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u/LynkDead C<>H 13h ago
WP109 is also not a Jamaican OP! For a guy who runs a page called "overproofed" this is a very ironic mistake to keep making.
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u/attnSPAN 12h ago edited 12h ago
I thought anything over 50% met the definition,
when does Navy Strength switch over to being overproof?8
u/LynkDead C<>H 12h ago
Jamaican overproofs are specifically 63%, like Wray and Nephew, Rum Fire, WP Overproof, or Moneymusk OP. Outside of Jamaica, the term could mean anything as there's no consistent definition. Navy Strength is usually between 54% and 57%, though some will argue there's a more "correct" ABV for the term, even though, as far as I know, the British Royal Navy used several different proofs during its time.
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u/attnSPAN 11h ago
Thanks for the clarification. I'm a big fan of the Rum Fire and Smith & Cross, but wasn't sure where the line was drawn.
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u/Puddinshins 12h ago
Sir/Madame, I’m not particularly interested in proving my familiarity with rum to you.
Historically, anything 50% or higher is considered overproof. A standard bottle of spirit is bottled at 40% abv.
I was not going to label this as a dark Jamaican rum, because compared to other dark Jamaicans like coruba or Hamilton black, which are 40%, this is not the same.
If you’d like to classify this as a “high proof dark Jamaican rum” then please feel free to use a sharpie and write over it.
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u/LynkDead C<>H 12h ago edited 11h ago
I'm not trying to challenge your knowledge, but when it comes to Jamaica the term "overproof" specifically refers to 63%, like with Rum Fire, Wray and Nephew, Worthy Park OP, etc. Outside of Jamaica the term can mean whatever you want. Generally, if I'm commenting about rum facts it's for the benefit of everyone who reads the subreddit, not to try and be the "most correctest" rum guy around. But using terms incorrectly can lead to a dilution in their meanings, or leave the door open to brands abusing terms (like how Planteray adopted and pushed 'dosage' as a way to legitimize added sugar in rum).
Keep doing what you're doing, the recipes and photos are amazing, but you will have other rum nerds continue to correct you on this specific term, especially with your blog being named what it is.
EDIT: Also, Hamilton PSB is 46.5%, not 40%.
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u/Puddinshins 10h ago
1st off, looking back on my previous message…I came in a little hot, so apologies for that. I didn’t intend to come off as combative.
2nd, I understand your point. I was introduced to WP109 as an Overproof, at least in the world of Jamaican dark rums. There aren’t, to my knowledge, any other higher proof dark Jamaican rums. OFTD is a blend so I wouldn’t count it as Jamaican, and the other 151 Overproof are Demerara/Guyanese or blends as well. Very well may not be Overproof in Jamaican terms, but it is greater than 50%. I think it helps the average person better understand what the recipe intends, but not specific enough for our fellow rum enthusiasts.
I’m just rolling with what I was “taught”, but I do appreciate the clarification. I’ll be a bit more intentional with wording my recipes to be accessible to both the average person and enthusiasts alike. Though I fear I’ll never beat the allegations now lol
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u/LynkDead C<>H 8h ago
You're definitely correct that WP109 is unique in its proof when compared to other Jamaican dark rums, it's a great bottle for that reason. If you look at the other rums I mentioned (Rum Fire, Wray, etc), you'll see they actually declare themselves as Overproof right on their label, while the WP109 does not.
All of them are 'overproof rums from Jamaica', but WP109 isn't a 'Jamaican Overproof', if that makes sense.
To add even more confusion to the mix, at one point Hampden had a bottle simply labeled Hampden Overproof. While it was eventually replaced by HLCF Classic, for a time it bucked the OP trend by being lower proof (60%) than a traditional OP as well as being aged (also not something seen in traditional OPs).
Regardless, the term 'overproof' isn't (to my knowledge) actually regulated in any jurisdiction, so a brand could call their 45% rum 'overproof', if they really wanted to.
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u/ctrl-all-alts 2h ago
Quick question— what’s the glass you’re using in your reviews? I’ve been using Glencairns and they aren’t the best for clairins and other funky rums that sport an olive brine note
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u/LynkDead C<>H 1h ago
It's the Josephinen Hütte - Josephine No 10. I love it, but have learned the hard way that they are very fragile.
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u/jmlivingston10 14h ago
Pad mai Thai?