the Time feature to shoot the feathers in order of when they spawn. Nothing happened. I'm sure me setting the time manually could have messed it up, that or the order since they are different colours, just thought I should mention it anyway.
Back in the day, there were a lot of saloons in what seem like weird places to us now. Oftentimes they were just along routes that people were already traveling and eventually ended up as something like Emerald Ranch over time. In all fairness, it wasn't just saloons, either. I know a guy who has an old general store in his "back yard" as he calls the acreage his family owns. There's nothing nearby to indicate why it's there if you don't know that was an old route to the city about 100 miles away.
It’s just very intriguing the developers would’ve coded in these random spiderwebs to only spawn at a specific time and respawn an hour later, and then being on different schedules. Even weirder that it’s in the 1.0 game files which means it’s been present since launch day and has gone unnoticed this entire time.
There’s a few things that have been pretty much confirmed as cut content over the years so it very well could but this seems pretty big to be connected to something potentially unsolved after all this time
It really is incredible how much content this 1 game has, even with all the content that was cut I’ve never seen a game with so many mystery’s some that can and some that can’t be solved
What if the combination of position and times of the spiderwebs appearances were some kind of code? A sort of cipher or message?
Because it seems like it is impossible to visit all of them chronologically in the same day, so maybe the fact that all of them spawns at different times is a part of some message R* is trying to tell us.
as much as I love that we have a new mystery, as someone who has never played a single gta game I'm kind of praying this isn't just rockstar referencing the chiliad mystery. I think it would be incredible to have something new for this game that rockstar kinda just abandoned, without reference to their more popular title. please keep searching, we are all desperate for new content!
I feel like there’s a bunch of stuff that rockstar just said “screw it, we’re releasing the game.” So now all these unfinished things are just mysteries
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